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Post by mkoasis on Feb 26, 2016 1:36:05 GMT -5
tho noel has carried this tradition on? he has 30? HFB songs to choose he still chooses #HeritageAct My gripe is that Noel turned them into a heritage act in 2000 - Liam wasn't even out his 20s by then. Gas Panic should have been a staple in the set list for years but never made it beyond the Standing tour, and then things like the final tour and refusing to even try out the better songs from DOYS was pathetic. The saddest thing is that it shouldn't have happened this way, and it didn't have to happen this way. It's almost like he gave up so early on and decided he'd live off the success of DM and MG.
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Post by noelygthelegend on Feb 26, 2016 3:02:14 GMT -5
for christ sake would it be too much for him to play dont go away d'you know what i mean, dont go away, gas panic and roll it over or maybe go let it out every night. as sotsog is actually my second favourite oasis album it really pisses me off when he dismisses it and who would write dont go away and dykwim and not play it Do be fair he played DGA on his acoustic tour But the lack of DYKWIM is a fucking crime still should have been used much more. ye he most of known fans loved it
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Post by beentherenow on Feb 26, 2016 4:26:54 GMT -5
I think SOTSOG was the last album Oasis were deemed a 'proper' band and not a heritage band,
People were still mega excited for that album and I think it showed a natural progression from their early albums. It showed promise of what Oasis MK2 was going to be. It was when they started striving for their older sound that they started to sound dated and irrelevant in the modern music scene.
Even if you take the SOTSOG tour, despite the off-stage problems, they were pushing themselves. The Tomorrow Never Knows/Cigs and Alc/Whole Lotta Love jamming was great and wasn't just 5 guys going through the motions. As was the 8 minute Gas Panic! which is still one of my all time favourite Oasis moments.
After this period it was all about the tours and playing it safe. Zero improvisation on stage, going through the motions playing the hits to the masses. A Rolling Stones for the 00's
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Post by draper on Feb 26, 2016 4:43:39 GMT -5
Part of it is Noel being conservative. I remember him saying in interviews he wanted to keep the setlist the same every gig because he wanted to give all the fans the same show. He didn't like it himself when he went to a gig of say like the smiths, and then read in the papers they played his fav song on another night.
Another part is Liams voice... dyou know what I mean and Some Might say were played in 2002 but in a lower key. My big mouth was played in 2009, lower key as well. Stop crying your heart out, they stopped playing it in 2005 when Liam struggled to sing it. They kept on playing stuff from DBTT on the last tour though.
But I agree, it's a shame they didn't keep Gas Panic & Go Let It Out in the setlist on the last tours. A few more Be Here Now tunes would have been nice as well, but as we all know, Noel dislikes that album.
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Post by bestwick8 on Feb 26, 2016 5:54:08 GMT -5
Why was bag it up and the turning never performed live? Those would've been awesome to open up a concert with.
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Post by beentherenow on Feb 26, 2016 5:56:28 GMT -5
I've heard some Noel Gallagher drivel before but that 'wanting to give the fans the same show' is the strangest rephrasing of 'I can't be arsed to play any different songs' I've ever heard.
I went to see NIN a few years back, I went to Manchester and Nottingham and got two almost completely different shows on the same tour, it was awesome!
Also it tends to be swings and roundabouts even if you only go to one show. In 2008 I went to see Radiohead. They played Fake Plastic Trees on my date but at another date that was changed for Street Spirit. Both classic songs. Did it ruin my experience? No! It enhanced it because I didn't know what song was coming up next. Imagine if one date Oasis played DYKWIM and the next it was Gas Panic and the next Some Might Say! Would fans moan? It's a damn sight better than Meaning of Soul for the 100th time
With Oasis it was the same setlist for 18 months
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2016 7:07:28 GMT -5
Part of it is Noel being conservative. I remember him saying in interviews he wanted to keep the setlist the same every gig because he wanted to give all the fans the same show. He didn't like it himself when he went to a gig of say like the smiths, and then read in the papers they played his fav song on another night. Another part is Liams voice... dyou know what I mean and Some Might say were played in 2002 but in a lower key. My big mouth was played in 2009, lower key as well. Stop crying your heart out, they stopped playing it in 2005 when Liam struggled to sing it. They kept on playing stuff from DBTT on the last tour though. But I agree, it's a shame they didn't keep Gas Panic & Go Let It Out in the setlist on the last tours. A few more Be Here Now tunes would have been nice as well, but as we all know, Noel dislikes that album. There is nothing wrong with playing songs in a lower key. My Big Mouth was really good on their last tour. DYKWIM was played with capo on 1 instead of 2 and Some Might Say with capo on 4 instead of no capo.
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Post by draper on Feb 26, 2016 7:14:24 GMT -5
I agree, loved that 'my big mouth' version. Just saying, probably a reason why some songs were never played again.
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Post by carlober on Feb 26, 2016 7:54:14 GMT -5
They played Mucky Fingers more times than D'You Know What I Mean (112 vs 88).
Ugh.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2016 8:56:37 GMT -5
They played Mucky Fingers more times than D'You Know What I Mean (112 vs 88). Ugh. Even worse: They played The Meaning of Soul 209 times, so more than Some Might Say, The Masterplan, Columbia or Whatever. Unbelievable...
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Post by carlober on Feb 26, 2016 8:59:30 GMT -5
They played Mucky Fingers more times than D'You Know What I Mean (112 vs 88). Ugh. Even worse: They played The Meaning of Soul 209 times, so more than Some Might Say, The Masterplan, Columbia or Whatever. Unbelievable... Fuckin' hell!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2016 11:18:49 GMT -5
To read this thread one might not know they are on a forum dedicated to the love of Oasis.
My two cents... they quite taking risks live because Liam quit caring enough to sing worth half a crap most times. Post 2000, the idea quickly became "find what Liam can sort of sing from this record and we'll cut the rest."
As much as I'd like to blame Noel entirely for the lack of variety to the set lists it's not all on him. Average fans who fill stadiums want the hits. Only the die-hards (everyone here) cares about diversity in a set list.
For my money, I'm not all that bothered by the set lists. Oasis rarely passed thru my neck of the woods, so I was always willing to take whatever they could give me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2016 11:24:22 GMT -5
They played Mucky Fingers more times than D'You Know What I Mean (112 vs 88). Ugh. To be fair, if you calculate it by running time DYKWIM got more time dedicated to it than MF. DYKWIM = 600+ minutes MF ~ 450 minutes That's at least 2.5 hours more air time!
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Post by andrewmattcoles on Feb 26, 2016 14:12:34 GMT -5
To read this thread one might not know they are on a forum dedicated to the love of Oasis. My two cents... they quite taking risks live because Liam quit caring enough to sing worth half a crap most times. Post 2000, the idea quickly became "find what Liam can sort of sing from this record and we'll cut the rest." As much as I'd like to blame Noel entirely for the lack of variety to the set lists it's not all on him. Average fans who fill stadiums want the hits. Only the die-hards (everyone here) cares about diversity in a set list. For my money, I'm not all that bothered by the set lists. Oasis rarely passed thru my neck of the woods, so I was always willing to take whatever they could give me. But I don't buy that completely. There are enough "hits" that they could have varied at least say 3 songs regularly. I don't/didn't expect a new setlist each gig, but at least cycle a few. Even if it was a Noel sung song.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 26, 2016 14:20:26 GMT -5
Part of it is Noel being conservative. I remember him saying in interviews he wanted to keep the setlist the same every gig because he wanted to give all the fans the same show. He didn't like it himself when he went to a gig of say like the smiths, and then read in the papers they played his fav song on another night. Another part is Liams voice... dyou know what I mean and Some Might say were played in 2002 but in a lower key. My big mouth was played in 2009, lower key as well. Stop crying your heart out, they stopped playing it in 2005 when Liam struggled to sing it. They kept on playing stuff from DBTT on the last tour though. But I agree, it's a shame they didn't keep Gas Panic & Go Let It Out in the setlist on the last tours. A few more Be Here Now tunes would have been nice as well, but as we all know, Noel dislikes that album. There is nothing wrong with playing songs in a lower key. My Big Mouth was really good on their last tour. DYKWIM was played with capo on 1 instead of 2 and Some Might Say with capo on 4 instead of no capo. There is if it sounds like shit, or if the singer still can't sing it, which was the case with Some Might Say.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 26, 2016 14:23:00 GMT -5
tho noel has carried this tradition on? he has 30? HFB songs to choose he still chooses #HeritageAct My gripe is that Noel turned them into a heritage act in 2000 - Liam wasn't even out his 20s by then. Gas Panic should have been a staple in the set list for years but never made it beyond the Standing tour, and then things like the final tour and refusing to even try out the better songs from DOYS was pathetic. What's even more frustrating is that there's evidence of them soundchecking Gas Panic! during the DOYS tour and it sounds great! Would perfectly have fitted between other DOYS songs and I'm sure Liam would have been able to bark that one out. They also soundchecked The Turning, which sounded good too. Not sure if Liam would gave been able to sing that one live.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 26, 2016 14:25:57 GMT -5
Why did they play D'You Know What I Mean? only once on the SOTSOG tour? I dont know if it was THE reason but Liam was struggling with the bridge during that one performance (and during the later parts of the BHN tour), so maybe it was a some might say situation again. It sounded very slow. And not in a good way, but this renewed version of DYKWIM sounded a bit tired, as if it was lacking something. There's nothing wrong with changing a song around a bit, but there is when it ruins the song or when the singer (still) can't sing it, like I just said.
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Feb 26, 2016 15:24:11 GMT -5
im still gutted noel dropped sunday morning call and where did it all go wrong when i saw them on the uk leg of the sotsog tour
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Feb 26, 2016 15:25:34 GMT -5
fuck me 16 years down the line and still gutted,,i need to get a grip inside
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2016 15:50:18 GMT -5
I dont know if it was THE reason but Liam was struggling with the bridge during that one performance (and during the later parts of the BHN tour), so maybe it was a some might say situation again. It sounded very slow. And not in a good way, but this renewed version of DYKWIM sounded a bit tired, as if it was lacking something. There's nothing wrong with changing a song around a bit, but there is when it ruins the song or when the singer (still) can't sing it, like I just said. I think it was an attempt to bring it in to line with the SOTSOG sound, much like when they started doing electric versions of wonderwall and cast no shadow etc on the BHN tour, just so it feels like part of set, sounds to me like they tried to make DYKWIM more atmospheric by slowing it down etc. either Noel or Liam or both clearly liked the song though because they brought it back in 02 with the key lowered, would be interesting if it was Noel who pushed to have it back in the set considering his opinion on BHN.
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Post by Binary Sunset on Feb 26, 2016 17:16:07 GMT -5
It sounded very slow. And not in a good way, but this renewed version of DYKWIM sounded a bit tired, as if it was lacking something. There's nothing wrong with changing a song around a bit, but there is when it ruins the song or when the singer (still) can't sing it, like I just said. I think it was an attempt to bring it in to line with the SOTSOG sound, much like when they started doing electric versions of wonderwall and cast no shadow etc on the BHN tour, just so it feels like part of set, sounds to me like they tried to make DYKWIM more atmospheric by slowing it down etc. either Noel or Liam or both clearly liked the song though because they brought it back in 02 with the key lowered, would be interesting if it was Noel who pushed to have it back in the set considering his opinion on BHN. Well Noel did say that DYKWIM was supposed to be on Stop the Clocks before deciding it ruined the flow, even though the whole compilation isn't long enough, so he can't hate it THAT much...
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Feb 26, 2016 17:54:47 GMT -5
Even the most die hard SOTSOG fan (and there seem to be many on here) cannot disagree that SCYHO, Little By Little, The Hindu Times and Songbird would go down better at a gig than anything off that album.
It isnt really a surprise. It reads just like im sure Noel's ratings of the albums go.
It's incredibly frustrating that a band with arguably one of the best catalogues of any living band can be so lazy.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Feb 26, 2016 17:58:26 GMT -5
I dont know if it was THE reason but Liam was struggling with the bridge during that one performance (and during the later parts of the BHN tour), so maybe it was a some might say situation again. It sounded very slow. And not in a good way, but this renewed version of DYKWIM sounded a bit tired, as if it was lacking something. There's nothing wrong with changing a song around a bit, but there is when it ruins the song or when the singer (still) can't sing it, like I just said. yawn
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 26, 2016 18:02:14 GMT -5
It sounded very slow. And not in a good way, but this renewed version of DYKWIM sounded a bit tired, as if it was lacking something. There's nothing wrong with changing a song around a bit, but there is when it ruins the song or when the singer (still) can't sing it, like I just said. yawn Aw, are you tired? Maybe you should go to bed and have some sleep then!
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Post by beentherenow on Feb 26, 2016 18:04:22 GMT -5
Even the most die hard SOTSOG fan (and there seem to be many on here) cannot disagree that SCYHO, Little By Little, The Hindu Times and Songbird would go down better at a gig than anything off that album. It isnt really a surprise. It reads just like im sure Noel's ratings of the albums go. It's incredibly frustrating that a band with arguably one of the best catalogues of any living band can be so lazy. I know HC had more obvious stadium singalongs but if I was given the choice between the four you've listed or Go Let It Out, Gas Panic, Where Did It All Go Wrong and Roll It Over, it'd be the latter every time
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