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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 9:48:25 GMT -5
Some mixed opinions on the elimination thread between these two...
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on May 21, 2015 9:58:54 GMT -5
For me it has to be 'Keep What Ya Got'. It simply feels a more well rounded piece and is a far more enjoyable listen to me.
I was a little surprised so many people (in the context of the vote) have been voting for it to be eliminated, but even more surprised how people seemingly rank 'Teotihuacan'. Don't get me wrong, it's a nice piece, but like I said to The Doctor, is it much more than 7 minutes of repetitive glassy piano work, a drum loop and a rain sample? To it's credit, its one of Noel's most different and atmospheric pieces, but for instrumentals Noel simply isn't the guy I'd look to.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on May 21, 2015 10:28:12 GMT -5
I like both of them. Teotihuacan is a nice instrumental, Keep What You Got is a good poprock song.
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Post by Gas Panic on May 21, 2015 10:29:32 GMT -5
Keep What You Got is by far the better tune. Teotihuacan is ok when it occasionally comes on shuffle but its really repetitive and doesn't really go anywhere.
Had Teotihuacan been on BHN then the album would have been far worse and the shouts of self indulgence by critics would have been even louder, where as Keep What You Got could have been a decent Oasis single in 2004.
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Post by carlober on May 21, 2015 11:19:35 GMT -5
I love both. I agree with The Crimson Rambler when he says that Teotihuacan is "7 minutes of repetitive glassy piano work, a drum loop and a rain sample". That's why I like it: put it on and let your thoughts flow... it doesn't need to catch your attention. It's a very atmospheric, pondering (and somehow slightly menacing) piece of music and it's awesome when you're in the mood. Keep What Ya Got is great too. I'm not the biggest fan of Ian Brown's solo efforts (except for F.E.A.R., which is a cracking tune, and a few others) but this one manages to keep the atmospheric, darker feel of Teotihuacan very well alive. The lyrics are a bit nonsense, but it's more about the overall feel of the song. The video is very good too... it's not much more than Noel walking with a guitar and Ian singing in a horrible jacket, but it fits the song perfectly
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 7:03:33 GMT -5
Well that was a waste of time...
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 7:08:45 GMT -5
I don't really prefer one ahead of the other so I'm just voting to keep the poll even.
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Post by mystoryisgory on May 28, 2015 9:03:07 GMT -5
The difference between Teotihuacan and Keep What Ya Got is that Teotihuacan is by far the most experimental and atmospheric piece of music Noel ever released, while KWYG is just a mediocre, run of the mill, rock song. Teotihuacan proves that Noel is indeed extremely versatile and not just capable of writing one kind of music. It sounds like and is as good as many songs by Radiohead. It's funny to look back and see that Noel was more experimental and daring back in 1999 than he is in 2015!
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Post by Gas Panic on May 28, 2015 15:42:06 GMT -5
When/where was Teotihuacan recorded?
The X Files soundtrack came out in June 1998.
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Post by World71R on May 28, 2015 15:53:15 GMT -5
It's funny to look back and see that Noel was more experimental and daring back in 1999 than he is in 2015! I disagree with that, to a certain point. I think that, while Noel isn't experimenting with a lot of really out there, electronic stuff, or messing with loops and stuff, he's still putting some of that stuff here and there in his works. Just look at What a Life, and how it's pretty much a dance track with rock in its DNA, or The Right Stuff, the intro to While the Song Remains the Same, the little touches that make up the atmosphere of The Dying of the Light, or the electronic bass on In the Heat of the Moment. Sure, the AA project flopped, but I'd still say he's experimental, to a certain degree. Now the daring part, yes, I'd like to see more of that for sure.
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Post by carlober on May 28, 2015 16:09:52 GMT -5
When/where was Teotihuacan recorded? The X Files soundtrack came out in June 1998. This is definitely a question for davidjay and asimarx
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Post by davidjay on May 28, 2015 16:28:02 GMT -5
When/where was Teotihuacan recorded? The X Files soundtrack came out in June 1998. This is definitely a question for davidjay and asimarx I think he recorded it shortly after the Be Here Now tour (after March '98, following the Mexico gigs). I'm not sure where it was recorded though (maybe in his home studio at Supernova Heights?). Perhaps the sleeve notes for the soundtrack album may help on that front. Anyway, the track is mentioned in the epilogue of Paolo Hewitt's second Oasis book, Forever the People (available as an e-book from Wholepoint publications). Here's a quote, copied and pasted from my Kindle.
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Post by World71R on May 28, 2015 17:11:30 GMT -5
To me, all of that seems crazy, considering that Noel had stated he never felt inspired during this time, and that nothing was going right. From what's wrote within those paragraphs, it sounds like they were well on their way to producing a unique fourth album, and not struggling to figure out what to do & in a hangover from BHN, like what has become common knowledge over the years. (Also, I'd be interested in hearing what Guigsy's dub-influenced music would sound like )
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Post by Gas Panic on May 28, 2015 17:11:57 GMT -5
I think he recorded it shortly after the Be Here Now tour (after March '98, following the Mexico gigs). I'm not sure where it was recorded though (maybe in his home studio at Supernova Heights?). Perhaps the sleeve notes for the soundtrack album may help on that front. Anyway, the track is mentioned in the epilogue of Paolo Hewitt's second Oasis book, Forever the People (available as an e-book from Wholepoint publications). Here's a quote, copied and pasted from my Kindle. Just checked the cd booklet. The track was produced and mixed by mark coyle and noel. Recorded, engineered and mixed at air studios, London.
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Post by davidjay on May 28, 2015 17:19:47 GMT -5
Gas Panic thanks for checking the sleeve - great info. Was pleasantly surprised it was recorded at Air, where many tracks from Be Here Now were also recorded.
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Post by Jim on May 29, 2015 1:18:55 GMT -5
There's a demo of it on the 1998 Giants tape from which the Noel sung version of Let's All Make Believe was sourced.
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Post by carlober on May 29, 2015 3:13:06 GMT -5
Probably old news, but I've just discovered that according to the WhoSampled website (http://www.whosampled.com/Noel-Gallagher/Teotihuacan/) Teotihuacan contains samples from this Dr.Dre track: The drum beat sounds suspiciously similar
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Post by matt on May 30, 2015 21:12:06 GMT -5
I think he recorded it shortly after the Be Here Now tour (after March '98, following the Mexico gigs). I'm not sure where it was recorded though (maybe in his home studio at Supernova Heights?). Perhaps the sleeve notes for the soundtrack album may help on that front. Anyway, the track is mentioned in the epilogue of Paolo Hewitt's second Oasis book, Forever the People (available as an e-book from Wholepoint publications). Here's a quote, copied and pasted from my Kindle. Just to add, Noel seemed intent straight after Be Here Now to create mind blowing sonic experimentation. It looks like The X Files caught him at a good time. I read somewhere, and this is fact, that while they were recording Giants, Noel's original ambition and passion for sonic experimentation and 'new music' subsided with Bonehead and Guigsy quitting and he just turned it into a conventional record. A real shame - we can all hear the traces here and there, it's just a shame they never fully formed the idea and inspiration that Teotihaucan provided.
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Post by davidjay on May 31, 2015 17:29:42 GMT -5
Yes, it's interesting to look back to that era, right after BHN and leading up to Giants. I recently listened back to the legendary Evening Session interview (23/10/1997) and towards the end NG plays a Death in Vegas track and talks with Steve about how he'd like to approach the recording process differently for the next album.
I got the impression that, at that point, he wanted a contrast to the huge guitar sound of Be Here Now. I think he says "not that we're going to make a dance album, but I think it'll be more down to how you record it." Earlier in the interview Liam said that they had the songs written but would then "splash a bit of paint on it", giving them a more psychedelic sound.
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Post by mossy on May 31, 2015 18:29:11 GMT -5
In one of Paulo Hewitt's book Noel talks about wanting a different electronic dance act to produce each track on the next album (after BHN).
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Post by andymorris on Jun 1, 2015 8:53:32 GMT -5
The drum beat sounds suspiciously similar Very basic drumbeat... but yea, similar. Anyway, Teotihuacan for me. Keep what you got sounds odd to my hear, never really like it. The guitar tabs on the web is mine, done it in 99... you're welcome
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Post by carryusall on Jun 1, 2015 9:11:34 GMT -5
Teotihuacan is the missing link between BHN and SOTSOG
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Post by theseventwenty on Dec 21, 2019 8:26:57 GMT -5
There's a demo of it on the 1998 Giants tape from which the Noel sung version of Let's All Make Believe was sourced. I’d really like to hear that 😍
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Post by carlober on Dec 21, 2019 10:08:10 GMT -5
There's a demo of it on the 1998 Giants tape from which the Noel sung version of Let's All Make Believe was sourced. I’d really like to hear that 😍 Everyone would like to hear that!
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 21, 2019 12:08:43 GMT -5
Teotihuacan Should have kicked off SOTSOG instead of FITB.
Fits the ambiance of the album better, and is a more interesting instrumental in any case.
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