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Post by AllThePlasticPeople on Feb 24, 2016 18:11:05 GMT -5
I think this says it all about Noel's setlists. This is a complete graph, courtesy of setlist.fm of all Oasis songs played at concerts (minus a few improvisations etc.). Oasis played songs from DOYS more than they played songs from BHN, despite BHN being out 11 years longer. Oasis played COVERS more than they played songs from BHN. Oasis played DBTT songs MORE THAN DOUBLE the amount they played SOTSOG songs. This really puts into perspective how much Noel disliked those two albums. Even Heathen Chemistry got double the playtime live than SOTSOG did. Think about some of the songs on BHN (and in some cases, even SOTSOG) which had the potential to be classics live and how they just weren't used because of Noels' stubborn attitude. A true shame.
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Post by Aman on Feb 24, 2016 18:16:11 GMT -5
Jesus, when it's seen like that...how depressing. (In regards to BHN)
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Post by AllThePlasticPeople on Feb 24, 2016 18:18:03 GMT -5
Jesus, when it's seen like that...how depressing. (In regards to BHN) Exactly my thoughts. Everyone knows how much Noel disliked BHN and SOTSOG and excluded them from setlists but when you see it graphed like this you really do see HOW bad it was.
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Feb 24, 2016 18:19:10 GMT -5
Well, they played, in that order: 1. The obviously good songs (DM, MG, Masterplan) 2. The songs people want to hear/the big hits (which explains DBTT and HC with their singles) 3. What Noel felt like.
1 and 2 are completely understandable imo. 3 is the problem - BHN and SOTSOG deserved much better. Noel's disdain for BHN is a huge shame.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2016 18:21:49 GMT -5
Why did they play D'You Know What I Mean? only once on the SOTSOG tour? And where did Where Did It All Go Wrong? go?
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Post by AllThePlasticPeople on Feb 24, 2016 18:23:17 GMT -5
Just for people's interest, here is a breakdown of the other sections on the Graph
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Post by Noel's Nose on Feb 24, 2016 18:59:01 GMT -5
Just for people's interest, here is a breakdown of the other sections on the Graph Just Getting Older was played live?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2016 19:39:52 GMT -5
Just for people's interest, here is a breakdown of the other sections on the Graph Just Getting Older was played live? Cardiff International Arena 2002. Unfortunately there is no bootleg from the show.
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Post by The Boy Without the Blues on Feb 24, 2016 19:40:53 GMT -5
Just for people's interest, here is a breakdown of the other sections on the Graph Just Getting Older was played live? I remember Noel played acoustically (just he with his acoustic guitar) on a gig that was Gem's birthday during the HC tour, but no record from it surfaced (as far as I know)
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Post by The Boy Without the Blues on Feb 24, 2016 19:45:47 GMT -5
It's indeed very very sad, the lack of love BHN has... DYKWIM will always remain one of my favorite and most powerfull Oasis' tunes and DGA it's an absolute classic, such a beautiful song, wheter electric or acoustic... Oh I and loved My Big Mouth on the DOYS tour...
I'm curious how Masterplan could be behind DBTT.... those songs were heavilly present during all tours, especially the MG tour, which was roughly 1/4 of the set...
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Post by Flatulence Panic on Feb 24, 2016 20:27:16 GMT -5
Noels a nob.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 24, 2016 20:58:05 GMT -5
I think Noel bases it more off of the context of the times with regards to his emotional mindset.
For example, BHN was perhaps Oasis at their most druggiest - which will produce very regrettable and even traumatic memories when one is removed from the drugs and is sober.
The same can be said about SOTSOG where Noel credits it as his worst time in the band and in his personal life, too. (Not to mention there's less quality to choose from on SOTSOG).
So does Noel really despise BHN or does he hate the associations that he has with that time period? I reckon it's more so the latter. And that, kids, is a bad advert for drug abuse.
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Post by kennerado on Feb 25, 2016 8:22:02 GMT -5
I think Noel basis it more off of the context of the times with regards to his emotional mindset. For example, BHN was perhaps Oasis at their most druggiest - which will produce very regrettable and even traumatic memories when one is removed from the drugs and is sober. The same can be said about SOTSOG where Noel credits it as his worst time in the band and in his personal life, too. (Not to mention there's less quality to choose from on SOTSOG). So does Noel really despise BHN or does he hate the associations that he has with that time period? I reckon it's more so the latter. And that, kids, is a bad advert for drug abuse. I tend to agree and it's a shame if that's the case. Btw Noel was a much better guitar player during the BHN era than he is now. The stuff he did on that tour was phenomenal. Also Noel has always seemed pretty lazy when it comes to setlist variation.
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Post by beentherenow on Feb 25, 2016 9:51:31 GMT -5
Yeah it's pretty well documented just how conservative Noel is/was with his setlists,
Not only does he keep the same setlist through entire tours, you can almost write is yourself before the tour's begun!
It is usually what he believed to be 'the greatest hits' plus 6/7 off the latest album and that's it. No curveballs, no unaired gems from the extensive back catalogue.
If Oasis reformed there is a strong chance the setlist would very closely resemble the below in some order (I'd be astonished if I got more than 3 wrong),
Fuckin in the Bushes Rock 'n' Roll Star Lyla Morning Glory Supersonic The Shock of The Lightning Acquiesce The Importance of Being Idol Songbird Roll With It Cigarettes and Alcohol Live Forever Little By Little Wonderwall Cigarettes and Alcohol Champagne Supernova
The Masterplan Don't Look Back in Anger I am the Walrus
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Post by mystoryisgory on Feb 25, 2016 15:46:41 GMT -5
Fuckin in the Bushes It's Good To Be Free (acoustic) Rock 'n' Roll Star Lyla Morning Glory Supersonic The Shock of The Lightning Acquiesce The Importance of Being Idol Songbird Roll With It Cigarettes and Alcohol Live Forever Little By Little Wonderwall Cigarettes and Alcohol Champagne Supernova The Masterplan Don't Look Back in Anger I am the Walrus Fixed.
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Post by andrewmattcoles on Feb 25, 2016 15:55:23 GMT -5
Fuckin in the Bushes It's Good To Be Free (acoustic) Rock 'n' Roll Star Lyla Morning Glory Supersonic The Shock of The Lightning Acquiesce The Importance of Being Idol Songbird Roll With It Cigarettes and Alcohol Live Forever Little By Little Wonderwall Cigarettes and Alcohol Champagne Supernova The Masterplan Don't Look Back in Anger I am the Walrus Fixed. That f'ing strumming intro and then you just know you are getting that once beautiful song, but now a hideous monster
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2016 16:06:25 GMT -5
Why did they play D'You Know What I Mean? only once on the SOTSOG tour? I dont know if it was THE reason but Liam was struggling with the bridge during that one performance (and during the later parts of the BHN tour), so maybe it was a some might say situation again.
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Post by noelygthelegend on Feb 25, 2016 16:11:33 GMT -5
for christ sake would it be too much for him to play dont go away d'you know what i mean, dont go away, gas panic and roll it over or maybe go let it out every night. as sotsog is actually my second favourite oasis album it really pisses me off when he dismisses it and who would write dont go away and dykwim and not play it
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Post by andrewmattcoles on Feb 25, 2016 16:16:05 GMT -5
for christ sake would it be too much for him to play dont go away d'you know what i mean, dont go away, gas panic and roll it over or maybe go let it out every night. as sotsog is actually my second favourite oasis album it really pisses me off when he dismisses it and who would write dont go away and dykwim and not play it Do be fair he played DGA on his acoustic tour But the lack of DYKWIM is a fucking crime
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Post by matt on Feb 25, 2016 16:48:56 GMT -5
#HeritageAct
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Post by jaq515 on Feb 25, 2016 17:09:47 GMT -5
tho noel has carried this tradition on? he has 30? HFB songs to choose he still chooses #HeritageAct
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2016 17:40:54 GMT -5
Anyone got numbers on how many gigs were played by album cycle? Because it would seem to me that Oasis' later tours covered a lot more cities than they did in the 90's.
If true, this would help explain why BHN was played so much less when compared to DBTT or DOYS.
*EDIT* I went ahead and looked it up myself. Sure enough... number of gigs per tour: DBTT (121), DOYS (125), BHN (97)
Additionally, setlist.fm can only report on gigs that people add to the site, so there are a fair amount of gigs that go unreported as a result which can skew the numbers as well.
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Post by jaq515 on Feb 25, 2016 17:56:12 GMT -5
Anyone got numbers on how many gigs were played by album cycle? Because it would seem to me that Oasis' later tours covered a lot more cities than they did in the 90's. If true, this would help explain why BHN was played so much less when compared to DBTT or DOYS. *EDIT* I went ahead and looked it up myself. Sure enough... number of gigs per tour: DBTT (121), DOYS (125), BHN (97) Additionally, setlist.fm can only report on gigs that people add to the site, so there are a fair amount of gigs that go unreported as a result which can skew the numbers as well. while true it also means they had 12 years to play BHN, 4 years to play DBTT and 2 years to play DOYS songs pre split so as such falls to to point that BHN those songs were dropped vs potential gigs done / opportunity to play them also as we know the gigs not reported have a very very high chance of being identical to the ones that were via static setlist tho im not sure what point is trying to be made
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Post by matt on Feb 25, 2016 19:18:28 GMT -5
tho noel has carried this tradition on? he has 30? HFB songs to choose he still chooses #HeritageAct My gripe is that Noel turned them into a heritage act in 2000 - Liam wasn't even out his 20s by then. Gas Panic should have been a staple in the set list for years but never made it beyond the Standing tour, and then things like the final tour and refusing to even try out the better songs from DOYS was pathetic.
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Post by Flatulence Panic on Feb 25, 2016 19:38:37 GMT -5
tho noel has carried this tradition on? he has 30? HFB songs to choose he still chooses #HeritageAct My gripe is that Noel turned them into a heritage act in 2000 - Liam wasn't even out his 20s by then. Gas Panic should have been a staple in the set list for years but never made it beyond the Standing tour, and then things like the final tour and refusing to even try out the better songs from DOYS was pathetic. Yes yes yes!
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