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Post by dyinglight94 on Oct 23, 2015 18:00:37 GMT -5
Another random question from me, but hey, I like knowing these things. Aside, I've always wondered for a while if Noel has ever cleared the air with both The Real People and Inspiral Carpets. Last time I read an interview with The Real People from ages ago, they seemed to imply that there's still some friction over the fact that they were hardly credited with some tunes they contributed to on 'Definitely Maybe'. Alongside that, a lot of their stuff on the Definitely Maybe DVD documentary was edited down to make it look like there was never any sort of quarrels between them and Oasis.
On the otherhand, after reading Tony McCarroll's book, it's also got me wondering if Noel ever settled things with the Inspirals? I read in that book that things were pretty tense between Noel and the Inspirals after Noel was kicked out from the roadie job he once had with them, before he joined up with Oasis. 'vagina Boom' was a personal highlight in that book ha. Just wondering, does anyone know anything? Cheers.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2015 18:17:22 GMT -5
I thought Noel quit as a roadie because the tour was finished and he got into Oasis. I never knew he was fired
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Post by dyinglight94 on Oct 23, 2015 18:47:47 GMT -5
I thought Noel quit as a roadie because the tour was finished and he got into Oasis. I never knew he was fired I'm just assuming he was. He wasn't particularly fond of them afterwards, according to Tony's book. Thought I read elsewhere that he was fired or something, but I can't remember. Perhaps I've got it wrong. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Oct 23, 2015 19:47:23 GMT -5
I thought Noel quit as a roadie because the tour was finished and he got into Oasis. I never knew he was fired I'm just assuming he was. He wasn't particularly fond of them afterwards, according to Tony's book. Thought I read elsewhere that he was fired or something, but I can't remember. Perhaps I've got it wrong. The road crew were let go in around 1992 IIRC including Mark Coyle and Noel Gallagher as part of a "cleaning up" image officially due to excessive drug use in general by all. It's could also be due in part to the decline in sales, etc. of the Inspirals and the need to make savings like any other business, although that is purely conjecture on my part. I know Tom Hingley was quite bitter towards Noel in interviews over the last few years, but he's also the same to his ex-bandmates, so I think with him it's more a feeling that he should have had that kind of success, although again only my opinion. Clint Boon has appeared in several Oasis features and has always appeared complimentary towards Noel and the band as a whole. The Real People (Chris & Tony Griffiths) are prevented from saying too much IIRC due to out of court settlements relating to publishing rights over early Oasis songs, which includes a 10% share of Rockin' Chair. I don't know their true feelings on Noel but if half of what is rumoured is true I wouldn't blame them for still being bitter, although as always there are two sides to a story, particularly in court room situations  |
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Post by mkoasis on Oct 23, 2015 20:22:24 GMT -5
I'm just assuming he was. He wasn't particularly fond of them afterwards, according to Tony's book. Thought I read elsewhere that he was fired or something, but I can't remember. Perhaps I've got it wrong. The road crew were let go in around 1992 IIRC including Mark Coyle and Noel Gallagher as part of a "cleaning up" image officially due to excessive drug use in general by all. It's could also be due in part to the decline in sales, etc. of the Inspirals and the need to make savings like any other business, although that is purely conjecture on my part. I know Tom Hingley was quite bitter towards Noel in interviews over the last few years, but he's also the same to his ex-bandmates, so I think with him it's more a feeling that he should have had that kind of success, although again only my opinion. Clint Boon has appeared in several Oasis features and has always appeared complimentary towards Noel and the band as a whole. The Real People (Chris & Tony Griffiths) are prevented from saying too much IIRC due to out of court settlements relating to publishing rights over early Oasis songs, which includes a 10% share of Rockin' Chair. I don't know their true feelings on Noel but if half of what is rumoured is true I wouldn't blame them for still being bitter, although as always there are two sides to a story, particularly in court room situations This is consistent with what I know as well. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Oct 23, 2015 21:44:23 GMT -5
I'm just assuming he was. He wasn't particularly fond of them afterwards, according to Tony's book. Thought I read elsewhere that he was fired or something, but I can't remember. Perhaps I've got it wrong. The road crew were let go in around 1992 IIRC including Mark Coyle and Noel Gallagher as part of a "cleaning up" image officially due to excessive drug use in general by all. It's could also be due in part to the decline in sales, etc. of the Inspirals and the need to make savings like any other business, although that is purely conjecture on my part. I know Tom Hingley was quite bitter towards Noel in interviews over the last few years, but he's also the same to his ex-bandmates, so I think with him it's more a feeling that he should have had that kind of success, although again only my opinion. Clint Boon has appeared in several Oasis features and has always appeared complimentary towards Noel and the band as a whole. The Real People (Chris & Tony Griffiths) are prevented from saying too much IIRC due to out of court settlements relating to publishing rights over early Oasis songs, which includes a 10% share of Rockin' Chair. I don't know their true feelings on Noel but if half of what is rumoured is true I wouldn't blame them for still being bitter, although as always there are two sides to a story, particularly in court room situations Is it ex bandmates anymore? Inspiral Carpets released an album last year. It was okay. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Oct 23, 2015 21:52:53 GMT -5
The road crew were let go in around 1992 IIRC including Mark Coyle and Noel Gallagher as part of a "cleaning up" image officially due to excessive drug use in general by all. It's could also be due in part to the decline in sales, etc. of the Inspirals and the need to make savings like any other business, although that is purely conjecture on my part. I know Tom Hingley was quite bitter towards Noel in interviews over the last few years, but he's also the same to his ex-bandmates, so I think with him it's more a feeling that he should have had that kind of success, although again only my opinion. Clint Boon has appeared in several Oasis features and has always appeared complimentary towards Noel and the band as a whole. The Real People (Chris & Tony Griffiths) are prevented from saying too much IIRC due to out of court settlements relating to publishing rights over early Oasis songs, which includes a 10% share of Rockin' Chair. I don't know their true feelings on Noel but if half of what is rumoured is true I wouldn't blame them for still being bitter, although as always there are two sides to a story, particularly in court room situations Is it ex bandmates anymore? Inspiral Carpets released an album last year. It was okay. Yes Hingley left for the second time in 2011, he was replaced by original vocalist Stephen Holt. Hingley was vocalist at their peak from 1989-95 and again in 2003-11 but was a replacement himself for an original member. |
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Post by LDD- Angelic Child on Oct 25, 2015 11:35:50 GMT -5
Noel left the roadie job and I believe sent them a letter of resignation 'Cool as' headed paper (can't find the image anymore).
The version I have heard is that Hingley was pushed out of the Inspirals the second time around. A few months ago he was at Aziz Abrahim's birthday a few months back and bumped into Liam there. As far as I am aware, the relationship with the rest of the Inspirals has improved and a reunion hasn't been ruled out. No word on things with Noel.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Oct 25, 2015 11:44:05 GMT -5
Does Noel ever get along with the musicians he's attached to? The Real People, Inspiral Carpets, Oasis, Amorphous Androgynous....Always seems to turn sour.
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Post by joladella on Oct 25, 2015 12:19:25 GMT -5
I have been listening to Clint Boon's radio show he had on XFM sometimes and he was always happy to play Oasis and NGHFB.
But a few days ago Craig Gill posted a quote from a Noel interview about the first Oasis gig with him and sent to to Bonehead via Twitter, hinting that Noel was either misremembering or lying. Sadly, he deleted it shortly afterwards, so I have no idea what he meant by that.
But on yet another hand, there is a quote from Noel's in the liner notes of the reissue of the Carpets' debut album, a pretty nice one.
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Post by Noeldemort on Oct 25, 2015 12:29:04 GMT -5
He was fired due to some behavior problem.
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Post by 280981 on Oct 25, 2015 16:10:13 GMT -5
Didn't Clint Boon introduce Noel on Stage (or something to that effect) at the acoustic gig at the Lowry in Salford in 2006? I seem to remember hearing Noel dedicating Talk Tonight to him.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Oct 25, 2015 16:38:30 GMT -5
Noel left the roadie job and I believe sent them a letter of resignation 'Cool as' headed paper (can't find the image anymore). The version I have heard is that Hingley was pushed out of the Inspirals the second time around. A few months ago he was at Aziz Abrahim's birthday a few months back and bumped into Liam there. As far as I am aware, the relationship with the rest of the Inspirals has improved and a reunion hasn't been ruled out. No word on things with Noel. Interesting as at the time Hingley tweeted in 2011 that the Inspirals had split up, forcing Clint to deny that. He was also saying quite delusional things about how the original singer couldn't possibly follow his act, etc. though in fairness he was probably raw from his dismissal. Hope they have as even if they don't reunite as performers bad blood never gets you anywhere when it's not a life and death matter (Although in some cases music is!!   ) |
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Post by zatine87 on Oct 26, 2015 10:34:36 GMT -5
Didn't Clint Boon introduce Noel on Stage (or something to that effect) at the acoustic gig at the Lowry in Salford in 2006? I seem to remember hearing Noel dedicating Talk Tonight to him. Yep. |
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Oct 28, 2015 18:54:29 GMT -5
Tom Hingley came into my university last year to do a lecture. He was so bitter about Noel to the point he was coming out with laughable quotes. "They'd be no Noel Gallagher, no Oasis without us", "oasis were as manufactured as One Direction".
The man is a joke. A washed up joke. I know it must be hard to accept you have been kicked out of a band and the roadie you treated like shit became one of the biggest British rock stars ever but show some respect and decoram.
You know when you meet someone and they believe they are just so much better than they are? That's Tom Hingley.
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Post by Cast on Oct 28, 2015 22:37:28 GMT -5
Tom Hingley came into my university last year to do a lecture. He was so bitter about Noel to the point he was coming out with laughable quotes. "They'd be no Noel Gallagher, no Oasis without us", "oasis were as manufactured as One Direction". The man is a joke. A washed up joke. I know it must be hard to accept you have been kicked out of a band and the roadie you treated like shit became one of the biggest British rock stars ever but show some respect and decoram. You know when you meet someone and they believe they are just so much better than they are? That's Tom Hingley. Being butthurt is never good, but still being butthurt over 20 years later. Damn that's kinda sad. I think it's pretty obvious that Noel is a great songwriter and like everyone else whose made it big he had a bunch of people around him when they started that helped shape his artistic identity. People who were connected in the industry/scene such as these two bands.The best stuff from either of these bands doesn't even come close to the highs that Noel's song reach. |
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Post by mossy on Oct 30, 2015 18:42:27 GMT -5
The greatest firing story in rock 'n' roll history has to go to Jimi Hendrix - discharged from the army for being caught masturbating on duty...
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Post by guigsysEstring on Oct 30, 2015 23:10:47 GMT -5
The greatest firing story in rock 'n' roll history has to go to Jimi Hendrix - discharged from the army for being caught masturbating on duty... He fired his bolt then got fired....yeah ok I'll get my coat  |
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Post by andymorris on Oct 31, 2015 10:28:33 GMT -5
I suppose those people are bitter because he was under them and became a huge star, they didn't.
Lack of talent bring the worst in people, often. Plus they dont seem too smart if you ask me.
As for the Real People, if they did contributed to the songs, they should get credits and the money that goes with it.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 31, 2015 11:21:38 GMT -5
I suppose those people are bitter because he was under them and became a huge star, they didn't. Lack of talent bring the worst in people, often. Plus they dont seem too smart if you ask me. As for the Real People, if they did contributed to the songs, they should get credits and the money that goes with it. Agree with all of this. I can totally imagine those bands who first saw Noel as some roadie junkie felt very frustrated when after years of hard work they got nowhere and Noel pumped out one #1 album and hitsong after another. That must have been pretty bad for their ego's. In the end HE wrote the songs himself though, and most of them without any help or plagiarism claims. If bands like The Real People, who he "took songs from" were so amazing, how come they never got anywhere? I do believe they may have been screwed over a bit, but I've always wondered how much of it was true. Jealousy and frustration had probably clouded their judgement and the truth a bit, but on the other hand Noel would probably not admit it either if it were true, but I'm not sure about that. |
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Oct 31, 2015 13:08:49 GMT -5
Hingley was also very critical about Noel lying about how Oasis came to fame. He is admimant Noel knew McGee while he was roadie and the Scotland gig story is a complete fairytale. He said he dated as many secretaries and people in higher places in the music industry to get contacts too.
Just adds to the genius of Noel in my opinion. I don't think many of us believe the Glasgow story anyway.
As for Real People, like its already been said, if they were that good they'd have made as good or better songs than Noel. They haven't. Its like a man at a computer shop claiming credit for showing Steve Jobs the way around the PC section on his first week of work.
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Post by andymorris on Oct 31, 2015 14:46:15 GMT -5
Hingley was also very critical about Noel lying about how Oasis came to fame. He is admimant Noel knew McGee while he was roadie and the Scotland gig story is a complete fairytale. He said he dated as many secretaries and people in higher places in the music industry to get contacts too. Just adds to the genius of Noel in my opinion. I don't think many of us believe the Glasgow story anyway. Agree, the Glasgow story is 99% bullshit. I suppose Noel did all he could to make it, and who could blame him, from where they came from... And that means getting to know the right people. We all know music industry is not as simple as : Your good = You get signed. There's probably countless of great songwriter we wont ever hear about because of that side of the music business. I do believe they may have been screwed over a bit, but I've always wondered how much of it was true. Jealousy and frustration had probably clouded their judgement and the truth a bit, but on the other hand Noel would probably not admit it either if it were true, but I'm not sure about that. I guess every bit Noel has nicked, we heard already : eg Dont Go Away bit, Columbia and Rockin' Chair, that's about it i think. If there were more, those guys would have sued him for millions. They probably helped shape some songs, but that's producing, and we're back to the AA debate. Just saw this from Facebook, quite accurate   |
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Oct 31, 2015 15:54:11 GMT -5
I always loved the way Noel "used" lyrics and melodies in the 90s. It was simply genius. Take the Dont Go Away chorus for example. To take those lyrics and put them in an amazing melody is just brilliant.
It still showcases his talent. I just think he had less of a musical horizon back then, so in his lack of experience he stole for much of the same sources. Now he is an accomplished and experienced songwriter he doesn't need to delve into those sort of avenues.
He's the chief
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Post by guigsysEstring on Oct 31, 2015 19:19:00 GMT -5
Hingley was also very critical about Noel lying about how Oasis came to fame. He is admimant Noel knew McGee while he was roadie and the Scotland gig story is a complete fairytale. He said he dated as many secretaries and people in higher places in the music industry to get contacts too. Just adds to the genius of Noel in my opinion. I don't think many of us believe the Glasgow story anyway. I suppose Noel did all he could to make it, and who could blame him, from where they came from... And that means getting to know the right people. We all know music industry is not as simple as : Your good = You get signed. There's probably countless of great songwriter we wont ever hear about because of that side of the music business. I do believe they may have been screwed over a bit, but I've always wondered how much of it was true. Jealousy and frustration had probably clouded their judgement and the truth a bit, but on the other hand Noel would probably not admit it either if it were true, but I'm not sure about that. I guess every bit Noel has nicked, we heard already : eg Dont Go Away bit, Columbia and Rockin' Chair, that's about it i think. If there were more, those guys would have sued him for millions. They probably helped shape some songs, but that's producing, and we're back to the AA debate. Just saw this from Facebook, quite accurate The only time McGee confirmed he had met Noel before King Tut's was in the story of Creation Records book "Magpies Eyes..." where he met him in 1989 at Reading Festival as the boyfriend of a Creation Records cleaner called Hannah. According to McGee it was a a brief hello and small talk and that was it. That year incidentally was the birth of Reading as an Indie based festival having previously been a proper piss soaked rock and metal affair that had been dwindling in attendance each year. McGee was there in a professional capacity as the manager of House of Love, a former Creation band then signed to Fontana, as well as seeing minor Creation artists perform. I think Hingley's attempts at a Glasgow connection stem from Noel's fellow ex-roadie Mark Coyle who was a live sound engineer for Creation Records signed Teenage Fanclub and knew McGee professionally. This of course only proves that McGee knew someone who knew Noel, rather than him actually knowing Noel before 1993. The only other tenuous connection that McGee had to Oasis was knowing Debbie Turner whose band "Sister Lovers" shared a rehearsal room at the Boardwalk with Oasis, but again all parties have said that McGee knew her and used to go up to Manchester for house parties during his drug taking and partying days rather than for signing new bands. As for the songwriting claims from The Real People they have had settlements in the past as you mentioned but have never brought another claim since. This could be because the legal settlement in the past was full and final, meaning no future claims, but saying that if you were the Realies and thought you had more songs you could sue over why would you agree to an early settlement? I wonder if they have overstated the thefts somewhat as they got a settlement and 10% of Rockin' Chair's publishing/writing credits from the unheard "Growlin' Old", when Neil Innes got half of Whatever, which makes me wonder how little he may have really taken from them. As always not a definite fact but worth a thought I think bearing in mind how history between them has played out. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Nov 2, 2015 23:21:26 GMT -5
I have been listening to Clint Boon's radio show he had on XFM sometimes and he was always happy to play Oasis and NGHFB. But a few days ago Craig Gill posted a quote from a Noel interview about the first Oasis gig with him and sent to to Bonehead via Twitter, hinting that Noel was either misremembering or lying. Sadly, he deleted it shortly afterwards, so I have no idea what he meant by that. But on yet another hand, there is a quote from Noel's in the liner notes of the reissue of the Carpets' debut album, a pretty nice one. Not sure about the tweet but he talks about Noel as well as The Smiths in this piece for the MEN re: his Manchester music tours business. A couple of Noel related anecdotes in there that you may have read before, though the Noel not becoming singer has of the Inspirals story a slightly different take from Mr Gill- MEN Craig Gill |
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