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Post by noelygthelegend on Jan 10, 2016 7:00:52 GMT -5
Why was it so successful compared to other oasis albums? Was it because the albums had in the public's eye got gradually better of because of the kind of american feel to the album?
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Post by carl80 on Jan 10, 2016 7:15:18 GMT -5
How successful was it, did it sell big numbers ?
Funny enough I was listening to it before, bag it up is a great tune to start the album. I'm outta time is Liam's best tune, I think it was a good album to go out on.
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Post by noelygthelegend on Jan 10, 2016 7:23:58 GMT -5
How successful was it, did it sell big numbers ? Funny enough I was listening to it before, bag it up is a great tune to start the album. I'm outta time is Liam's best tune, I think it was a good album to go out on. it says on wiki it sold 53000 in its first week but it ranked at number 5 which is the 3rd highest ranking oasis album. I agree on bag it up and im outta time but im not massively keen on it i think it misses an oasis classic like every other oais album had and the second half has been talked about enough but by no means a write-off and its an unfinished piece of work which makes me wonder what it would have been like had it been finished
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Post by carl80 on Jan 10, 2016 7:36:14 GMT -5
How successful was it, did it sell big numbers ? Funny enough I was listening to it before, bag it up is a great tune to start the album. I'm outta time is Liam's best tune, I think it was a good album to go out on. it says on wiki it sold 53000 in its first week but it ranked at number 5 which is the 3rd highest ranking oasis album. I agree on bag it up and im outta time but im not massively keen on it i think it misses an oasis classic like every other oais album had and the second half has been talked about enough but by no means a write-off and its an unfinished piece of work which makes me wonder what it would have been like had it been finished Yeah good point mate, I much prefer it to heathen chemistry to be honest. It's not as strong as the rest.
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Post by noelygthelegend on Jan 10, 2016 7:43:00 GMT -5
it says on wiki it sold 53000 in its first week but it ranked at number 5 which is the 3rd highest ranking oasis album. I agree on bag it up and im outta time but im not massively keen on it i think it misses an oasis classic like every other oais album had and the second half has been talked about enough but by no means a write-off and its an unfinished piece of work which makes me wonder what it would have been like had it been finished Yeah good point mate, I much prefer it to heathen chemistry to be honest. It's not as strong as the rest. Ye Heathen chemistry was just putting album out for the sake of it which the had no need to do they could have kept back the good stuff like hindu times hung in a bad place little by little stop crying your heart written some better stuff then u end with a really good album but for someone who wrote supersonic live forever and dont look back in anger to write she is love is unacceptable. but imagine an album with LBL SCYHO lyla THT and TIOBI on it
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Post by mkoasis on Jan 10, 2016 14:52:12 GMT -5
I think a lot of it, at least in Canada, was to do with the fact that they toured here (8 gigs across the actual country not just Toronto for once!) one month before the album came out. Raised their profile and as tickets were so cheap (either $39.95 or $49.95 depending on seats, but other venues were closer to 60-70) that people couldn't resist going to hear Wonderwall and Don't Look Back in Anger and got more than they expected.
The Toronto stage invader incident also definitely raised attention to the fact that they still were together and performing.
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Post by carryusall on Jan 10, 2016 15:06:43 GMT -5
How successful was it, did it sell big numbers ? Funny enough I was listening to it before, bag it up is a great tune to start the album. I'm outta time is Liam's best tune, I think it was a good album to go out on. it says on wiki it sold 53000 in its first week but it ranked at number 5 which is the 3rd highest ranking oasis album. I agree on bag it up and im outta time but im not massively keen on it i think it misses an oasis classic like every other oais album had and the second half has been talked about enough but by no means a write-off and its an unfinished piece of work which makes me wonder what it would have been like had it been finished I've said it before, but I still completely agree with all of this. I think it was a question of momentum, DBTT and the accompanying tour made a lot of headway in the US, with the band playing Madison Square Gardens, and I think DOYS benefited from this. Also the mid 00s saw a new wave of Oasis-influenced bands achieve massive commercial success in the UK. Whilst most of these bands didn't go on to replicate this success across the pond, they did at least gain some cult cache amongst US fans of 'underground' indie music, and I think many of these young listeners began looking into these bands influences, such as Oasis. And because the US is so huge, even a relatively cult act can score a top 10 album. Now can we post our alternative DOYS tracklistings please? If only the Doctor wasn't gone, I know they loved those...
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Post by noelygthelegend on Jan 10, 2016 15:35:10 GMT -5
it says on wiki it sold 53000 in its first week but it ranked at number 5 which is the 3rd highest ranking oasis album. I agree on bag it up and im outta time but im not massively keen on it i think it misses an oasis classic like every other oais album had and the second half has been talked about enough but by no means a write-off and its an unfinished piece of work which makes me wonder what it would have been like had it been finished I've said it before, but I still completely agree with all of this. I think it was a question of momentum, DBTT and the accompanying tour made a lot of headway in the US, with the band playing Madison Square Gardens, and I think DOYS benefited from this. Also the mid 00s saw a new wave of Oasis-influenced bands achieve massive commercial success in the UK. Whilst most of these bands didn't go on to replicate this success across the pond, they did at least gain some cult cache amongst US fans of 'underground' indie music, and I think many of these young listeners began looking into these bands influences, such as Oasis. And because the US is so huge, even a relatively cult act can score a top 10 album. Now can we post our alternative DOYS tracklistings please? If only the Doctor wasn't gone, I know they loved those... Ye ti certainly cant be denied DBTT era was great one for the band only topped by 94-97 because brothers were getting on great and the band were having alot of commercial success with the album and its hard to think that the next era would involve an im pretty underwhelming album by their standard, a horrible tour spewed with cancelled shows and arguments among liam's voice being shot and then a break-up. Ive not done one of these DOYS alternate tracklists yet so here we go: 1. Bag It up 2. The Turning 3. Waiting For The Rapture 4. Shock Of The Lightening 5. Im Outta Time 6. Come On Outside 7. Falling Down 8. To Be Where's There's Life 9. I Wanna Live In a dream In My Record Machine 10. Boy With The Blues
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2016 17:36:12 GMT -5
How successful was it, did it sell big numbers ? Funny enough I was listening to it before, bag it up is a great tune to start the album. I'm outta time is Liam's best tune, I think it was a good album to go out on. it says on wiki it sold 53000 in its first week but it ranked at number 5 which is the 3rd highest ranking oasis album. I agree on bag it up and im outta time but im not massively keen on it i think it misses an oasis classic like every other oais album had and the second half has been talked about enough but by no means a write-off and its an unfinished piece of work which makes me wonder what it would have been like had it been finished The Shock of the Lightning?
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Post by mystoryisgory on Jan 10, 2016 17:37:32 GMT -5
Wasn't The Shock of the Lightning popular with alternative radio in the States around the time DOYS was released?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 10, 2016 17:56:31 GMT -5
DOYS wasn't really successful. Sure it charted high but the sales were less than DBTT, HC and SOTSOG both in first week sales and overall. It vanished like a fart in the wind.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 10, 2016 18:05:27 GMT -5
Wasn't The Shock of the Lightning popular with alternative radio in the States around the time DOYS was released? It made #93 in the Billboard Top 100 singles chart (first time for an Oasis song since DLBIA) but that really isn't anything to write home about. It was gone a week later.
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Post by Binary Sunset on Jan 10, 2016 18:32:56 GMT -5
Wish that Toronto incident wouldn't have happened. Noel wasn't the same after that, and the tension increased. Also, weren't they supposed to do a proshot gig in America around that time in NY? I think cancelling the tour hurt them
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Post by Headmaster on Jan 10, 2016 19:43:21 GMT -5
The funny thing is that DBTT and HC were albums full of strong hit singles, but even with this DOYS charted higher than both despite being an album without hit singles.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 10, 2016 20:56:52 GMT -5
The funny thing is that DBTT and HC were albums full of strong hit singles, but even with this DOYS charted higher than both despite being an album without hit singles. In America, the only tune that had a chance of being a "hit" was "Shock of The Lightning" which was the most played Oasis song on radio since 1996. To me charting high don't mean shit if it doesn't result in long term album sales. SOTSOG, HC, DBTT all sold more and charted less. It's all relative.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 10, 2016 21:34:23 GMT -5
Wish that Toronto incident wouldn't have happened. Noel wasn't the same after that, and the tension increased. Also, weren't they supposed to do a proshot gig in America around that time in NY? I think cancelling the tour hurt them How many gigs did they actually have to cancel? Just the one in NYC right? That wasn't gonna make or break them in America.
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Post by Binary Sunset on Jan 10, 2016 22:00:53 GMT -5
Wish that Toronto incident wouldn't have happened. Noel wasn't the same after that, and the tension increased. Also, weren't they supposed to do a proshot gig in America around that time in NY? I think cancelling the tour hurt them How many gigs did they actually have to cancel? Just the one in NYC right? That wasn't gonna make or break them in America. "Due to the injuries Noel sustained in the incident at the Virgin Festival, four concerts were postponed, including the 9 September show in London, Ontario,[5] and the first three shows of the European leg.[6] In addition, the 12 September concert in New York was cancelled" Not saying they were suddenly gonna get to WTSMG? levels or anything, but I think that the Dig Out Your Soul in the Streets campaign had given them some credibility, and momentum, and that was just halted. Plus like I said, I'm pretty sure the Terminal 5 concert was supposed to be one to give them television exposure. For some reason, they didn't do any US television appearances like normal(Letterman/Leno or whatever) If I remember correctly, Noel in his lawsuit against the guy who attacked him, said something to that effect and how he thought it had ruined a lot of the tours momentum.
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Post by Binary Sunset on Jan 10, 2016 22:05:02 GMT -5
Whatever success they had in the US during their whole career was practically despite their best efforts otherwise. Something always went wrong.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 10, 2016 22:16:50 GMT -5
How many gigs did they actually have to cancel? Just the one in NYC right? That wasn't gonna make or break them in America. "Due to the injuries Noel sustained in the incident at the Virgin Festival, four concerts were postponed, including the 9 September show in London, Ontario,[5] and the first three shows of the European leg.[6] In addition, the 12 September concert in New York was cancelled" Not saying they were suddenly gonna get to WTSMG? levels or anything, but I think that the Dig Out Your Soul in the Streets campaign had given them some credibility, and momentum, and that was just halted. Plus like I said, I'm pretty sure the Terminal 5 concert was supposed to be one to give them television exposure. For some reason, they didn't do any US television appearances like normal(Letterman/Leno or whatever) If I remember correctly, Noel in his lawsuit against the guy who attacked him, said something to that effect and how he thought it had ruined a lot of the tours momentum. Terminal 5 altered nothing for US success. It would have been the same regardless. Come to think of it, I don't remember Oasis doing any Leno or Letterman post 2000. Once HC and DBTT rolled around they did very little US television appearances.
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Post by Binary Sunset on Jan 10, 2016 22:45:46 GMT -5
"Due to the injuries Noel sustained in the incident at the Virgin Festival, four concerts were postponed, including the 9 September show in London, Ontario,[5] and the first three shows of the European leg.[6] In addition, the 12 September concert in New York was cancelled" Not saying they were suddenly gonna get to WTSMG? levels or anything, but I think that the Dig Out Your Soul in the Streets campaign had given them some credibility, and momentum, and that was just halted. Plus like I said, I'm pretty sure the Terminal 5 concert was supposed to be one to give them television exposure. For some reason, they didn't do any US television appearances like normal(Letterman/Leno or whatever) If I remember correctly, Noel in his lawsuit against the guy who attacked him, said something to that effect and how he thought it had ruined a lot of the tours momentum. Terminal 5 altered nothing for US success. It would have been the same regardless. Come to think of it, I don't remember Oasis doing any Leno or Letterman post 2000. Once HC and DBTT rolled around they did very little US television appearances. And then both Beady Eye and Noel did Letterman appearances on their next tours. I don't get it.
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Post by noelygthelegend on Jan 11, 2016 11:48:01 GMT -5
it says on wiki it sold 53000 in its first week but it ranked at number 5 which is the 3rd highest ranking oasis album. I agree on bag it up and im outta time but im not massively keen on it i think it misses an oasis classic like every other oais album had and the second half has been talked about enough but by no means a write-off and its an unfinished piece of work which makes me wonder what it would have been like had it been finished The Shock of the Lightning? Good song but no classic
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Post by spaneli on Jan 11, 2016 12:51:19 GMT -5
How many gigs did they actually have to cancel? Just the one in NYC right? That wasn't gonna make or break them in America. "Due to the injuries Noel sustained in the incident at the Virgin Festival, four concerts were postponed, including the 9 September show in London, Ontario,[5] and the first three shows of the European leg.[6] In addition, the 12 September concert in New York was cancelled" Not saying they were suddenly gonna get to WTSMG? levels or anything, but I think that the Dig Out Your Soul in the Streets campaign had given them some credibility, and momentum, and that was just halted. Plus like I said, I'm pretty sure the Terminal 5 concert was supposed to be one to give them television exposure. For some reason, they didn't do any US television appearances like normal(Letterman/Leno or whatever) If I remember correctly, Noel in his lawsuit against the guy who attacked him, said something to that effect and how he thought it had ruined a lot of the tours momentum. I don't think that Terminal 5 gig would have made much of a difference. Maybe they play it, maybe it gets shown on MTV at 5 am or something, then they do Leno and Letterman, but was that going to make or break the album? Probably not. I actually think they got far more promotional mileage from the incident than they ever would have gotten from doing the above. I remember when it happened and going to school the next day, even people who knew nothing about Oasis were talking about it. Maybe the terminal 5 gig means something, along with Leno and Letterman, if they had the attack and were able to do those commitments afterward. That would have created some kind of momentum.
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Post by cloudburster on Jan 11, 2016 13:19:59 GMT -5
It charted at 5 but sold 53,000 - DBTT charter at 12 but sold 65,000 first week. The high placement was solely due to declining album sales at the time. 100,000 could get you a number 1 when 10 years ago you'd be lucky to get into the top 10 with those sales.
I actually think DBTT was their 00s peak in the US. Sold out MSG, Hollywood Bowl and Red Rocks. All pretty prestigious venues. I remember them playing to half empty venues on the DOYS tour
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 11, 2016 13:36:13 GMT -5
I've said it before, but I still completely agree with all of this. I think it was a question of momentum, DBTT and the accompanying tour made a lot of headway in the US, with the band playing Madison Square Gardens, and I think DOYS benefited from this. Also the mid 00s saw a new wave of Oasis-influenced bands achieve massive commercial success in the UK. Whilst most of these bands didn't go on to replicate this success across the pond, they did at least gain some cult cache amongst US fans of 'underground' indie music, and I think many of these young listeners began looking into these bands influences, such as Oasis. And because the US is so huge, even a relatively cult act can score a top 10 album. Now can we post our alternative DOYS tracklistings please? If only the Doctor wasn't gone, I know they loved those... Ye ti certainly cant be denied DBTT era was great one for the band only topped by 94-97 because brothers were getting on great and the band were having alot of commercial success with the album and its hard to think that the next era would involve an im pretty underwhelming album by their standard, a horrible tour spewed with cancelled shows and arguments among liam's voice being shot and then a break-up. Ive not done one of these DOYS alternate tracklists yet so here we go: 1. Bag It up 2. The Turning 3. Waiting For The Rapture 4. Shock Of The Lightening 5. Im Outta Time 6. Come On Outside 7. Falling Down 8. To Be Where's There's Life 9. I Wanna Live In a dream In My Record Machine 10. Boy With The Blues The tosser had the fucking songs. It drives me crazy, every time I think of DOYS.
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Post by noelygthelegend on Jan 11, 2016 13:40:13 GMT -5
Ye ti certainly cant be denied DBTT era was great one for the band only topped by 94-97 because brothers were getting on great and the band were having alot of commercial success with the album and its hard to think that the next era would involve an im pretty underwhelming album by their standard, a horrible tour spewed with cancelled shows and arguments among liam's voice being shot and then a break-up. Ive not done one of these DOYS alternate tracklists yet so here we go: 1. Bag It up 2. The Turning 3. Waiting For The Rapture 4. Shock Of The Lightening 5. Im Outta Time 6. Come On Outside 7. Falling Down 8. To Be Where's There's Life 9. I Wanna Live In a dream In My Record Machine 10. Boy With The Blues The tosser had the fucking songs. It drives me crazy, every time I think of DOYS. In fairness to liam did run off to get married but it certainly wouldnt be the first time he hasnt put the best songs possible on an album eg sotsog.
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