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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 21:09:42 GMT -5
Talk about a red herring. I'm not getting all the Green Day hate on this thread. Dookie is one of the best albums of the 90s, and they have been one of the biggest bands of the world for 20 years. Completely and utterly irrelevant to the topic. Very arguable. Maybe the biggest band in the UK, but I wouldn't say the world. So they should be inducted due to hard work? Let's give everyone a medal, then! All of that doesn't say why you think Green Day isn't worthy of the Rock Hall and is a laughable induction. In fact, the whole idea And all of it is relevant. You think someone on The generic X Factor is equivalent to the rise of Oasis? I think not. Honestly I don't get your point .....the rise of OASIS WHERE ?? In the United states of America , which is the hall of fame you created this thread about ? I was there , then , I never saw liam haircuts , noel haircuts , liam shades , or any GALLAGHER influence in any american city i was in , nobpdy tried to walk like liam or speak mancunian , in AMERICA which is the point of this thread , where is there rise ? They were popular , they were not wildly popular , they were not a band for the generation here , and more kids then dressed talked and dyed thefe hair green or whatever color billy jo of green day wore .....I do t get your point , in AMERICA oasis rise was not whst it was in UK , you know this ...the only thing oasis in America got press for here was fights and being " lager louts " your not talking UK hall your talking american hall like comparing american and euro football the two are not the same ........
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 21:11:54 GMT -5
NYR somehow that quote looks like I'm responding to you , I don't k ow what happened but that was Beady’s Here Now quote I was quoting , it's sorta saying you said that , computer glitch
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 27, 2014 21:33:15 GMT -5
My entire point is that the Hall of Fame is flawed. It's supposed to include bands from every country. It is NOT supposed to be the "American Hall of Fame", rather, it encompasses every band from every location. The bias should not exist. It is NOT the American Hall of Fame.....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 21:45:35 GMT -5
My entire point is that the Hall of Fame is flawed. It's supposed to include bands from every country. It is NOT supposed to be the "American Hall of Fame", rather, it encompasses every band from every location. The bias should not exist. It is NOT the American Hall of Fame..... Sometimes you really lose the plot. does the UK have a hall of fame ?? I believe so ...... if you want to say it's egotistical to call it the rock and roll hall of fame when it should be the american rock and roll hall of fame then ok , I'm the first to say AMERICANS in general think the world exists soley in America ...thus rock and roll hall of fame .....but your tireles point on this makes no sense ..by and large american musicians and writers vote ...so of course the vote will be bias , who cares ?? sorry to dissapoint you but oasis did not crossover the ocean in the way you seem to think , and im fine with that , so they won't make the " American hall of fame " feel better. ?? Me too. .....next topic Edit : and they may make the " American vetsion of the hall ". And im fine with that to . I already know there stars
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Post by Let It Bleed on Dec 27, 2014 21:45:50 GMT -5
My entire point is that the Hall of Fame is flawed. It's supposed to include bands from every country. It is NOT supposed to be the "American Hall of Fame", rather, it encompasses every band from every location. The bias should not exist. It is NOT the American Hall of Fame..... You wanna make it into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? Kill a few groupies and fuck a few midgets, and you're in there. God bless.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 21:55:08 GMT -5
Beady’s Here Now here is the Kalas first hall of fame inductees , now I'm american so I guarantee my top 10wont be the same as yours But to show you the difference let's compare .. If I had to make a top 10 inductee to my hall based on my tastes nd what they meant to me and I could only induct 10 here goes no order but the first Led Zeppelin Oasis Rolling Stones The clash Van Halen Bruce Springsteen The who Pink floyd U2 The doors To me if I could pick my first 10 that would be it , no beatles , no hendrix no dylan ect ect they'd get in but it at first ........ that's the only hall i care about
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 22:17:01 GMT -5
I know it's become a sham in contemporary times. And I know it's vastly an American institution. Eligible in 2019, I think Oasis will be inducted without any hesitation.... EDIT: Interesting Article: www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/20-artists-eligible-for-the-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-next-20140408/oasis-19691231But have The Smiths even been inducted? I don't think so, correct me if I'm wrong. Also, have Green Day really been inducted ( rockhall.com/inductees/green-day/)? That's fucked up. But I think Oasis will be inducted in the first round. I know Americans have a hard time with them, but there was a revival of respect with DBTT that has actually continued. They were the biggest band in the 90s, and incredibly influential. I know this forum thinks otherwise, but I highly disagree. They most certainly deserve to be inducted at the first try, but the RNR Hall of Fame is starting to become a joke, so who knows? But Green Day? Really? 'the fuck? I don't pay attention to the Hall of Fame and really don't know who's in it, but why shouldn't Green Day be in it?? I don't understand your post. they've been around nearly 30 years, have got many popular and top selling albums, and some great music. they took punk rock and modernized it into the '90s. I'm only a casual listener but I don't see why Green Day is any less worthy of an induction than Oasis?
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Post by fiv3oclocksh4dow on Dec 28, 2014 2:40:56 GMT -5
Beady’s Here Now, I will bet you good, hard money that Oasis will not be inducted in the first ballot. Shall we say $100? Mariah Carey, someone who holds the Guinness world record for being the only person to have a #1 song in every year of an entire decade (1990-1999), didn't get in on her first ballot. What in the everloving hell makes you think Oasis will get inducted in 2019? Not saying Oasis don't deserve induction, but think about it objectively. It took Black Sabbath seven years to be inducted to the RRHoF. 15 years for Rush. Lou Reed and Donna Summer had to die before getting inducted. Meanwhile, Humble Pie, Bon Jovi, Harry Nilsson, Joe Cocker, Yes, Warren Zevon, Deep Purple, Kraftwerk, The Jam, Whitney Houston, Iron Maiden, Willie Nelson, Peter Frampton, Gram Parsons, Judas Priest, Journey, T. Rex, and The Cure aren't inducted. The Smiths aren't there too. So what? Yes, they deserve to be in there like everyone else mentioned here. But they're not. Get used to disappointment with the Hall of Fame. kalas is absolutely, 100% right when he says that the vote is strictly from an American standpoint. It's essentially Jann Wenner's pick of the litter, and Rolling Stone—his magazine—has never been too kind to Oasis. They love Pearl Jam and Radiohead, which is why I'm also willing to bet money that they both get in on their first ballots. To be fair, Rolling Stone actually treats Oasis fairly decent. In fact, I am looking at my German Rolling Stone issues featuring the Champagne Supernova and The Roller 7"s as we speak. Still, they will never make it on the first ballot. Hell, I doubt they will in their first 5! Just playing devil's advocate.
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Post by NYR on Dec 28, 2014 18:28:40 GMT -5
To be fair, Rolling Stone actually treats Oasis fairly decent. In fact, I am looking at my German Rolling Stone issues featuring the Champagne Supernova and The Roller 7"s as we speak. Still, they will never make it on the first ballot. Hell, I doubt they will in their first 5! Just playing devil's advocate. That's the German version of the magazine, which Jann Wenner doesn't run. It's his title, but he's mainly behind the American issue.
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Post by NYR on Dec 29, 2014 11:18:50 GMT -5
My entire point is that the Hall of Fame is flawed. It's supposed to include bands from every country. It is NOT supposed to be the "American Hall of Fame", rather, it encompasses every band from every location. The bias should not exist. It is NOT the American Hall of Fame..... And what we're all saying is that it's always been flawed. The bias should not exist, but it does. Read this. You'll like the source, being Fox News and all...
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Post by fiv3oclocksh4dow on Dec 30, 2014 23:26:54 GMT -5
To be fair, Rolling Stone actually treats Oasis fairly decent. In fact, I am looking at my German Rolling Stone issues featuring the Champagne Supernova and The Roller 7"s as we speak. Still, they will never make it on the first ballot. Hell, I doubt they will in their first 5! Just playing devil's advocate. That's the German version of the magazine, which Jann Wenner doesn't run. It's his title, but he's mainly behind the American issue. I guess I learn something new every day.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 7:06:00 GMT -5
SO GOOD TO SEE DEEP PURPLE. Finally getting its due !!! one of the least appreciated bands ever. If you think they only did smoke on the water , you have no clue
sweet child in time , woman from Tokyo. ,Space truckin highway star 'hush perfect strangers , wasted sunsets List goes on and on. Shame it took so long. And Blackmore is as good as any guitarist ever. Including my man page or jimi
But off course they make the hall a joke by including nwa. they do this to appease a culture , rap is not rock. It's ridiculous
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 17, 2015 8:16:03 GMT -5
SO GOOD TO SEE DEEP PURPLE. Finally getting its due !!! one of the least appreciated bands ever. If you think they only did smoke on the water , you have no clue sweet child in time , woman from Tokyo. ,Space truckin highway star 'hush perfect strangers , wasted sunsets List goes on and on. Shame it took so long. And Blackmore is as good as any guitarist ever. Including my man page or jimi But off course they make the hall a joke by including nwa. they do this to appease a culture , rap is not rock. It's ridiculous I get where you are coming from but take a band such as Rage Against the Machine, who as well as being politically charged inspired (for better or worse) a whole movement in the late 90s/early 00s. They were equally inspired in turn by The Clash and Public Enemy, with the latter certainly being a rap act no question, but having a heavy influence on a rock band. For the point you made about Deep Purple I wholeheartedly agree. Despite numerous line up changes throughout their career they continued to put out a high level of quality with their albums, some great live shows yet were continually ignored when mentioning The Who, Led Zeppelin, The Faces,, Aerosmith as great examples of 1970s hard rock, not to mention their output away from that era.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 8:22:23 GMT -5
SO GOOD TO SEE DEEP PURPLE. Finally getting its due !!! one of the least appreciated bands ever. If you think they only did smoke on the water , you have no clue sweet child in time , woman from Tokyo. ,Space truckin highway star 'hush perfect strangers , wasted sunsets List goes on and on. Shame it took so long. And Blackmore is as good as any guitarist ever. Including my man page or jimi But off course they make the hall a joke by including nwa. they do this to appease a culture , rap is not rock. It's ridiculous I get where you are coming from but take a band such as Rage Against the Machine, who as well as being politically charged inspired (for better or worse) a whole movement in the late 90s/early 00s. They were equally inspired in turn by The Clash and Public Enemy, with the latter certainly being a rap act no question, but having a heavy influence on a rock band. For the point you made about Deep Purple I wholeheartedly agree. Despite numerous line up changes throughout their career they continued to put out a high level of quality with their albums, some great live shows yet were continually ignored when mentioning The Who, Led Zeppelin, The Faces,, Aerosmith as great examples of 1970s hard rock, not to mention their output away from that era. I hear you. But to me. Rap in general is sampling and lyrics not rock , blues , and bluegrass , But I realize I'm old school and in the minority . Here is how I look at it. If / when inevitably they make a rap hall of fame. LED zep won't be inducted
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 17, 2015 8:33:42 GMT -5
I get where you are coming from but take a band such as Rage Against the Machine, who as well as being politically charged inspired (for better or worse) a whole movement in the late 90s/early 00s. They were equally inspired in turn by The Clash and Public Enemy, with the latter certainly being a rap act no question, but having a heavy influence on a rock band. For the point you made about Deep Purple I wholeheartedly agree. Despite numerous line up changes throughout their career they continued to put out a high level of quality with their albums, some great live shows yet were continually ignored when mentioning The Who, Led Zeppelin, The Faces,, Aerosmith as great examples of 1970s hard rock, not to mention their output away from that era. I hear you. But to me. Rap in general is sampling and lyrics not rock , blues , and bluegrass , But I realize I'm old school and in the minority . Here is how I look at it. If / when inevitably they make a rap hall of fame. LED zep won't be inducted True although Bonzo should get a nod alone for the amount of times hip hop & rap producers have sampled "When the Levee Breaks" drums! Ten Most Sampled Drum Beats in Music Bonzo gets the first nod bless 'im!
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Post by madferitusa2025 on Dec 17, 2015 9:32:04 GMT -5
SO GOOD TO SEE DEEP PURPLE. Finally getting its due !!! one of the least appreciated bands ever. If you think they only did smoke on the water , you have no clue sweet child in time , woman from Tokyo. ,Space truckin highway star 'hush perfect strangers , wasted sunsets List goes on and on. Shame it took so long. And Blackmore is as good as any guitarist ever. Including my man page or jimi But off course they make the hall a joke by including nwa. they do this to appease a culture , rap is not rock. It's ridiculous Agreed. I've worn out a couple copies of Machinehead over the years. Great stuff. Be nice if Blackmore shows up. As far as rappers getting in, I'm for inclusion in theory, (taking guigsysEstring point regarding influences - Rage etc) but let's put the rockers into the RR HOF first. I don't think we are there yet.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 10:27:19 GMT -5
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Post by Aman on Dec 17, 2015 10:57:37 GMT -5
Ritchie Blackmore went to my school!
Legend.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 19:34:48 GMT -5
Zevon is or was a weird dude I heard he had terminal cancer so I don't know if he is alive. He is universally known for "werewolves of London " and that's all I know from him Little feat is jimmy pages all time fav band. And a band it seems all American souther rockers worship , I have no idea if they play bluegrass or country. But musicians love them
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 17, 2015 19:57:39 GMT -5
Zevon is or was a weird dude I heard he had terminal cancer so I don't know if he is alive. He is universally known for "werewolves of London " and that's all I know from him Little feat is jimmy pages all time fav band. And a band it seems all American souther rockers worship , I have no idea if they play bluegrass or country. But musicians love them Warren Zevon died in 2003 but as kalas said was a weird dude, and a fantastic (IMO) off kilter songwriter who worked (separately with each of the two) Everly Brothers and members of Fleetwood Mac amongst others. Little Feat play rock n' roll infused with every style of Americana including country, with the possible exception only of bluegrass! One of the primary band members, singer/guitarist and key songwriter Lowell George, died in 1979 aged 34 from heroin OD causing the band to break up from 1979 to 1986 IIRC. Since then they have reformed, released new records and toured with a highly respected reputation amongst musicians.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 20:03:50 GMT -5
Zevon is or was a weird dude I heard he had terminal cancer so I don't know if he is alive. He is universally known for "werewolves of London " and that's all I know from him Little feat is jimmy pages all time fav band. And a band it seems all American souther rockers worship , I have no idea if they play bluegrass or country. But musicians love them Warren Zevon died in 2003 but as kalas said was a weird dude, and a fantastic (IMO) off kilter songwriter who worked (separately with each of the two) Everly Brothers and members of Fleetwood Mac amongst others. Little Feat play rock n' roll infused with every style of Americana including country, with the possible exception only of bluegrass! One of the primary band members, singer/guitarist and key songwriter Lowell George, died in 1979 aged 34 from heroin OD causing the band to break up from 1979 to 1986 IIRC. Since then they have reformed, released new records and toured with a highly respected reputation amongst musicians. There ya go sad he passed. And yea I never heard a tune of little feat. Why I thought they played bluegrass shows that , Lol. Sweet
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 17, 2015 20:09:17 GMT -5
Warren Zevon died in 2003 but as kalas said was a weird dude, and a fantastic (IMO) off kilter songwriter who worked (separately with each of the two) Everly Brothers and members of Fleetwood Mac amongst others. Little Feat play rock n' roll infused with every style of Americana including country, with the possible exception only of bluegrass! One of the primary band members, singer/guitarist and key songwriter Lowell George, died in 1979 aged 34 from heroin OD causing the band to break up from 1979 to 1986 IIRC. Since then they have reformed, released new records and toured with a highly respected reputation amongst musicians. There ya go sad he passed. And yea I never heard a tune of little feat. Why I thought they played bluegrass shows that , Lol. Sweet Jimmy Page said in 1975 they were his favourite band, and Robert Plant with Alison Krauss has gone on to do bluegrass, maybe you mixed the two up?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 20:17:52 GMT -5
There ya go sad he passed. And yea I never heard a tune of little feat. Why I thought they played bluegrass shows that , Lol. Sweet Jimmy Page said in 1975 they were his favourite band, and Robert Plant with Alison Krauss has gone on to do bluegrass, maybe you mixed the two up? Yep . I'm so fried I'm sure that's it. But I had fun getting fried
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 20:31:43 GMT -5
It's a bullshit hall of fame, doesn't mean shit.
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Post by Binary Sunset on Dec 17, 2015 20:55:17 GMT -5
Zevon is or was a weird dude I heard he had terminal cancer so I don't know if he is alive. He is universally known for "werewolves of London " and that's all I know from him Little feat is jimmy pages all time fav band. And a band it seems all American souther rockers worship , I have no idea if they play bluegrass or country. But musicians love them Warren Zevon was awesome. Highly respected songwriter with a very somber sense of humor. The doctors told him he had little time to live, so he didn't have chemotherapy and instead made a classic last album. He was also known for being a really good friend of David Letterman, guest leading his band when Paul Shaffer wasn't there. It's kind of annoying he's only know by the general public for Werewolves, for me it's a little like Oasis with Wonderwall in the U.S. He definitely deserves to be in there, but I guess it doesn't matter for him now that he's gone.
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