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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 7:42:40 GMT -5
We all know Liam's next move is VITAL for his musical legacy ( i for one do not think he is retiring ) But noel seems to have taken his place amongst paul weller ,and morrissey / mar in UK legend status ......
And by that I mean even if it bombs , his "street cred " as a musician won't be tarnished .......liam it seems is losing a lot of " cred ". NOT TO ME MIND YOU ....but to many out there .....so in your opinion does noel need to hit one out of the park with this lp , or does he not have the pressure of NEEDING a big album ?
I sorta feel that no matter what this album produces ( be it a hit , dud , or somewhere in middle chart and critic wise ) noel will come out roses and whether he writes a few big hits or not it won't effect public perception , of him as a musician and star ,,,,sorta makes his musical life easier than Liam's because if liam fails in his next attempt , it will get ugly , sadly ...... Any thoughts ?
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Post by mimmihopps on Jan 8, 2015 8:16:18 GMT -5
I'm never intersted in chart and record sell of my favourite bands. The most important thing is if I love an album or not, so what others think (bad or good) doesn't come to the first place for me.
Noel will be succed with his second solo album, but there's still a long way to be able to stand in the same line as Weller and Moz.
Rome wasn't made just in one day. Just sayin.
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Post by Willie T. Soke on Jan 8, 2015 8:19:11 GMT -5
The guy's got like $30 million in the bank....doubt he's worried about it.
And, I'd almost guarantee members on the forum are more concerned with the album's sales and chart positions than Noel is.
Also, his first album was considered a success....not on an Oasis 90's level but good for a near 50 year old solo artist.
I think it comes down to pride - of course Noel wants the album to be well-received but he knows he's great...he seems to have a healthy amount of self-esteem and ego, unlike Liam and many people on this forum.
God bless.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 8:19:14 GMT -5
I'm never intersted in chart and record sell of my favourite bands. The most important thing is if I love an album or not, so what others think (bad or good) doesn't come to the first place for me. Noel will be succed with his second solo album, but there's still a long way to be able to stand in the same line as Weller and Moz. Rome wasn't made just in one day. Just sayin. Oh I could not agree more.  . I am talking though in public perception He now seems to be held in that air ...and WELLER and mar helped that with there support ......I just don't think noel needs a big record. As bad as liam. YA know ? Rome was not built in a day ......but noel whether we like it or not MIMMI is held in that regard when looking t the press clippings |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 8:25:38 GMT -5
The guy's got like $30 million in the bank....doubt he's worried about it. And, I'd almost guarantee members on the forum are more concerned with the album's sales and chart positions than Noel is. Also, his first album was considered a success....not on an Oasis 90's level but good for a near 50 year old solo artist. I think it comes down to pride - of course Noel wants the album to be well-received but he knows he's great...he seems to have a healthy amount of self-esteem and ego, unlike Liam and many people on this forum. God bless. Oh absolutely. That's my point , Noel has no pressure he is minted no legal issues , agreed Was really wondering if it would effect how he is viewed , not how he views himself ....... He nat have gotten savvy but he still don't really care , I love that |
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Post by scott1 on Jan 8, 2015 8:35:32 GMT -5
Even if the new album doesn't meet the standards of his first (I personally think it may exceed them), it won't have any effect on his legacy and status as a musician.
Noel doesn't revolve what he does around commercial success or media praise - remember in the making-of documentary for NGHFB? He says he didnt care if the album never saw the light of day, it was just something he wanted to do.
It'll be a similar story with this one, he has these songs and he feels he's ready to let us hear them too. Whether or not this album is perceived as "successful" will have no effect on when he next wants to make an album.
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Post by Willie T. Soke on Jan 8, 2015 8:36:00 GMT -5
The guy's got like $30 million in the bank....doubt he's worried about it. And, I'd almost guarantee members on the forum are more concerned with the album's sales and chart positions than Noel is. Also, his first album was considered a success....not on an Oasis 90's level but good for a near 50 year old solo artist. I think it comes down to pride - of course Noel wants the album to be well-received but he knows he's great...he seems to have a healthy amount of self-esteem and ego, unlike Liam and many people on this forum. God bless. Oh absolutely. That's my point , Noel has no pressure he is minted no legal issues , agreed Was really wondering if it would effect how he is viewed , not how he views himself ....... He nat have gotten savvy but he still don't really care , I love that Wrong section, by the way.  We need to party some time...we'd definitely get arrested. You know, kill a few hookers and fuck a few midgets. God bless. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 8:40:01 GMT -5
Oh absolutely. That's my point , Noel has no pressure he is minted no legal issues , agreed Was really wondering if it would effect how he is viewed , not how he views himself ....... He nat have gotten savvy but he still don't really care , I love that Wrong section, by the way. We need to party some time...we'd definitely get arrested. You know, kill a few hookers and fuck a few midgets. God bless. Sounds like a plan the arrested part ,I got down pat  |
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Post by Jgrp on Jan 8, 2015 15:19:07 GMT -5
I agree Noel seems to be in this 'cant do no wrong' league. People perceive him as credible, will rate him high and view him on a pedestal no matter what now.
Liam on the other hand could release the best album ever made and people would still diss it and slag him off, call him a cock and go back to listening to Coldplay.
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Post by allingoodtime on Jan 8, 2015 16:55:32 GMT -5
I think its important for several reasons -
1) He's become one of the best (imo THE best) songwriters of all time and needs to keep up his reputation
2) If he fails he'll be criticised, esp after Liam left Beady Eye..I can imagine comments like Oasis would fail in day and age
If he does fail, maybe Oasis will reform..
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Post by sadsong on Jan 8, 2015 17:01:42 GMT -5
I think it is NOT important for the following reasons:
1. He has nothing to prove, he is already a living legend. And this is almost impossible to change.
2. He has a very big number of new younger fans who don't even know his older stuff to compare it to.
3. Lately (since going solo), he has a very good reputation in the British music press which will not get at him, even if the new album dissappoints in any way.
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Post by gdforever on Jan 8, 2015 18:38:38 GMT -5
I agree Noel seems to be in this 'cant do no wrong' league. People perceive him as credible, will rate him high and view him on a pedestal no matter what now. Liam on the other hand could release the best album ever made and people would still diss it and slag him off, call him a cock and go back to listening to Coldplay. Maybe Liam should try that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 18:43:24 GMT -5
I agree Noel seems to be in this 'cant do no wrong' league. People perceive him as credible, will rate him high and view him on a pedestal no matter what now. Liam on the other hand could release the best album ever made and people would still diss it and slag him off, call him a cock and go back to listening to Coldplay. Maybe Liam should try that. Try what  ?? Listen to coldplay why ? |
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Post by jaq515 on Jan 8, 2015 18:45:16 GMT -5
I agree Noel seems to be in this 'cant do no wrong' league. People perceive him as credible, will rate him high and view him on a pedestal no matter what now. Liam on the other hand could release the best album ever made and people would still diss it and slag him off, call him a cock and go back to listening to Coldplay. Maybe Liam should try that. haha!! That is true.. liam release that best ever album so we can debate this fact please |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 18:54:10 GMT -5
Jim jaq515 I create a thread basically praising noel , ju st asking how important it is to PUBLIC perception .....and yet some need to BASH LIAM #TEAMGAMESNEVERFADEAWAY ..........SADLY Jim glad you caught the sarcasm
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Post by jaq515 on Jan 8, 2015 19:03:29 GMT -5
Jim jaq515 I create a thread basically praising noel , ju st asking how important it is to PUBLIC perception .....and yet some need to BASH LIAM #TEAMGAMESNEVERFADEAWAY ..........SADLY Jim glad you caught the sarcasm its nearly always the way  ( tho tbh i wasn't dissing anything and not GD .. her comment was fair game and i agree.. liam needs to step up now and become relevant again, madonna done it, downey jnr did it (and loads other) people done it .. exciting times as i think he will |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 19:07:18 GMT -5
Jim jaq515 I create a thread basically praising noel , ju st asking how important it is to PUBLIC perception .....and yet some need to BASH LIAM #TEAMGAMESNEVERFADEAWAY ..........SADLY Jim glad you caught the sarcasm its nearly always the way ( tho tbh i wasn't dissing anything and not GD .. her comment was fair game and i agree.. liam needs to step up now and become relevant again, madonna done it, downey jnr did it (and loads other) people done it .. exciting times as i think he will Neither was i ...she is a very intelligent poster ......but somehow it always seems liam ends up with blood on his nose s when she is thru , YA know ? Her and a few others i honestly was only trying to gauge the perception of how a failure or success would skew NOELS persona ....liam never entered in my thought process , but some can't let blood stay in water |
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Post by jaq515 on Jan 8, 2015 19:28:30 GMT -5
its nearly always the way ( tho tbh i wasn't dissing anything and not GD .. her comment was fair game and i agree.. liam needs to step up now and become relevant again, madonna done it, downey jnr did it (and loads other) people done it .. exciting times as i think he will Neither was i ...she is a very intelligent poster ......but somehow it always seems liam ends up with blood on his nose s when she is thru , YA know ? Her and a few others i honestly was only trying to gauge the perception of how a failure or success would skew NOELS persona ....liam never entered in my thought process , but some can't let blood stay in water names or persona's (4 or Q (any game fans good to get recognition) .. but yes there a massive amount of bias on this forum but anyone who are any one either . agrees / see's / or just gets on with it.. you know the people who are fair and thats all that matters really.. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 19:37:58 GMT -5
Neither was i ...she is a very intelligent poster ......but somehow it always seems liam ends up with blood on his nose s when she is thru , YA know ? Her and a few others i honestly was only trying to gauge the perception of how a failure or success would skew NOELS persona ....liam never entered in my thought process , but some can't let blood stay in water names or persona's (4 or Q (any game fans good to get recognition) .. but yes there a massive amount of bias on this forum but anyone who are any one either . agrees / see's / or just gets on with it.. you know the people who are fair and thats all that matters really.. Spot on geezer |
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Post by carryusall on Jan 8, 2015 19:41:37 GMT -5
IMO it could be almost as important for Noel for this record to be successful as last time. Granted, last time was obviously important as his debut solo lp, but follow-up albums are tricky too. NGHFB got some good reviews, (and in my opinion is a great collection of songs) but was criticised for three main reasons: 1) The production 2) Being a bit conservative 3) Missing Liam's energy
Because Noel's tackling production on his own this time, that'll be subject to scrutiny. Also, because he's claimed that some of these songs are more 'out there' the usual, he's going to face a lot of criticism if they turn out to sound like his usual output (which is a bit dumb, because it's great)
And it'll definitely be criticised for missing Liam. Which is unfair because it's a NGHFB album. You wouldn't criticise a Kanye West album for not featuring Liam (Although 'Everybody's on the Run' would suit his voice so well…)
Oh and every review will mention a reunion
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 19:45:13 GMT -5
IMO it could be almost as important for Noel for this record to be successful as last time. Granted, last time was obviously important as his debut solo lp, but follow-up albums are tricky too. NGHFB got some good reviews, (and in my opinion is a great collection of songs) but was criticised for three main reasons: 1) The production 2) Being a bit conservative 3) Missing Liam's energy Because Noel's tackling production on his own this time, that'll be subject to scrutiny. Also, because he's claimed that some of these songs are more 'out there' the usual, he's going to face a lot of criticism if they turn out to sound like his usual output (which is a bit dumb, because it's great) And it'll definitely be criticised for missing Liam. Which is unfair because it's a NGHFB album. You wouldn't criticise a Kanye West album for not featuring Liam (Although 'Everybody's on the Run' would suit his voice so well…) Oh and every review will mention a reunion Like the analogies .....one favor mate PLEASE DONT USE KANYE WEST when referring to rock and roll ......( sorry manicsfan ) |
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Post by carryusall on Jan 8, 2015 19:51:14 GMT -5
IMO it could be almost as important for Noel for this record to be successful as last time. Granted, last time was obviously important as his debut solo lp, but follow-up albums are tricky too. NGHFB got some good reviews, (and in my opinion is a great collection of songs) but was criticised for three main reasons: 1) The production 2) Being a bit conservative 3) Missing Liam's energy Because Noel's tackling production on his own this time, that'll be subject to scrutiny. Also, because he's claimed that some of these songs are more 'out there' the usual, he's going to face a lot of criticism if they turn out to sound like his usual output (which is a bit dumb, because it's great) And it'll definitely be criticised for missing Liam. Which is unfair because it's a NGHFB album. You wouldn't criticise a Kanye West album for not featuring Liam (Although 'Everybody's on the Run' would suit his voice so well…) Oh and every review will mention a reunion Like the analogies .....one favor mate PLEASE DONT USE KANYE WEST when referring to rock and roll ......( sorry manicsfan ) Haha, fair enough. Although didn't Liam tweet one of his songs lately? Never know who he'll be collaborating with... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2015 19:57:19 GMT -5
Like the analogies .....one favor mate PLEASE DONT USE KANYE WEST when referring to rock and roll ......( sorry manicsfan ) Haha, fair enough. Although didn't Liam tweet one of his songs lately? Never know who he'll be collaborating with... Don't read or follow Tweets .....but on this you can quote ,CUT ...PASTE .....IF LIAM EVER RECORDS WITH KANYE WEST , I WILL LEAVE THIS PLACE , DELEYE MY ACCOUNT , AND BE GONE ....SIMPLY PUT. KANYE WEST IS A SCUM BAG ....NO TALENT HACK AND IM NOT JOKING |
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Post by matt on Jan 9, 2015 1:04:47 GMT -5
The guy's got like $30 million in the bank....doubt he's worried about it. And, I'd almost guarantee members on the forum are more concerned with the album's sales and chart positions than Noel is. Also, his first album was considered a success....not on an Oasis 90's level but good for a near 50 year old solo artist. I think it comes down to pride - of course Noel wants the album to be well-received but he knows he's great...he seems to have a healthy amount of self-esteem and ego, unlike Liam and many people on this forum. God bless. Last I read he was worth £60 million, the tight short arse he is! Wonderwall probably makes up for half of that - no wonder he's keen on using those same chords.  |
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Post by cigsandalc on Jan 9, 2015 10:18:35 GMT -5
Why is this in the Beady Eye section?
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?? Listen to coldplay 
( tho tbh i wasn't dissing anything and not GD .. her comment was fair game and i agree.. liam needs to step up now and become relevant again, madonna done it, downey jnr did it (and loads other) people done it .. exciting times as i think he will
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