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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 30, 2015 12:32:24 GMT -5
I don't really like Alan's drumming on the album by itself, but it's exactly what the album needed, and it would be way worse with any other drummer. Alan's drums MAKE Wonderwall And Cast No Shadow Cast No Shadow is probably the most unique sounding Oasis song in their entire catalog.
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Post by headshrinker84 on Dec 30, 2015 12:54:17 GMT -5
I literally hate NOTHING about Morning Glory. Even the shitty production?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 30, 2015 12:55:30 GMT -5
I literally hate NOTHING about Morning Glory. Even the shitty production? Love the production!
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Post by andybellwillring on Dec 30, 2015 13:00:48 GMT -5
The production is great, the mastering is a completely different story though.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 30, 2015 16:53:09 GMT -5
The production is great, the mastering is a completely different story though. Owen Morris invented brick walling, and hiss, part of his legend....did you not know that?
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Post by mystoryisgory on Dec 31, 2015 17:26:49 GMT -5
His drumming is one of the positives of the album. Obv. down to personal preferences, I like Alans drumming on BHN, its either different or all that fancy shit is drowned out by Noels Wayne's world guitars ! Alan's drumming on BHN sounds better because he bangs the fuck out of them, probably because he's off his tits on cocaine.
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Post by The Escapist on Dec 31, 2015 17:38:49 GMT -5
Hello Roll With it Hey Now! She's Electric Two pointless instrumentals
All better reasons to dislike Morning Glory than Alan's brilliant drumming.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2015 17:41:35 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2015 17:55:18 GMT -5
Hello Roll With it Hey Now! She's Electric Two pointless instrumentals All better reasons to dislike Morning Glory than Alan's brilliant drumming. Id probably swap out hey now and and shes electric for rockin chair and underneath sky for an even more awesome album.
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Post by The Escapist on Dec 31, 2015 18:01:16 GMT -5
Hello Roll With it Hey Now! She's Electric Two pointless instrumentals All better reasons to dislike Morning Glory than Alan's brilliant drumming. Id probably swap out hey now and and shes electric for rockin chair and underneath sky for an even more awesome album. 1. Acquiesce 2. Some Might Say 3. Wonderwall 4. Don't Look Back in Anger 5. Headshrinker 6. Talk Tonight 7. Cast No Shadow 8. The Masterplan 9. She's Electric 10. Morning Glory 11. Champagne Supernova I know I've put She's Electric on but I think it works a lot better in this context where the lower quality tracks are at least mentionable in the same breath as the higher, unlike the uneven feel of the original tracklist.
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Post by World71R on Dec 31, 2015 22:36:51 GMT -5
Id probably swap out hey now and and shes electric for rockin chair and underneath sky for an even more awesome album. 1. Acquiesce 2. Some Might Say 3. Wonderwall 4. Don't Look Back in Anger 5. Headshrinker 6. Talk Tonight 7. Cast No Shadow 8. The Masterplan 9. She's Electric 10. Morning Glory 11. Champagne Supernova I know I've put She's Electric on but I think it works a lot better in this context where the lower quality tracks are at least mentionable in the same breath as the higher, unlike the uneven feel of the original tracklist. I think those changes make it a different type of an album than what it came out to be. This gives it a little bit more of an edge, especially with the addition of Headshrinker, and makes it less of a "perfect pop album", in some ways by taking out two jangle-y songs, Hello and Roll With It, and the interludes. I like your idea, but I have to respectfully disagree. Some of these songs wouldn't transition into each other all that well imo. SMS at track two, with WW to follow, seems like it would be a little awkward, considering SMS ends with a fade-out and WW starts right away. I also think that CNS to CS was a smooth area of the album where everything fell well into each, and I would not change that. Although, the transitions from TT to CNS and TM and SE are quite good ideas.
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Post by The Escapist on Dec 31, 2015 22:59:04 GMT -5
1. Acquiesce 2. Some Might Say 3. Wonderwall 4. Don't Look Back in Anger 5. Headshrinker 6. Talk Tonight 7. Cast No Shadow 8. The Masterplan 9. She's Electric 10. Morning Glory 11. Champagne Supernova I know I've put She's Electric on but I think it works a lot better in this context where the lower quality tracks are at least mentionable in the same breath as the higher, unlike the uneven feel of the original tracklist. I think those changes make it a different type of an album than what it came out to be. This gives it a little bit more of an edge, especially with the addition of Headshrinker, and makes it less of a "perfect pop album", in some ways by taking out two jangle-y songs, Hello and Roll With It, and the interludes. I like your idea, but I have to respectfully disagree. Some of these songs wouldn't transition into each other all that well imo. SMS at track two, with WW to follow, seems like it would be a little awkward, considering SMS ends with a fade-out and WW starts right away. I also think that CNS to CS was a smooth area of the album where everything fell well into each, and I would not change that. Although, the transitions from TT to CNS and TM and SE are quite good ideas. Actually I think Some Might Say leads into Wonderwall quite well, the extended fade out kind of gets punctuated by the opening guitar sequence. If Oasis had released this version, I think it would quite comfortably be their best album. As you say though it's a lot less pop than the real Morning Glory, which I'm fine with personally. I never consider Morning Glory a "perfect pop album" as its got quite a few skippable tracks IMO, so I'd much rather have a more consistent, rockier album. There's no way Acquiesce, The Masterplan, Talk Tonight or even Headshrinker don't deserve to be album tracks - especially when the bottom-half (quality wise) of the real Morning Glory is so mediocre (IMO).
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Post by Aman on Jan 1, 2016 2:06:55 GMT -5
Hey Now is class ffs.
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Post by World71R on Jan 1, 2016 2:17:29 GMT -5
I think those changes make it a different type of an album than what it came out to be. This gives it a little bit more of an edge, especially with the addition of Headshrinker, and makes it less of a "perfect pop album", in some ways by taking out two jangle-y songs, Hello and Roll With It, and the interludes. I like your idea, but I have to respectfully disagree. Some of these songs wouldn't transition into each other all that well imo. SMS at track two, with WW to follow, seems like it would be a little awkward, considering SMS ends with a fade-out and WW starts right away. I also think that CNS to CS was a smooth area of the album where everything fell well into each, and I would not change that. Although, the transitions from TT to CNS and TM and SE are quite good ideas. Actually I think Some Might Say leads into Wonderwall quite well, the extended fade out kind of gets punctuated by the opening guitar sequence. If Oasis had released this version, I think it would quite comfortably be their best album. As you say though it's a lot less pop than the real Morning Glory, which I'm fine with personally. I never consider Morning Glory a "perfect pop album" as its got quite a few skippable tracks IMO, so I'd much rather have a more consistent, rockier album. There's no way Acquiesce, The Masterplan, Talk Tonight or even Headshrinker don't deserve to be album tracks - especially when the bottom-half (quality wise) of the real Morning Glory is so mediocre (IMO). Some of the lesser tracks on the album are still definitely worth a listen, though. RWI is feel-good fun with some lyrics that promote individuality, She's Electric is a whimsical sort of pop tune that is a lot of fun also, and Hey Now! could've been better as being just a short 3:40 song, but it possesses a great deal of lyrical quality and has one of the strongest meanings of any song on the album imo. I think that it, along with SE, had their place on the album, but I do agree that Acquiesce, The Masterplan, Talk Tonight, and Headshrinker had a place on an Oasis studio album, also. However, I don't think that Headshrinker fits in with the grandiose, pop nature that dominated this era. I think it was better suited for DM, if anything, with how it has that youthful, punk spirit that oozes into the sound. I think that the first two had a place on MG, without a doubt, because of how they are just simply some of the best Oasis songs ever, but I think TT isn't quite on that level. Not to mention, if you added that song in with Acquiesce and TM, you're up to 3 1/2 Noel-sung songs on the album. I think that's a little too high, especially considering they also had Round Are Way, Rockin' Chair, Underneath the Sky in their arsenal for Liam-sung B-sides that could've gone on the album, instead, plus the other tracks on the official release.
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Post by World71R on Jan 1, 2016 2:34:04 GMT -5
I'd have an alternate MG like this:
1. Hello 2. Acquiesce 3. Wonderwall 4. Don't Look Back in Anger 5. Hey Now! (shortened) --The Swamp Song Excerpt #1-- 6. Some Might Say 7. Cast No Shadow 8. The Masterplan 9. She's Electric 10. Morning Glory --The Swamp Song Excerpt #2 11. Champagne Supernova
The two halves are broken up by the first Swamp Song excerpt, and then the second one leads into the grand finale that stands alone from the rest to bring it all down.
Really, though, the track listing on the official release is still great. It's still super fun to listen to and even more fun to play along with on guitar.
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Post by johnwesleyharding on Jan 1, 2016 3:31:57 GMT -5
Alan's drumming! It's too fucking fancy. All those fucking half beats and shit. I prefer thundersticks McCarroll on DM. THANKFULLY Alan didn't fuck up on BHN!! I'm fairly certain the "thundersticks" on Definitely Maybe are credited to McCarroll but rerecorded by Noel Gallagher. I recall an interview of Noel admitting as much which is what led to finding Whitey in the first place. The whole album had to be recorded several times and Tony probably doesn't know his drums didn't make the final cut. He did a nice job live (at least from me watching it on Live By the Sea, I never saw him drum in person).
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 1, 2016 3:56:19 GMT -5
I'm not going to defend WTSMG. It's a fantastic album, it doesn't need that.
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Post by b3dd3rs on Jan 1, 2016 4:58:12 GMT -5
As if 'hate' and 'WTSMG' should ever be in the same sentence. To the OP, I think it's time to take stock; of where you are, where you're going in life and of the infinite - indisputable - rightfully accepted and holistic understanding of rank and order of decency that is the usual universal rule - and of those amongst us with an appreciation and, indeed, unquestionable reverance of all things worthy - and then, THEN, I may listen.
But for now - FOR NOW - I will reserve judgement; both for the subjective and objective.
Lord - what a conundrum.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jan 1, 2016 5:58:04 GMT -5
Hello Roll With it Hey Now! She's ElectricTwo pointless instrumentals All better reasons to dislike Morning Glory than Alan's brilliant drumming. All great songs.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 1, 2016 6:22:22 GMT -5
If you don't like this album I feel bad for you son, I've got 99 problems but this album ain't one!
(I swear this is a joke, a very bad one too)
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Jan 1, 2016 6:54:39 GMT -5
Roll With It is dismissed way to often in imaginary tracklists. It's a little boneheaded (eatmypun) but it's a better pop song than anything from the Be Here Now era.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jan 1, 2016 7:23:42 GMT -5
Roll With It is dismissed way to often in imaginary tracklists. It's a little boneheaded (eatmypun) but it's a better pop song than anything from the Be Here Now era. I admit I do usually keep it off there myself, for my own imaginary tracklistings, but that's just because there are sooooooooo many other poppy tunes to pick from. You've got Wonderwall and DLBIA and She's Electric obviously, and I always put The Masterplan on there as well. You get to the point where it's just like, 'I need something that DOESN'T have a massive, instantly recognisable chorus', so I usually put Headshrinker on to offset all the pop tunes, and basically so it doesn't feel quite so much like a greatest hits album.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 7:27:42 GMT -5
Alternate tracklists for Morning Glory?! Are you out of your mind?
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jan 1, 2016 7:32:00 GMT -5
Alternate tracklists for Morning Glory?! Are you out of your mind? As it is, I think Morning Glory is the second best album ever made. With The Masterplan on it, it'd've been the absolute best.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 7:34:47 GMT -5
Alternate tracklists for Morning Glory?! Are you out of your mind? As it is, I think Morning Glory is the second best album ever made. With The Masterplan on it, it'd've been the absolute best. What is the best ?? ^^
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