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Post by oasisserbia on Nov 8, 2016 13:04:08 GMT -5
THERE WE WERE
NOW HERE WE ARE
YEAH YEAH YEAH!!!
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Post by matt on Nov 8, 2016 13:13:05 GMT -5
The hysteria and panic over the likely prospect of a Clinton presidency is beyond belief, even here in the UK. 'Evil', 'tyrannical' 'despotic' - get a grip. She's not going to destroy the planet or America. In fact, she will be a relatively competent President if we are to rate competency on the basis of who has gone before. For all the media narrative of the last year that she is some tyrannical mad woman, it really doesn't take much effort to look into her past record, of which has barely been mentioned in this mudslinging election and that seems to have gone over peoples heads. The facts are all over the internet, and use that to make your mind up rather than pathetic innuendo concerning her kicking off WWIII or being crooked. For sure, a woman who has been in the public eye for so long and have a long public record like herself is immediately going to draw questions over the aspects of her career that she has failed on. But her Senate record is impressive on health care, immigration, teachers, veterans, or as First Lady, providing poor women and children with Health Insurance.It's absolutely infantile to paint broad brushstrokes for Clinton as if everything about her is terrible. There has been absolutely no nuance in any debate involving her capabilities or qualifications to run for President, and instead we've been subjected to immature and student-like sanctimonious posturing from those who are quick to despise everything about the USA, which has been complicit in allowing wankers like Trump off the hook. Her Senate record has also been more effective at securing amendments to Republican bills than even Bernie Sanders whose influence was negligible. She has voted the way big labour unions wanted 95% of the time, and on social liberal policies 90% of the time. All in all, a very capable Democrat which is why Sanders, Obama, Biden and co are all endorsing for her. It's an insult to common decency that anyone would think 'Trump is better' or that Clinton is as bad. She has a record to run on and promote (and defend from its mistakes inevitably) and that is far more than can be said of her genuinely disturbed opponent. This is hardly the pro-Clinton argument that should be made.Like you, I don't believe she will drive us to WWIII or anything. That said, her political record is the whole reason why she hasn't blown The Donald out of the race. Aside from her less-than-favorable Senate record... she absolutely failed as Sec. of State. Even Dems think she tanked that position badly. I'm not a Trump apologist, and I don't hate Hillary like most people. In the end, someone WILL be elected, but NO one is winning here. ----- Out of curiosity, being a Brit, why do you feel so passionately about this election? I'm not sure how 8 years of her achievements as Senator counts for nothing and that your only retort is a mere 'this isn't an argument that should be made' (err, well what should then?) and that everything counts towards her Sec of State record (aside from the fact she had a high approval rating when she left). I don't personally believe she was a great Sec of State, primarily because she avoided the serious diplomacy of Kerry. Maybe there won't be any winners, but there's no doubt that there will be more losers under Trump than Clinton. And my interest in US politics stems from the fact that as a Scot, Trump has terrorised local Aberdeenshire folk and destroyed a coastline by building a golf course that has brought absolutely no economic or communitarian benefits, and I studied an Msc Political Communication degree on critical discourse in American politics so I'm just naturally interested in it.
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Post by Let It🩸 on Nov 8, 2016 14:28:13 GMT -5
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Post by batfink30 on Nov 8, 2016 14:44:40 GMT -5
Trump files lawsuit in NV because polling stations were kept open beyond closing time when people were in the queue. Lol.
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Post by matt on Nov 8, 2016 14:48:28 GMT -5
Trump files lawsuit in NV because polling stations were kept open beyond closing time when people were in the queue. Lol. Starting to get his excuses in early I see.
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Post by Manualex on Nov 8, 2016 15:05:28 GMT -5
peeking in the bathroom is a big no-no
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2016 15:22:09 GMT -5
Trump files lawsuit in NV because polling stations were kept open beyond closing time when people were in the queue. Lol. Source? I ask only because polling places in NV should not be closing anytime soon... it's barely noon there.
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Post by batfink30 on Nov 8, 2016 15:34:06 GMT -5
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Post by World71R on Nov 8, 2016 16:47:04 GMT -5
Haven't looked to see if anyone else has hoyed this up already but it's been in my head since I woke up and fairly relevant for the next 24 hours or so... That's a perfect choice. This one's another good one: "Ready for the gridlock, I'm ready to take it to the street..I'm ready for the shuffle, ready for the deal, ready to let go of the steering wheel"
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Post by spaneli on Nov 8, 2016 17:09:05 GMT -5
The hysteria and panic over the likely prospect of a Clinton presidency is beyond belief, even here in the UK. 'Evil', 'tyrannical' 'despotic' - get a grip. She's not going to destroy the planet or America. In fact, she will be a relatively competent President if we are to rate competency on the basis of who has gone before. For all the media narrative of the last year that she is some tyrannical mad woman, it really doesn't take much effort to look into her past record, of which has barely been mentioned in this mudslinging election and that seems to have gone over peoples heads. The facts are all over the internet, and use that to make your mind up rather than pathetic innuendo concerning her kicking off WWIII or being crooked. For sure, a woman who has been in the public eye for so long and have a long public record like herself is immediately going to draw questions over the aspects of her career that she has failed on. But her Senate record is impressive on health care, immigration, teachers, veterans, or as First Lady, providing poor women and children with Health Insurance.It's absolutely infantile to paint broad brushstrokes for Clinton as if everything about her is terrible. There has been absolutely no nuance in any debate involving her capabilities or qualifications to run for President, and instead we've been subjected to immature and student-like sanctimonious posturing from those who are quick to despise everything about the USA, which has been complicit in allowing wankers like Trump off the hook. Her Senate record has also been more effective at securing amendments to Republican bills than even Bernie Sanders whose influence was negligible. She has voted the way big labour unions wanted 95% of the time, and on social liberal policies 90% of the time. All in all, a very capable Democrat which is why Sanders, Obama, Biden and co are all endorsing for her. It's an insult to common decency that anyone would think 'Trump is better' or that Clinton is as bad. She has a record to run on and promote (and defend from its mistakes inevitably) and that is far more than can be said of her genuinely disturbed opponent. This is hardly the pro-Clinton argument that should be made. Like you, I don't believe she will drive us to WWIII or anything. That said, her political record is the whole reason why she hasn't blown The Donald out of the race. Aside from her less-than-favorable Senate record... she absolutely failed as Sec. of State. Even Dems think she tanked that position badly. I'm not a Trump apologist, and I don't hate Hillary like most people. In the end, someone WILL be elected, but NO one is winning here. ----- Out of curiosity, being a Brit, why do you feel so passionately about this election? I don't think Dems think that tbh. There were very few complaints of her as Secretary of State until Benghazi happened. Most of the Benghazi mudslinging happened because of Republicans trying to drive down Obama's favorabilities. However, what few noticed is that Obama has barely been mentioned in relation to Benghazi. Instead, the focus shifted toward Clinton once it became clear that it was something that bring down one of her main qualifications to be President. In the end, the hearings for Benghazi concluded nothing, but the damage was done to her. Kerry and Clinton are pretty much the same person. They're both extremely hawkish left wingers. The Obama camp didn't like that. She was known to clash with Obama internally, with some thinking it might have been a hold over from the campaign. The two did work relatively well together, and she was one of the more sought after advisers in his Administration. But there has never been any question that she was a more than competent Secretary of State.
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Post by matt on Nov 8, 2016 17:25:26 GMT -5
Trump crew concerned about performance in Pennsylvania and North Carolina.
I'll say.... 320 for Clinton. At the least.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Nov 8, 2016 17:32:31 GMT -5
I just got in for the night. Fox News is booted up, and I'm ready to go.
Logic says Clinton's presidency as Trump has too much to do, but you just never quite know....
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Post by batfink30 on Nov 8, 2016 17:42:54 GMT -5
Alex Jones' Infowars live stream is on, let's get this show on the road!
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Post by spaneli on Nov 8, 2016 17:46:09 GMT -5
I just got in for the night. Fox News is booted up, and I'm ready to go. Logic says Clinton's presidency as Trump has too much to do, but you just never quite know.... Would say the same. A lot has to go right for Trump. Clinton has a larger margin of error. I believe that we'll know by 10 or 11, or whenever Florida gets called. Clinton can afford to lose Florida, but Trump cannot. If Clinton comes away with Florida, it will take a couple pretty big upsets in the midwest to tip the scale back to Trump.
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Post by batfink30 on Nov 8, 2016 17:51:41 GMT -5
Bitte Nicht Den HORROR CLOWN!
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Post by Manualex on Nov 8, 2016 17:51:57 GMT -5
*USA ELECTION UPDATE* Donald Trump - 22.4% Hilary Clinton - 16.6% Hugo Chavez - 61.1% Fuente: CNE
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Nov 8, 2016 17:55:18 GMT -5
Alex Jones' Infowars live stream is on, let's get this show on the road!
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Post by batfink30 on Nov 8, 2016 17:56:06 GMT -5
Alex Jones' Infowars live stream is on, let's get this show on the road! Top quality entertainment!
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Nov 8, 2016 18:01:29 GMT -5
THERE WE WERE
NOW HERE WE ARE
YEAH YEAH YEAH!!!
SHITBAG
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Post by batfink30 on Nov 8, 2016 18:04:53 GMT -5
THERE WE WERE
NOW HERE WE ARE
YEAH YEAH YEAH!!!
SHITBAG President Shitbag to you!
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Nov 8, 2016 18:07:30 GMT -5
I just got in for the night. Fox News is booted up, and I'm ready to go. Logic says Clinton's presidency as Trump has too much to do, but you just never quite know.... Would say the same. A lot has to go right for Trump. Clinton has a larger margin of error. I believe that we'll know by 10 or 11, or whenever Florida gets called. Clinton can afford to lose Florida, but Trump cannot. If Clinton comes away with Florida, it will take a couple pretty big upsets in the midwest to tip the scale back to Trump. Agreed. If Florida goes to Clinton, the election is over - you may as well turn it off. Trump has no viable path without FLA.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Nov 8, 2016 18:13:19 GMT -5
If I were running for president, I'd vote for my opponent. That's the cocksure arrogance that would see me elected.
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Post by matt on Nov 8, 2016 18:25:24 GMT -5
I see on social media that Clive Dunn of Dad's Army fame has died.... again.
Just goes to show that anything can happen tonight!
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Nov 8, 2016 18:40:52 GMT -5
President Shitbag to you! I meant OasisSerbia. He's not running for President as well now, is he?! Fuck that. I'd rather Donald Trump be made Leader of the Free World, than someone who thinks Be Here Now is "shit". Imagine what tyranny one who held such heinous views could inflict...
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Post by batfink30 on Nov 8, 2016 18:47:07 GMT -5
I see on social media that Clive Dunn of Dad's Army fame has died.... again. Just goes to show that anything can happen tonight! FUCK 2016!!
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