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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jan 1, 2016 7:38:38 GMT -5
As it is, I think Morning Glory is the second best album ever made. With The Masterplan on it, it'd've been the absolute best. What is the best ?? ^^ Abbey Road, in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 7:51:32 GMT -5
Abbey Road, in my opinion. Gotta love Abbey Road, too. The only track that I really, really dislike on it, is Maxwell's Silver Hammer, and I am not a big fan of Sun King. But Maxwell... one of McCartney's worst, imo.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 8:03:13 GMT -5
Alternate tracklists for Morning Glory?! Are you out of your mind? As it is, I think Morning Glory is the second best album ever made. With The Masterplan on it, it'd've been the absolute best. The Masterplan might be better than say Hey Now! or She's Electric but I don't think it would fit in anywhere. There are already four songs on the album with a similar style ( Don't Look Back In Anger, Wonderwall, Cast No Shadow and Champagne Supernova) and just like Acquiesce or Hello work best as opening tracks The Masterplan works best as a closing track in my opinion. Therefore you had to replace it with Champagne Supernova (and that is crazy to think of).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 8:06:35 GMT -5
Underneath The Sky could have been a good choice to replace She's Electric. I would have fitted perfectly. The same with Rockin'Chair replacing Hey Now!
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Post by The Escapist on Jan 1, 2016 9:09:49 GMT -5
Abbey Road, in my opinion. Gotta love Abbey Road, too. The only track that I really, really dislike on it, is Maxwell's Silver Hammer, and I am not a big fan of Sun King. But Maxwell... one of McCartney's worst, imo. I love Maxwell's Silver Hammer! Great melody, lyrics and production. The intro to Sun King is beautiful, same as all the medley. theyknowwhatimean, do you really consider "Hello" a great song? It's much better live, has mediocre lyrics, a good melody in fairness but then ends with a sizeable Gary Glitter rip-off. Good, yes - but not great. Roll With It approaches bad IMO, most of the time I consider it nigh on unlistenable with its garish production and caveman melody. I've always found the instrumentals utterly disposable, and the less said about Hey Now! the better. I guess we'll never agree on this album though, as I can safely say it will never approach my top 20, great as it is - certainly not second of all time. Abbey Road is a good pick for No.1 though.
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Post by Aman on Jan 1, 2016 10:41:39 GMT -5
Roll With It is dismissed way to often in imaginary tracklists. It's a little boneheaded (eatmypun) but it's a better pop song than anything from the Be Here Now era. I know! It's still a great listen, especially the last minute or so. People on here seem to regard it as badly as Magic Pie or Little James.
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Post by andybellwillring on Jan 1, 2016 10:43:31 GMT -5
She's Electric is better than Cast No Shadow. Fight me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 10:58:10 GMT -5
Talking about WTSMG, I was looking for a review of a movie and I found a site where all the people can rate every albums, songs, movies, books,etc. So I wondered how it would be rated and the answer is: only 7.1/10 ! Even Let It Be (the album)is better rated with a 7.4
Funny site.
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Post by Aman on Jan 1, 2016 12:14:12 GMT -5
She's Electric is better than Cast No Shadow. Fight me. Cast No Shadow is the 2nd worst song on it for me. (After She's Electric. Soz!) After like 50 seconds of CNS that's it really. Then the whole song is one long repeat, where by the end of the song you just want to slap yourself it's that repetitive.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jan 1, 2016 14:11:12 GMT -5
Gotta love Abbey Road, too. The only track that I really, really dislike on it, is Maxwell's Silver Hammer, and I am not a big fan of Sun King. But Maxwell... one of McCartney's worst, imo. theyknowwhatimean , do you really consider "Hello" a great song? It's much better live, has mediocre lyrics, a good melody in fairness but then ends with a sizeable Gary Glitter rip-off. Good, yes - but not great. Roll With It approaches bad IMO, most of the time I consider it nigh on unlistenable with its garish production and caveman melody. I've always found the instrumentals utterly disposable, and the less said about Hey Now! the better. I guess we'll never agree on this album though, as I can safely say it will never approach my top 20, great as it is - certainly not second of all time. Abbey Road is a good pick for No.1 though. Yes, I do. A rollicking little number to open the album, with a rip-roaring vocal performance from Liam, and, as you say, a strong melody, all tidied up in barely over three minutes with a tasteful bit of wah-wah from Noel. Apart from the Wonderwall tease at he start, it doesn't waste any time any getting to the point, and it's over before you could possibly become bored of it, straight away giving the album that energetic note that carries you through some of longer songs, and the strictly poppy numbers later on in the record. 8.5/10And Roll With It... Keeping in vein with Hello, it's another infectious little pop-rocker that takes even less time getting to the point, hitting you right off the bat with that classic hook of "You gotta roll with it / You gotta take your time / You gotta say what you say / Don't let anybody get in your way". It's vintage 90s Oasis: life-afirming, eternally optimistic, and absolutely self-assured. Sure, the production is not the greatest, and the last minute of the song can start to grate, but I think the song has enough going for it that you can ignore its shortcomings. Another completely fabulous Liam vocals; more prominent Noel backing vox, including some quite gorgeous harmonies in the chorus; some understated but still gloriously poppy and joyous guitar work; and drumming from Whitey that I would defy any Oasis fan to be able to resist the urge to air-drum along to. 8/10Hey Now!... An odd song in the Oasis catalogue - especially for a Morning Glory tune - because it doesn't fit into any of the usual categories: it's not a rocker or a ballad, and it's not exactly a great sing-along anthem either, it's just... well, I don't really know what it is. But I know I like it. I like the way it's recorded, with Whitey's drums right up front, and that fake string line running through it all. I like Liam's vocals. I even like what he sings. Sure, it's a minute too long, but the reason for the extra minute, the repeated verse, makes it at least fairly worthwhile, with the little guitar licks added in over Liam's singing - much like in The Girl In The Dirty Shirt - to help round the song off nicely. 7.5/10And I know you didn't ask, but I must say, I think She's Electric is one of the most delicious little throwaway pop tunes I've ever heard. A resounding 10/10 from me!
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Post by The Escapist on Jan 1, 2016 14:27:12 GMT -5
theyknowwhatimean , do you really consider "Hello" a great song? It's much better live, has mediocre lyrics, a good melody in fairness but then ends with a sizeable Gary Glitter rip-off. Good, yes - but not great. Roll With It approaches bad IMO, most of the time I consider it nigh on unlistenable with its garish production and caveman melody. I've always found the instrumentals utterly disposable, and the less said about Hey Now! the better. I guess we'll never agree on this album though, as I can safely say it will never approach my top 20, great as it is - certainly not second of all time. Abbey Road is a good pick for No.1 though. Yes, I do. A rollicking little number to open the album, with a rip-roaring vocal performance from Liam, and, as you say, a strong melody, all tidied up in barely over three minutes with a tasteful bit of wah-wah from Noel. Apart from the Wonderwall tease at he start, it doesn't waste any time any getting to the point, and it's over before you could possibly become bored of it, straight away giving the album that energetic note that carries you through some of longer songs, and the strictly poppy numbers later on in the record. 8.5/10And Roll With It... Keeping in vein with Hello, it's another infectious little pop-rocker that takes even less time getting to the point, hitting you right off the bat with that classic hook of "You gotta roll with it / You gotta take your time / You gotta say what you say / Don't let anybody get in your way". It's vintage 90s Oasis: life-afirming, eternally optimistic, and absolutely self-assured. Sure, the production is not the greatest, and the last minute of the song can start to grate, but I think the song has enough going for it that you can ignore its shortcomings. Another completely fabulous Liam vocals; more prominent Noel backing vox, including some quite gorgeous harmonies in the chorus; some understated but still gloriously poppy and joyous guitar work; and drumming from Whitey that I would defy any Oasis fan to be able to resist the urge to air-drum along to. 8/10Hey Now!... An odd song in the Oasis catalogue - especially for a Morning Glory tune - because it doesn't fit into any of the usual categories: it's not a rocker or a ballad, and it's not exactly a great sing-along anthem either, it's just... well, I don't really know what it is. But I know I like it. I like the way it's recorded, with Whitey's drums right up front, and that fake string line running through it all. I like Liam's vocals. I even like what he sings. Sure, it's a minute too long, but the reason for the extra minute, the repeated verse, is not completely worthwhile, much like with The Girl In The Dirty Shirt, the little guitar licks help round the song off nicely. 7.5/10And I know you didn't ask, but I must say, I think She's Electric is one of the most delicious little throwaway pop tunes I've ever heard. A resounding 10/10 from me! Well, I applaud your enthusiasm! You're certainly in the majority, with the album being one of the most popular all time. The album, for me: Hello - 6/10 Roll With it - 6/10 Wonderwall - 9/10 Dont Look Back in Anger - 10/10 Hey Now! - 5.5/10 (Swamp Song) - 5/10 Some Might Say - 8/10 Cast No Shadow - 8/10 She's Electric - 7/10 Morning Glory - 8/10 (Swamp Song) - 6/10 Champagne Supernova - 10/10 Average - 7/10 (rounded) Overall (accounting for flow etc) - 7/10 My version: Acquiesce - 8/10 Some Might Say - 8/10 Wonderwall - 9/10 Don't Look Back in Anger - 10/10 Headshrinker - 7.5/10 Talk Tonight - 8/10 Cast No Shadow - 8/10 The Masterplan - 10/10 She's Electric - 7/10 Morning Glory - 8/10 Champagne Supernova - 10/10 Average - 8/10 (rounded) Overall - 9/10
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Post by Riverman on Jan 1, 2016 14:56:17 GMT -5
I fucking love Alan's drumming in MG
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Post by World71R on Jan 1, 2016 15:53:39 GMT -5
Alternate tracklists for Morning Glory?! Are you out of your mind? Not at all. It's just for fun, and to see how some of the gems for B-sides would fit within the context of the other album tracks. Like I mentioned in the closing sentence of my alternate track listing post, the official release's track listing is still great. Plus, with those gems being relegated to B-sides, instead of on the album, they made the singles a little more valuable to get. That's why I wish Noel would've gone through with the Some Might Say/ Acquiesce double A-side, but I guess with it just being SMS as a single A-side, us fans get Acquiesce as our hidden treasure (similar to how Slide Away is).
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Post by World71R on Jan 1, 2016 16:05:12 GMT -5
I fucking love Alan's drumming in MG Honestly, I don't think that WW, DLBIA, CNS, SE, and CS would all be as good/great as they are without his drumming. His drumming breathed air into the songs and created a space for the arrangements to grow, but I think Noel's arranging formula (recording the basic melody on guitar, having Alan play over it, re-record the guitar with an adjusted melody to fit with the drums, and so on...) helped to make that possible.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 17:53:28 GMT -5
Yes, I do. A rollicking little number to open the album, with a rip-roaring vocal performance from Liam, and, as you say, a strong melody, all tidied up in barely over three minutes with a tasteful bit of wah-wah from Noel. Apart from the Wonderwall tease at he start, it doesn't waste any time any getting to the point, and it's over before you could possibly become bored of it, straight away giving the album that energetic note that carries you through some of longer songs, and the strictly poppy numbers later on in the record. 8.5/10And Roll With It... Keeping in vein with Hello, it's another infectious little pop-rocker that takes even less time getting to the point, hitting you right off the bat with that classic hook of "You gotta roll with it / You gotta take your time / You gotta say what you say / Don't let anybody get in your way". It's vintage 90s Oasis: life-afirming, eternally optimistic, and absolutely self-assured. Sure, the production is not the greatest, and the last minute of the song can start to grate, but I think the song has enough going for it that you can ignore its shortcomings. Another completely fabulous Liam vocals; more prominent Noel backing vox, including some quite gorgeous harmonies in the chorus; some understated but still gloriously poppy and joyous guitar work; and drumming from Whitey that I would defy any Oasis fan to be able to resist the urge to air-drum along to. 8/10Hey Now!... An odd song in the Oasis catalogue - especially for a Morning Glory tune - because it doesn't fit into any of the usual categories: it's not a rocker or a ballad, and it's not exactly a great sing-along anthem either, it's just... well, I don't really know what it is. But I know I like it. I like the way it's recorded, with Whitey's drums right up front, and that fake string line running through it all. I like Liam's vocals. I even like what he sings. Sure, it's a minute too long, but the reason for the extra minute, the repeated verse, is not completely worthwhile, much like with The Girl In The Dirty Shirt, the little guitar licks help round the song off nicely. 7.5/10And I know you didn't ask, but I must say, I think She's Electric is one of the most delicious little throwaway pop tunes I've ever heard. A resounding 10/10 from me! Well, I applaud your enthusiasm! You're certainly in the majority, with the album being one of the most popular all time. The album, for me: Hello - 6/10 Roll With it - 6/10 Wonderwall - 9/10 Dont Look Back in Anger - 10/10 Hey Now! - 5.5/10 (Swamp Song) - 5/10 Some Might Say - 8/10 Cast No Shadow - 8/10 She's Electric - 7/10 Morning Glory - 8/10 (Swamp Song) - 6/10 Champagne Supernova - 10/10 Average - 7/10 (rounded) Overall (accounting for flow etc) - 7/10 My version: Acquiesce - 8/10 Some Might Say - 8/10 Wonderwall - 9/10 Don't Look Back in Anger - 10/10 Headshrinker - 7.5/10 Talk Tonight - 8/10 Cast No Shadow - 8/10 The Masterplan - 10/10 She's Electric - 7/10 Morning Glory - 8/10 Champagne Supernova - 10/10 Average - 8/10 (rounded) Overall - 9/10 Sorry, but this (Every alternative DM/MG) tracklist made me laugh.
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Post by The Escapist on Jan 1, 2016 18:10:11 GMT -5
Well, I applaud your enthusiasm! You're certainly in the majority, with the album being one of the most popular all time. The album, for me: Hello - 6/10 Roll With it - 6/10 Wonderwall - 9/10 Dont Look Back in Anger - 10/10 Hey Now! - 5.5/10 (Swamp Song) - 5/10 Some Might Say - 8/10 Cast No Shadow - 8/10 She's Electric - 7/10 Morning Glory - 8/10 (Swamp Song) - 6/10 Champagne Supernova - 10/10 Average - 7/10 (rounded) Overall (accounting for flow etc) - 7/10 My version: Acquiesce - 8/10 Some Might Say - 8/10 Wonderwall - 9/10 Don't Look Back in Anger - 10/10 Headshrinker - 7.5/10 Talk Tonight - 8/10 Cast No Shadow - 8/10 The Masterplan - 10/10 She's Electric - 7/10 Morning Glory - 8/10 Champagne Supernova - 10/10 Average - 8/10 (rounded) Overall - 9/10 Sorry, but this tracklist made me laugh. I accept both your apologies. I care for neither.
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Post by Riverman on Jan 2, 2016 9:14:48 GMT -5
I fucking love Alan's drumming in MG Honestly, I don't think that WW, DLBIA, CNS, SE, and CS would all be as good/great as they are without his drumming. His drumming breathed air into the songs and created a space for the arrangements to grow, but I think Noel's arranging formula (recording the basic melody on guitar, having Alan play over it, re-record the guitar with an adjusted melody to fit with the drums, and so on...) helped to make that possible. No doubt. Whitey's drumming WAS the MG feel.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 2, 2016 12:09:33 GMT -5
She's Electric is better than Cast No Shadow. Fight me. "In what universe is She's Electric better than Cast No Shadow? Bonkers."
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Post by RocketMan on Jan 2, 2016 15:45:52 GMT -5
As it is, I think Morning Glory is the second best album ever made. With The Masterplan on it, it'd've been the absolute best. The Masterplan might be better than say Hey Now! or She's Electric but I don't think it would fit in anywhere. There are already four songs on the album with a similar style ( Don't Look Back In Anger, Wonderwall, Cast No Shadow and Champagne Supernova) and just like Acquiesce or Hello work best as opening tracks The Masterplan works best as a closing track in my opinion. Therefore you had to replace it with Champagne Supernova (and that is crazy to think of). So if these songs dont fit, how in the world did those annoying interludes (swamp song) made the album. Its a very simple(stupid) approach to make MG a concept album. They could easily put the masterplan on before CS and underneath the sky before SMS. This would have made the album even better.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 2, 2016 15:54:20 GMT -5
They couldn't have put The Masterplan on WTSMG, because it was written and recorded after they recorded that album.
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Post by Riverman on Jan 3, 2016 0:33:19 GMT -5
There's s reason why Noel labelled TM "useless" after AW was hired.....I can't believe this needs to be said....
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Post by World71R on Jan 3, 2016 1:56:35 GMT -5
The Masterplan might be better than say Hey Now! or She's Electric but I don't think it would fit in anywhere. There are already four songs on the album with a similar style ( Don't Look Back In Anger, Wonderwall, Cast No Shadow and Champagne Supernova) and just like Acquiesce or Hello work best as opening tracks The Masterplan works best as a closing track in my opinion. Therefore you had to replace it with Champagne Supernova (and that is crazy to think of). So if these songs dont fit, how in the world did those annoying interludes (swamp song) made the album. Its a very simple(stupid) approach to make MG a concept album. They could easily put the masterplan on before CS and underneath the sky before SMS. This would have made the album even better. The only problem is that, like what is stated in the 2 posts above, TM was penned after WTSMG came out. Anyways, making that change to put it before CS would ruin the near-perfect flow of the final few tracks of the album (CNS to the end). The second excerpt works perfectly to lead into CS, and the first excerpt does a good job at transitioning from the grandiose nature of tracks 3-5 to the rush of sound that comes with SMS. It puzzles me how their purpose is not seen by many because they really make the album complete.
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