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Post by ricardogce on Jun 16, 2017 0:23:09 GMT -5
DGSS has its moments, but the boys were too slavish in their homage to their 60s influences, to the point where the album sounds dated rather than retro-cool. Miles Kane manages to bring the same time period into the present, but the boys didn't quite get there. And in pure Gallagher tradition, one of its best tunes was a B-side most of the world never heard.
BE is a big improvement all around. Some dodgy songs (I'm Just Saying, mainly), but overall a very promising record. Of course, two of their best this time around are Japanese exclusives, because why not shoot themselves in the foot, right?
I hope Liam brings a couple Beady Eye tunes out on tour. They produced a decent collection of songs that, while not touching Oasis, are great fun live.
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Post by Gas Panic on Jun 16, 2017 3:29:19 GMT -5
DGSS has its moments, but the boys were too slavish in their homage to their 60s influences, to the point where the album sounds dated rather than retro-cool. Miles Kane manages to bring the same time period into the present, but the boys didn't quite get there. And in pure Gallagher tradition, one of its best tunes was a B-side most of the world never heard. BE is a big improvement all around. Some dodgy songs (I'm Just Saying, mainly), but overall a very promising record. Of course, two of their best this time around are Japanese exclusives, because why not shoot themselves in the foot, right? I hope Liam brings a couple Beady Eye tunes out on tour. They produced a decent collection of songs that, while not touching Oasis, are great fun live. I have a feeling that we wont hear any Beady Eye tunes on this tour at least, and maybe even never again. I think Liam may develop a relationship with the Beady Eye era similar to Noels relationship with the BHN era where he may try to bury it and pretend that it never happened. As much as I enjoy some Beady Eye songs its hard to pretend that it wasn't a massive flop and it must have hurt Liam and his ego. |
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Post by Rolo on Jun 27, 2017 11:47:25 GMT -5
Did a quick recording of Start Anew. Still absolutely love this song.
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Post by dazed on Jun 27, 2017 12:11:27 GMT -5
i used to hate dgss, but looking back on it recently, its a lovely album, lots of fun songs, some nice lyrics and its certainly memorable, i still think BE flows better as a record and has stronger tracks, though i feel im just saying and face the crowd shouldnt have been on the record
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Post by dazed on Jun 27, 2017 12:11:55 GMT -5
beady eye also had some really great b sides, man of misery in particular should have been on a record
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Post by MacaRonic on Jun 28, 2017 12:02:30 GMT -5
beady eye also had some really great b sides, man of misery in particular should have been on a record I agree on Man of Misery, although it does sound like it would fit better on Dig Out Your Soul. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 6, 2017 19:42:07 GMT -5
I almost never listen to BDI. There are some decent songs, mind - I have always liked Three Ringed Circus.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 5:59:22 GMT -5
They should have been called Liam Gallagher's Beady Eye.
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Post by carlober on Jul 7, 2017 8:15:24 GMT -5
I never got the hate for 'Shine a Light'.
It's groovy thanks to its bouncy, acoustic-based rhythm. Great production (especially on drums & percussions) with lots of cool sounds and effects going on in the background. Far from being lifeless! Good tune.
The video was weird though, and its release timing was incredibly unfortunate.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 9:14:05 GMT -5
I never got the hate for 'Shine a Light'. It's groovy thanks to its bouncy, acoustic-based rhythm. Great production (especially on drums & percussions) with lots of cool sounds and effects going on in the background. Far from being lifeless! Good tune. The video was weird though, and its release timing was incredibly unfortunate. I don't hate the song but I think it lacks of a tune. That was really the problem with most of BE tracks. A good idea here and there but it was rarely evolving into a good melodical line (Noel has kind of the same problem in some of his NGFHB, even though less prominent). But yes, I'd take Shine A Light over the likes of The Beat Goes On or Start Anew. |
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Jul 10, 2017 14:11:22 GMT -5
DGSS is actually a stronger album than BE.
I spent alot of time thinking BE was better simply because its better producee and not stuck in that 60s theme but The Roller, Four Letter Word, Morning Son, Bring The Light and Millionaire are great and only really Flick Of The Finger and Start Anew were better for me. The bonus tracks for BE are really strong tracks and deserve to be on the album though.
I think where Liam will benefit from this new album is the longevity of the songs. Better Run Better Hide, I get By and Greedy Soul might be liam by numbers to some but i think they all have so much more potential longevity and are much more rounded songs than anything in Beady Eye. They could all be used in car shows, films etc with their groovy tones and even just the theme of the songs. Something all the Beady Eye songs missed really apart from Flick Of The Finger.
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Post by OasisDG on Jul 10, 2017 14:21:31 GMT -5
DGSS is actually a stronger album than BE. I spent alot of time thinking BE was better simply because its better producee I must be alone in thinking that BE had some horrible production, FTC being a prime example. I always thought everything was too dry. Soul Love was actually unbearable for that snare sound. |
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Jul 10, 2017 14:31:27 GMT -5
DGSS is actually a stronger album than BE. I spent alot of time thinking BE was better simply because its better producee I must be alone in thinking that BE had some horrible production, FTC being a prime example. I always thought everything was too dry. Soul Love was actually unbearable for that snare sound. FTC sounds very rushed to me. Im fact i think in Beady Eye they settled on any vocal that Liam approved. Rather than actually taking the time to get a good take. Some of the vocals on DGSS are like good 2011 live vocals. |
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Post by OasisDG on Jul 10, 2017 14:48:33 GMT -5
I must be alone in thinking that BE had some horrible production, FTC being a prime example. I always thought everything was too dry. Soul Love was actually unbearable for that snare sound. FTC sounds very rushed to me. Im fact i think in Beady Eye they settled on any vocal that Liam approved. Rather than actually taking the time to get a good take. Some of the vocals on DGSS are like good 2011 live vocals. 100%. Knowing the limited information we do on LG recording vocals it sounds like 9/10 it was always a one or two take wonder. |
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Post by ricardogce on Jul 17, 2017 10:36:47 GMT -5
DGSS is actually a stronger album than BE. I spent alot of time thinking BE was better simply because its better producee and not stuck in that 60s theme but The Roller, Four Letter Word, Morning Son, Bring The Light and Millionaire are great and only really Flick Of The Finger and Start Anew were better for me. The bonus tracks for BE are really strong tracks and deserve to be on the album though. I think where Liam will benefit from this new album is the longevity of the songs. Better Run Better Hide, I get By and Greedy Soul might be liam by numbers to some but i think they all have so much more potential longevity and are much more rounded songs than anything in Beady Eye. They could all be used in car shows, films etc with their groovy tones and even just the theme of the songs. Something all the Beady Eye songs missed really apart from Flick Of The Finger. Millionaire is ALMOST a class tune, but it trips over its own feet. The verses and bridge are essentially run on sentences that seem like they're never gonna end. Bring the Light is just a bad attempt at early rock. It's not a modern tune that pays homage to classic rock n roll, it's an attempt to BE classic rock n roll, and it feels dated from the start. That Jerry Lee Lewis piano makes my balls want to run away. Beady Eye had lots of cool ideas, but they needed a seasoned songwriter to make them coalesce into actual songs. Much like the Beatles when they went solo and no longer had each other to challenge their worst ideas, Beady Eye were a victim of their own indulgence. "Yeah we're doing this because Noel can't say no anymore", basically. |
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Jul 17, 2017 10:40:23 GMT -5
DGSS is actually a stronger album than BE. I spent alot of time thinking BE was better simply because its better producee and not stuck in that 60s theme but The Roller, Four Letter Word, Morning Son, Bring The Light and Millionaire are great and only really Flick Of The Finger and Start Anew were better for me. The bonus tracks for BE are really strong tracks and deserve to be on the album though. I think where Liam will benefit from this new album is the longevity of the songs. Better Run Better Hide, I get By and Greedy Soul might be liam by numbers to some but i think they all have so much more potential longevity and are much more rounded songs than anything in Beady Eye. They could all be used in car shows, films etc with their groovy tones and even just the theme of the songs. Something all the Beady Eye songs missed really apart from Flick Of The Finger. Millionaire is ALMOST a class tune, but it trips over its own feet. The verses and bridge are essentially run on sentences that seem like they're never gonna end. Bring the Light is just a bad attempt at early rock. It's not a modern tune that pays homage to classic rock n roll, it's an attempt to BE classic rock n roll, and it feels dated from the start. That Jerry Lee Lewis piano makes my balls want to run away. Beady Eye had lots of cool ideas, but they needed a seasoned songwriter to make them coalesce into actual songs. Much like the Beatles when they went solo and no longer had each other to challenge their worst ideas, Beady Eye were a victim of their own indulgence. "Yeah we're doing this because Noel can't say no anymore", basically. Good comparison to The Beatles after the split. Difference between the Beatles and oasis/Beady Eye would be the sheer amount of popularity and a unanimous support no matter what from a huge amount of people. So often alot of Lennon, and especially Mccartneys terrible stuff is overlooked. Beady Eye had to go that further mile to create something great because it wasnt expected of them after Oasis. All they did was just play straight into the haters hands, despite having a few genuinely good songs. |
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Post by spaneli on Jul 20, 2017 14:20:40 GMT -5
Millionaire is ALMOST a class tune, but it trips over its own feet. The verses and bridge are essentially run on sentences that seem like they're never gonna end. Bring the Light is just a bad attempt at early rock. It's not a modern tune that pays homage to classic rock n roll, it's an attempt to BE classic rock n roll, and it feels dated from the start. That Jerry Lee Lewis piano makes my balls want to run away. Beady Eye had lots of cool ideas, but they needed a seasoned songwriter to make them coalesce into actual songs. Much like the Beatles when they went solo and no longer had each other to challenge their worst ideas, Beady Eye were a victim of their own indulgence. "Yeah we're doing this because Noel can't say no anymore", basically. Good comparison to The Beatles after the split. Difference between the Beatles and oasis/Beady Eye would be the sheer amount of popularity and a unanimous support no matter what from a huge amount of people. So often alot of Lennon, and especially Mccartneys terrible stuff is overlooked. Beady Eye had to go that further mile to create something great because it wasnt expected of them after Oasis. All they did was just play straight into the haters hands, despite having a few genuinely good songs. At the time, McCartney was ravaged on every release. His debut album was panned by everyone, including his former bandmates. Ram, the follow-up, was also poorly received. Personally, I love both of those albums, and it took 30 years before they were generally accepted as good albums. McCartney didn't have a well-received album until Band on the Run (that was his fifth post-Beatles release). He's got about five albums, that at the time of their release were well received: Band on the Run, Tug of War, Chaos and Creation, Memory Almost Full and NEW. I think critics over time have mostly been overly critical of McCartney's work, and sometimes they've had to backtrack on albums that were clearly good that got pillaged. Now Lennon, because of the deification of him and the fact that some have seen his more "serious" subjects as having greater artistic value, has always had his swings and misses overlooked. Lennon has ALWAYS gotten far more of a pass on his poor work than McCartney. |
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Jul 20, 2017 18:38:41 GMT -5
Good comparison to The Beatles after the split. Difference between the Beatles and oasis/Beady Eye would be the sheer amount of popularity and a unanimous support no matter what from a huge amount of people. So often alot of Lennon, and especially Mccartneys terrible stuff is overlooked. Beady Eye had to go that further mile to create something great because it wasnt expected of them after Oasis. All they did was just play straight into the haters hands, despite having a few genuinely good songs. At the time, McCartney was ravaged on every release. His debut album was panned by everyone, including his former bandmates. Ram, the follow-up, was also poorly received. Personally, I love both of those albums, and it took 30 years before they were generally accepted as good albums. McCartney didn't have a well-received album until Band on the Run (that was his fifth post-Beatles release). He's got about five albums, that at the time of their release were well received: Band on the Run, Tug of War, Chaos and Creation, Memory Almost Full and NEW. I think critics over time have mostly been overly critical of McCartney's work, and sometimes they've had to backtrack on albums that were clearly good that got pillaged. Now Lennon, because of the deification of him and the fact that some have seen his more "serious" subjects as having greater artistic value, has always had his swings and misses overlooked. Lennon has ALWAYS gotten far more of a pass on his poor work than McCartney. Agreed, i meant it more as a 24 year old listening to all of their work now and looking at how their solo efforts are looked at now generally. |
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Post by ricardogce on Jul 22, 2017 1:25:03 GMT -5
Good comparison to The Beatles after the split. Difference between the Beatles and oasis/Beady Eye would be the sheer amount of popularity and a unanimous support no matter what from a huge amount of people. So often alot of Lennon, and especially Mccartneys terrible stuff is overlooked. Beady Eye had to go that further mile to create something great because it wasnt expected of them after Oasis. All they did was just play straight into the haters hands, despite having a few genuinely good songs. At the time, McCartney was ravaged on every release. His debut album was panned by everyone, including his former bandmates. Ram, the follow-up, was also poorly received. Personally, I love both of those albums, and it took 30 years before they were generally accepted as good albums. McCartney didn't have a well-received album until Band on the Run (that was his fifth post-Beatles release). He's got about five albums, that at the time of their release were well received: Band on the Run, Tug of War, Chaos and Creation, Memory Almost Full and NEW. I think critics over time have mostly been overly critical of McCartney's work, and sometimes they've had to backtrack on albums that were clearly good that got pillaged. Now Lennon, because of the deification of him and the fact that some have seen his more "serious" subjects as having greater artistic value, has always had his swings and misses overlooked. Lennon has ALWAYS gotten far more of a pass on his poor work than McCartney. Paul has had by far the best solo career, quality-wise. A lot of the criticism he comes in for is unjustified, and some of it comes from bitter Lennon fans (a minority of John's fandom, don't get me wrong) who essentially resent him for still being alive, for John's rival for leadership to have outlived him long enough to write the band's legacy in his own words. But albums like Press Play and Pipes of Peace have no reason to be, and had the Beatles never broken up, 90% of each would have been prevented from seeing the light of day by the others. John's solo legacy was saved by his death. He's been deified ever since, and his solo work is judged much more gently. But he was on the same boat as Paul: Genius songs surrounded by the kind of dreck their partnership was supposed to prevent in the first place. George and Ringo did much better during the 70s, mainly because they had a lot of quality material saved up (George's case), and no ego when it came to surrounding themselves with people who could elevate their work (Ringo's case). |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2017 11:17:29 GMT -5
I only know some greatest hits from Paul and John (Imagine, Working Class Hero, Band on the Run...) any recommendations for all four? What album should I start with? Compilation album? ricardogce liamgallagher1992 spaneli |
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Post by Derrick on Jul 22, 2017 13:11:47 GMT -5
I only know some greatest hits from Paul and John (Imagine, Working Class Hero, Band on the Run...) any recommendations for all four? What album should I start with? Compilation album? ricardogce liamgallagher1992 spaneliYou can start chronologically, since the beginnings of Lennon & Macca's solo careers are both great. It went pear-shaped in the mid-70's due to a fading inspiration coupled with the tacky sounds of the synthesizer... Lennon: "Plastic Ono Band" & "Imagine" are essential. "Mind games", "Walls & bridges" are very good albums, a bit uneven but they contain great songs. McCartney: "Ram" & "Band on the run" are essential; "McCartney" is really DIY, you like it or you don't but it has its charms; "Red rose speedway" is classic Macca without the extra sparkle. From "Venus & Mars" onwards tread at your own peril... |
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Post by spaneli on Jul 22, 2017 13:51:16 GMT -5
I only know some greatest hits from Paul and John (Imagine, Working Class Hero, Band on the Run...) any recommendations for all four? What album should I start with? Compilation album? ricardogce liamgallagher1992 spaneliYou can start chronologically, since the beginnings of Lennon & Macca's solo careers are both great. It went pear-shaped in the mid-70's due to a fading inspiration coupled with the tacky sounds of the synthesizer... Lennon: "Plastic Ono Band" & "Imagine" are essential. "Mind games", "Walls & bridges" are very good albums, a bit uneven but they contain great songs. McCartney: "Ram" & "Band on the run" are essential; "McCartney" is really DIY, you like it or you don't but it has its charms; "Red rose speedway" is classic Macca without the extra sparkle. From "Venus & Mars" onwards tread at your own peril... Yea, I would agree with this. I'd also say that Chaos and Creation is also essential. He worked with Nigel Godrich on that one. Godrich had veto power on what songs they could record, and the results really show. Though for Lennon, I'd sub out Walls and Bridges and put Double Fantasy instead. |
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Post by Gas Panic on Jul 22, 2017 16:25:07 GMT -5
You can start chronologically, since the beginnings of Lennon & Macca's solo careers are both great. It went pear-shaped in the mid-70's due to a fading inspiration coupled with the tacky sounds of the synthesizer... Lennon: "Plastic Ono Band" & "Imagine" are essential. "Mind games", "Walls & bridges" are very good albums, a bit uneven but they contain great songs. McCartney: "Ram" & "Band on the run" are essential; "McCartney" is really DIY, you like it or you don't but it has its charms; "Red rose speedway" is classic Macca without the extra sparkle. From "Venus & Mars" onwards tread at your own peril... Yea, I would agree with this. I'd also say that Chaos and Creation is also essential. He worked with Nigel Godrich on that one. Godrich had veto power on what songs they could record, and the results really show. Though for Lennon, I'd sub out Walls and Bridges and put Double Fantasy instead. Flowers In The Dirt is another essential McCartney album, I'm also a big fan of Memory Almost Full. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2017 17:59:27 GMT -5
I only know some greatest hits from Paul and John (Imagine, Working Class Hero, Band on the Run...) any recommendations for all four? What album should I start with? Compilation album? ricardogce liamgallagher1992 spaneliYou can start chronologically, since the beginnings of Lennon & Macca's solo careers are both great. It went pear-shaped in the mid-70's due to a fading inspiration coupled with the tacky sounds of the synthesizer... Lennon: "Plastic Ono Band" & "Imagine" are essential. "Mind games", "Walls & bridges" are very good albums, a bit uneven but they contain great songs. McCartney: "Ram" & "Band on the run" are essential; "McCartney" is really DIY, you like it or you don't but it has its charms; "Red rose speedway" is classic Macca without the extra sparkle. From "Venus & Mars" onwards tread at your own peril... Thanks! And George and Ringo? |
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Post by ricardogce on Jul 23, 2017 5:51:15 GMT -5
I only know some greatest hits from Paul and John (Imagine, Working Class Hero, Band on the Run...) any recommendations for all four? What album should I start with? Compilation album? ricardogce liamgallagher1992 spaneli I'd second derrick's recommendations for their 70s work. Paul hit a creative wall after Wings ended, and although it's not like his 80s output was without flashes of brilliance, it wasn't until Flowers in the Dirt (1989) that he showed real signs of recovery. His collaborations with Elvis Costello seemed to remind him that he could still write proper tunes. The presence of another brilliant songwriter who wasn't afraid to tell him something wasn't good enough was what he needed after 20 years of everyone praising whatever he came up with. Flowers in the Dirt and its follow-up, Off the Ground, are both great choices. His 90s albums in general are worth a listen, including Unplugged. Run Devil Run I can take or leave, it's his version of Lennon's Rock N' Roll album. I'm not much into covers albums. Linda's passing (and Heather's arrival) resulted in Driving Rain, which resulted in a pretty solid album, even though his knack for catchy melodies isn't quite as strong as it's elsewhere. Still worth it. After he was out of the shadows again, he's just been pretty great. Some of his best solo work has definitely come in his 60s and 70s. Everything he's done in the 21st century is worth listening to, very few complaints. George's solo stuff I'm not as familiar with, but most of what I've heard I've liked. The Traveling Wilburys are a must, if you're into supergroups. Ringo's solo stuff is great up to the start of the 80s, when he stopped getting regular help from the other Beatles. His lesser skills as a songwriter compared to the others mean his albums are greatly dependent on who he's working with, and there's no real "Ringo sound". His tribute song to George (Never Without You) is beautiful. I'd say give his 70s albums a listen, and then pick and choose afterwards. |
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