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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 5:23:25 GMT -5
Arctic Monkeys has got to be one of the most overrated bands of british rock history, imo. I will never understand the critical acclaim some of their albums got.
Don't get me wrong, I can understand why some people like them (even though I do dislike them), but the critical special favour they get, bothers me a bit. Sure, the first album was important for the kids in Britain. But now, looking back on it or hearing it for the first time nowadays, does it have a great song on it ?
Actually, I do think Taylor is a decent lyricist. But melodically speaking, he is bang average at best. And when I read that he is "one of the best british songwriters since Lennon / McCartney " (??!!), it just blows my mind.
The same remarks can be said about The Libertines.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 6:45:16 GMT -5
Pure bliss.
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Jan 8, 2017 8:20:11 GMT -5
Arctic Monkeys has got to be one of the most overrated bands of british rock history, imo. I will never understand the critical acclaim some of their albums got. Don't get me wrong, I can understand why some people like them (even though I do dislike them), but the critical special favour they get, bothers me a bit. Sure, the first album was important for the kids in Britain. But now, looking back on it or hearing it for the first time nowadays, does it have a great song on it ? Actually, I do think Taylor is a decent lyricist. But melodically speaking, he is bang average at best. And when I read that he is "one of the best british songwriters since Lennon / McCartney " (??!!), it just blows my mind. The same remarks can be said about The Libertines. I'd say undoubtedly. Several in fact, with the opening track being the one I like most. 'I Bet You Look Good on the Dancefloor' was a huge hit. Melody is just one element. The Libertines though... Yeah. Hugely overrated. |
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Post by carlober on Jan 8, 2017 9:02:21 GMT -5
New single by Amy Macdonald, 'Dream On'.
Very poppy but with a strong melody which gets stuck in your head! And it's nice to find a well-crafted, uplifting pop song in these dark times. Nice work, Amy!
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Jan 8, 2017 10:53:29 GMT -5
Arctic Monkeys has got to be one of the most overrated bands of british rock history, imo. I will never understand the critical acclaim some of their albums got. Don't get me wrong, I can understand why some people like them (even though I do dislike them), but the critical special favour they get, bothers me a bit. Sure, the first album was important for the kids in Britain. But now, looking back on it or hearing it for the first time nowadays, does it have a great song on it ? Actually, I do think Taylor is a decent lyricist. But melodically speaking, he is bang average at best. And when I read that he is "one of the best british songwriters since Lennon / McCartney " (??!!), it just blows my mind. The same remarks can be said about The Libertines. Ah, the never ending AM/Libertines debate. I'd agree that AM are overrated, except for the debut maybe, but no matter how impartial I try to be, I can't understand how you could call the Libertines average. Even if you don't like them, what they did in the space of two albums is pretty much unrivaled in the 21st century. They had a distinctive style, their own sound, clearly went past their own inspirations and actually managed to build an identity - something a lot of those 21st century "The-" bands seem to be missing. So many modern bands are easy to like but hard to love - the Libertines are easy to love and easy to hate. It's also hard to understand for me how people hate Pete Doherty because of his looks and his history with drugs. Because we all know you should judge musicians based on substance abuse, not musical ability? Because obviously bands like Oasis never even went near those substances? |
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Jan 8, 2017 13:15:04 GMT -5
Another year, another legend gone. RIP Dave Franklin:
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 8, 2017 17:01:02 GMT -5
The Libertines bore me. Don't really get the fuss either. They weren't really popular here though, so they never bothered me.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Jan 8, 2017 18:18:33 GMT -5
The Libertines bore me. Don't really get the fuss either. They weren't really popular here though, so they never bothered me. The Libertines won the 2001 Live4ever Best New Band in the Last Fifty Years Award.... Thanks. |
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Post by carlober on Jan 9, 2017 7:58:34 GMT -5
I've just bumped into these girls while randomly browsing YouTube. I like what I'm hearing!  |
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Post by matt on Jan 9, 2017 15:15:40 GMT -5
Arctic Monkeys has got to be one of the most overrated bands of british rock history, imo. I will never understand the critical acclaim some of their albums got. Don't get me wrong, I can understand why some people like them (even though I do dislike them), but the critical special favour they get, bothers me a bit. Sure, the first album was important for the kids in Britain. But now, looking back on it or hearing it for the first time nowadays, does it have a great song on it ? Actually, I do think Taylor is a decent lyricist. But melodically speaking, he is bang average at best. And when I read that he is "one of the best british songwriters since Lennon / McCartney " (??!!), it just blows my mind. The same remarks can be said about The Libertines. It's less about the pop elements and songcraft, and more about the creative roots of the band and the Monkeys excel(led) at observing the life of themselves and the communities around them in post industrial Sheffield. It's a very parochial debut album, most strongly identifying with those from post-industrial towns and while its not the most universal music, it does benefit from the acute observations that are made as a result. Over time, with fame and fortune, any attempts at local observation become much broader, less insightful and generally flimsy. Some artists keep their focus on their roots and can still maintain that everyday sensibility with their audience (e.g. Bruce Springsteen who still lives and works in New Jersey) but for those who quit the mundane rainy streets of their hometowns and gallivanted off to the sunshine of Hollywood like Alex Turner, you generally see them take a new direction with their music or desperately attempt to recreate past glories with diminishing returns. Although I like the album AM, it is much more derivative and less original than their debut. And for an act that started off with such a fully formed strong and unique ethos and identity that directly reflected their hometown, then anything that deviates from such is probably going to be seen as a disappointment. Ironically though, Turner - clad in his leather with his mid-atlantic accent - has turned into the kids he mocked on Fake Tales of San Francisco. |
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Post by lahaine on Jan 12, 2017 12:42:57 GMT -5
Arctic Monkeys has got to be one of the most overrated bands of british rock history, imo. I will never understand the critical acclaim some of their albums got. Don't get me wrong, I can understand why some people like them (even though I do dislike them), but the critical special favour they get, bothers me a bit. Sure, the first album was important for the kids in Britain. But now, looking back on it or hearing it for the first time nowadays, does it have a great song on it ? Actually, I do think Taylor is a decent lyricist. But melodically speaking, he is bang average at best. And when I read that he is "one of the best british songwriters since Lennon / McCartney " (??!!), it just blows my mind. The same remarks can be said about The Libertines. Woah that just hurt me reading that. You won't be going down as one of my favs on here Lubeck lol. I can name you a few great songs from their debut, A Certain Romance, I Bet you look Good on The dancefloor, Fake Tales of San Franisco, Dancing Shoes, Riot Van, When the Sun Goes Down, Mardy Bum. To say there isn't a great song on it is silly to be honest and not to get his name right even more shocking. Best debut album since Definitely Maybe imo. But I think it's their weakest album that's how good Turner and Co are. To stay as big as they are while others around them faded around them shows they've got talent, to go off and do side projects that are successful too shows that Turner knows his way around a tune and lyric. Turner's a genius, Helders a awesome drummer and they are the best british band since Oasis. |
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Jan 12, 2017 14:04:17 GMT -5
If Max Cavelra is so great, why hasn't he gone back to Sepultura? Christ, Green's found his rythm now with Machine Messiah, which I'm listening to now.
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Post by arthurmorgan on Jan 13, 2017 9:39:04 GMT -5
The Hives are wack
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Post by arthurmorgan on Jan 13, 2017 9:44:10 GMT -5
The White Stripes are awesome though
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Post by Headmaster on Jan 13, 2017 11:51:06 GMT -5
If Max Cavelra is so great, why hasn't he gone back to Sepultura? Christ, Green's found his rythm now with Machine Messiah, which I'm listening to now. Max left Sepultura in first place, there still bad blood with Andreas Kisser who carried on with Sepultura, he won't allow Max in the band after 20 years just because Max wants to. Sepultura is a great heavy metal band, surprisingly they are from Brazil, they became one of the greatest heavy metal bands in the 90's, a time where both Metallica and Megadeath turned into a pile of crap, in the 90's there was news of them outselling Oasis in some parts of Europe. |
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Post by carlober on Jan 13, 2017 16:44:14 GMT -5
I've always loved this song, and its video was pretty cool too.
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Jan 13, 2017 18:52:36 GMT -5
If Max Cavelra is so great, why hasn't he gone back to Sepultura? Christ, Green's found his rythm now with Machine Messiah, which I'm listening to now. Max left Sepultura in first place, there still bad blood with Andreas Kisser who carried on with Sepultura, he won't allow Max in the band after 20 years just because Max wants to. Sepultura is a great heavy metal band, surprisingly they are from Brazil, they became one of the greatest heavy metal bands in the 90's, a time where both Metallica and Megadeath turned into a pile of crap, in the 90's there was news of them outselling Oasis in some parts of Europe. My thoughts exactly. New album is great, though Kisser's guitar wanking he did their last record is getting on my nerves again. |
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Post by funhouse on Jan 13, 2017 19:05:41 GMT -5
I've always loved this song, and its video was pretty cool too. The entire album which this track features on (Jar of Flies) is great. And Layne Staley, what a voice! |
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Jan 14, 2017 3:03:29 GMT -5
Me and that man is the best project from Nergal in a while. Can't share the video (nudity, sexual undertones and Nergal's bare chest would kill this forum) but google My church is Black.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 19:20:02 GMT -5
Arctic Monkeys has got to be one of the most overrated bands of british rock history, imo. I will never understand the critical acclaim some of their albums got. Don't get me wrong, I can understand why some people like them (even though I do dislike them), but the critical special favour they get, bothers me a bit. Sure, the first album was important for the kids in Britain. But now, looking back on it or hearing it for the first time nowadays, does it have a great song on it ? Actually, I do think Taylor is a decent lyricist. But melodically speaking, he is bang average at best. And when I read that he is "one of the best british songwriters since Lennon / McCartney " (??!!), it just blows my mind. The same remarks can be said about The Libertines. Woah that just hurt me reading that. You won't be going down as one of my favs on here Lubeck lol. I can name you a few great songs from their debut, A Certain Romance, I Bet you look Good on The dancefloor, Fake Tales of San Franisco, Dancing Shoes, Riot Van, When the Sun Goes Down, Mardy Bum. To say there isn't a great song on it is silly to be honest and not to get his name right even more shocking. Best debut album since Definitely Maybe imo. But I think it's their weakest album that's how good Turner and Co are. To stay as big as they are while others around them faded around them shows they've got talent, to go off and do side projects that are successful too shows that Turner knows his way around a tune and lyric. Turner's a genius, Helders a awesome drummer and they are the best british band since Oasis. Don't be hurt, after all, it's just my opinion on the band, yours is different, and it's all fine I do think Turner is a good lyricist. The problem I have with that band is the consensus they get. Even Oasis didn't have that consensus at their peak when they released (What's The Story) Morning Glory? . I mean, reviews were mixed while the album had Wonderwall, Don't Look Back In Anger, Some Might Say, Cast No Shadow, Champagne Supernova on it. And the rest is great aswell. Which band could you see have a song like "She's Electric" being considered as a filler ? Just yesterday, a mate gave me back a CD I lent him: it was "Urban Hymns". I asked him what he thought about it and just told me "except Bittersweet Symphony, it is meh". I asked if he really heard about Sonnet, The Drugs Don't Work, Lucky Man, Space and Time and he said : " these tunes are alright I guess, nothing particularly good". I didn't understand how he could think these tunes are not great. That's the very best of Ashcroft's songwriting . All are great songs (Sonnet and The Drugs Don't Work might be his two finest tunes; gorgeous ballads). The other day, my dad told me The La's "There She Goes" sounded like a boys band song (!!??!) and my mom said "If You're Feeling Sinister" was boring. But at the end, it's all fine if some people don't see the greatness in these tunes. With "Arctic Monkeys", their consensus grate me a bit. Sure, I do think one of the songs you have cited, is quite nice: "A Certain Romance". But the big majority of the time, I just can't listen to one of their tunes more than once or twice as I really don't like their sound, Turner's voice and as the melodies leave me cold. They are not the only ones from the 2000's I feel that way: Franz Ferdinand, The Killers, Klaxons, everything from Miles Kane. I do think The Coral were fucking brilliant though and I do think they are still very good. If I had to choose one best debut album since DM, it would be "Funeral". |
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Jan 14, 2017 20:49:48 GMT -5
USSR: KISS IS VIOLENT
Me: Obviously never heard I was made for loving you then, sexual not violent.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 8:14:15 GMT -5
Just watched "Heaven Adores You", a documentary about Elliott Smith. Quite interesting.
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Jan 16, 2017 10:13:38 GMT -5
EMP have turned Till Lindemann into a cartoon:
FAUER FREI! *blows up house*
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Post by carlober on Jan 16, 2017 16:01:59 GMT -5
This girl will have the recognition she deserves one day. Talented young woman.
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Post by matt on Jan 17, 2017 19:20:26 GMT -5
Fascinating video of Mike Oldfield in the studio.
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