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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 27, 2014 17:15:15 GMT -5
I know it's become a sham in contemporary times. And I know it's vastly an American institution. Eligible in 2019, I think Oasis will be inducted without any hesitation.... EDIT: Interesting Article: www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/20-artists-eligible-for-the-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-next-20140408/oasis-19691231But have The Smiths even been inducted? I don't think so, correct me if I'm wrong. Also, have Green Day really been inducted ( rockhall.com/inductees/green-day/)? That's fucked up. But I think Oasis will be inducted in the first round. I know Americans have a hard time with them, but there was a revival of respect with DBTT that has actually continued. They were the biggest band in the 90s, and incredibly influential. I know this forum thinks otherwise, but I highly disagree. They most certainly deserve to be inducted at the first try, but the RNR Hall of Fame is starting to become a joke, so who knows? But Green Day? Really? 'the fuck?
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Post by spaneli on Dec 27, 2014 17:24:06 GMT -5
There have been it seems like 2-3 of these threads this year along.
The Smiths were nominated for induction this year, but did not make it. They'll make it eventually as will Oasis, just not on the first ballot. But I've said this multiple times, Oasis' case to make it is much easier to make than the Smiths, especially from an American perspective. It should be A LOT easier for Oasis to make it in.
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Dec 27, 2014 17:32:42 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 17:49:35 GMT -5
Can't these HOF threads be consolidated eva like I did with the championship thread it seems every month this thread is made. No disrespect Beady’s Here Now i LUV YA but come on this is like Groundhog Day Anyway look i will say this again. ....RUSH a band that in the United states pisses on oasis in record sales , radio play ,longevity , fan base , you name it rush beats oasis in america RUSH WERE ELIGIBLE IN 1998 it took them 15 years to get in 2013 Are oasis better ? To me. Of course , but rush sold out aRena's not theatres in America since the late 70 s and still do and it took them 15 years. oasis getting into hall In America ,,,maybe I think not. But it won't be until 2030 s. Hope im here h
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Post by spaneli on Dec 27, 2014 17:57:24 GMT -5
Can't these HOF threads be consolidated eva like I did with the championship thread it seems every month this thread is made. No disrespect Beady’s Here Now i LUV YA but come on this is like Groundhog Day Anyway look i will say this again. ....RUSH a band that in the United states pisses on oasis in record sales , radio play ,longevity , fan base , you name it rush beats oasis in america RUSH WERE ELIGIBLE IN 1998 it took them 15 years to get in 2013 Are oasis better ? To me. Of course , but rush sold out aRena's not theatres in America since the late 70 s and still do and it took them 15 years. oasis getting into hall In America ,,,maybe I think not. But it won't be until 2030 s. Hope im here h Rush didn't make it because of genre bias. If Rush had the same numbers, but in a genre like Oasis' they would have been in sooner. Not really good comparison between the two. Edit: Each case is it's own. Very few crossover comparison.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 17:59:54 GMT -5
Can't these HOF threads be consolidated eva like I did with the championship thread it seems every month this thread is made. No disrespect Beady’s Here Now i LUV YA but come on this is like Groundhog Day Anyway look i will say this again. ....RUSH a band that in the United states pisses on oasis in record sales , radio play ,longevity , fan base , you name it rush beats oasis in america RUSH WERE ELIGIBLE IN 1998 it took them 15 years to get in 2013 Are oasis better ? To me. Of course , but rush sold out aRena's not theatres in America since the late 70 s and still do and it took them 15 years. oasis getting into hall In America ,,,maybe I think not. But it won't be until 2030 s. Hope im here h Rush didn't make it because of genre bias. If Rush had the same numbers, but in a genre like Oasis' they would have been in sooner. Not really good comparison between the two. Edit: Each case is it's own. Very few crossover comparison. Are you on hall, of fame panel ? I didn't think so. We shall see genre bias and all
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 27, 2014 18:00:42 GMT -5
There have been it seems like 2-3 of these threads this year along. The Smiths were nominated for induction this year, but did not make it. They'll make it eventually as will Oasis, just not on the first ballot. But I've said this multiple times, Oasis' case to make it is much easier to make than the Smiths, especially from an American perspective. It should be A LOT easier for Oasis to make it in. Absolutely agree. The debate of whether Oasis "broke the US" rages on. I have the perspective that they did, but not to their fullest potential, and didn't have longevity, but they most certainly were big in the US, whereas The Smiths are quintessentially British, and didn't make the crossover to the US at all, really. I would love to hear the reason if Oasis don't make it on the first try. There's no logic if they don't, in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 18:03:03 GMT -5
There have been it seems like 2-3 of these threads this year along. The Smiths were nominated for induction this year, but did not make it. They'll make it eventually as will Oasis, just not on the first ballot. But I've said this multiple times, Oasis' case to make it is much easier to make than the Smiths, especially from an American perspective. It should be A LOT easier for Oasis to make it in. Absolutely agree. The debate of whether Oasis "broke the US" rages on. I have the perspective that they did, but not to their fullest potential, and didn't have longevity, but they most certainly were big in the US, whereas The Smiths are quintessentially British, and didn't make the crossover to the US at all, really. I would love to hear the reason if Oasis don't make it on the first try. There's no logic if they don't, in my opinion. The reason ? Most voters would probably say BEATLE retread to retro. Not to me , but you wanted reason
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Post by spaneli on Dec 27, 2014 18:04:24 GMT -5
Rush didn't make it because of genre bias. If Rush had the same numbers, but in a genre like Oasis' they would have been in sooner. Not really good comparison between the two. Edit: Each case is it's own. Very few crossover comparison. Are you on hall, of fame panel ? I didn't think so. We shall see genre bias and all lolllll, everyone knows Rush didn't get in because genre bias. I don't need to be on the panel to know that. The most similar bands to Rush that aren't in are in the same genre. Mental and Prog Rock has NEVER had respect in the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame, check Montley Crew and Judas Priest. Large record sales and in still aren't in. Rush didn't get in because of genre bias and no one would argue that. It's pretty common knowledge: www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music/rock-roll-hall-fame-snubs-heavy-metal-article-1.2047726But you know I'm not on the panel.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 18:10:46 GMT -5
All of this Oasis cracked AMERICA or didn't crack AMERICA is fine , but here is the thing when oasis broke I was in both london and usa , in London you heard every tune basically from the first 2 LPS every day ....in America you heard WONDERWALL , live forever , supernova , but they were up against grunge here , even though Cobain was gone all the radio stations it seemed were playing grunge , Oasis were never on the radio in usa like they were in UK ...... They just were not ,
Pearl jam in 95 or 96 could go to UK and play arenas. oasis in uk could play knebworth , but in 95 and 96 tney couldn't sell out msg or la forum , took them years for that , all im saying is if it's strictly american vote they will have to wait ...genre or not there not perceived here as first time or third time hall of famers. We shall see
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Post by NYR on Dec 27, 2014 18:14:53 GMT -5
Beady’s Here Now, I will bet you good, hard money that Oasis will not be inducted in the first ballot. Shall we say $100? Mariah Carey, someone who holds the Guinness world record for being the only person to have a #1 song in every year of an entire decade (1990-1999), didn't get in on her first ballot. What in the everloving hell makes you think Oasis will get inducted in 2019? Not saying Oasis don't deserve induction, but think about it objectively. It took Black Sabbath seven years to be inducted to the RRHoF. 15 years for Rush. Lou Reed and Donna Summer had to die before getting inducted. Meanwhile, Humble Pie, Bon Jovi, Harry Nilsson, Joe Cocker, Yes, Warren Zevon, Deep Purple, Kraftwerk, The Jam, Whitney Houston, Iron Maiden, Willie Nelson, Peter Frampton, Gram Parsons, Judas Priest, Journey, T. Rex, and The Cure aren't inducted. The Smiths aren't there too. So what? Yes, they deserve to be in there like everyone else mentioned here. But they're not. Get used to disappointment with the Hall of Fame. kalas is absolutely, 100% right when he says that the vote is strictly from an American standpoint. It's essentially Jann Wenner's pick of the litter, and Rolling Stone—his magazine—has never been too kind to Oasis. They love Pearl Jam and Radiohead, which is why I'm also willing to bet money that they both get in on their first ballots.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 18:16:35 GMT -5
Are you on hall, of fame panel ? I didn't think so. We shall see genre bias and all lolllll, everyone knows Rush didn't get in because genre bias. I don't need to be on the panel to know that. The most similar bands to Rush that aren't in are in the same genre. Mental and Prog Rock has NEVER had respect in the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame, check Montley Crew and Judas Priest. Large record sales and in still aren't in. Rush didn't get in because of genre bias and no one would argue that. It's pretty common knowledge: www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music/rock-roll-hall-fame-snubs-heavy-metal-article-1.2047726 But you know I'm not on the panel.[/quote The biggest lol is you think everyone knows ..... Most here think oasis will make it because there fans or not from usa ... Motely crue to me don't deserve the hall cause musically I think they lack. Priest as well floyd had no problem , but you know that. And there as progressive as you get ...... I think it's common knowledge that floyd are progressive . ....but what do I know
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Dec 27, 2014 18:24:43 GMT -5
'The Rock N' Rock Hall of Fame' is a pitiful joke. It's a bad idea, with flaws that are becoming more and more apparent. Did Gene Simmons come up with it? I bet he did, didn't he. I bet he fuckin' loves it too.
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Post by NYR on Dec 27, 2014 18:25:59 GMT -5
'The Rock N' Rock Hall of Fame' is a pitiful joke. It's a bad idea, with flaws that are becoming more and more apparent. Did Gene Simmons come up with it? I bet he did, didn't he. I bet he fuckin' loves it too. If he did, it wouldn't have taken Kiss FIFTEEN YEARS to get inducted. (Yet another reason why Oasis won't get in on first ballot, Beady’s Here Now.)
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Dec 27, 2014 18:33:31 GMT -5
'The Rock N' Rock Hall of Fame' is a pitiful joke. It's a bad idea, with flaws that are becoming more and more apparent. Did Gene Simmons come up with it? I bet he did, didn't he. I bet he fuckin' loves it too. If he did, it wouldn't have taken Kiss FIFTEEN YEARS to get inducted. (Yet another reason why Oasis won't get in on first ballot, Beady’s Here Now.) Very true. KISS would have been inducted before The Beatles, had it been one of Gene's schemes. What a horrible man. Agreed that Oasis wont get in. Far too American centred for that to happen.
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Post by allingoodtime on Dec 27, 2014 18:34:19 GMT -5
Oasis deserve to make it, whether you like them or not you cant deny the fact that Noel was effortlessly writing classics in the 90's. The fact that songs like The Masterplan, listen up, cloudburst and going nowhere are b-sides is a joke..they're easily better than most bands best songs.
After 2000 they started dipping but still managed to release great songs. Some of the albums on the whole weren't great but list down their 50 best songs and there aren't many bands (imo none..) who can beat them.
Yes they weren't as popular in the USA but they still deserve it..not that being in the R&R hall of fame has much credibility any more because if bands like Greenday are making it on then it shouldn't be hard to meet the criteria..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 18:54:13 GMT -5
Hey spaneli I'm curious and im not trying to start a argument. But you got me curious .......you say "rush genre" What genre do you classify them as I know your into music history , but like I lived through rush at there height they were always considered by radio "arena rock " or classic rock .......Tom sawyer , red barchetta, closer to the heart, distant early warning , limelight, freewill , I can go on and on. They were as Classic a rock band as there was certaincly not considered " progressive ( floyd, Zappa, yes , early genesis, ect ect ) or metal ( priest , maiden ) they were considered rock. Arena rock , So what common knowledge is that they were victimized by Cause growing up,all the " experts " djs rolling stone , critics called them Classic arena rock If you wanna sight articles or historians I would have to disagree cause I was there too there was nothing progressive about most of there hits 2112 was out there and yea they were diverse but they made there name as a classic rock band not a metal or progressive band .
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 27, 2014 19:45:27 GMT -5
*Yawn*
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Post by onion39 on Dec 27, 2014 19:53:03 GMT -5
Green Day!?! What a joke.
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Post by mystoryisgory on Dec 27, 2014 20:05:11 GMT -5
I'll put on my shoes while I'm walking slowly down the hall of fame.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 27, 2014 20:09:15 GMT -5
Green Day!?! What a joke. This. I think the subtext of this thread is that the Hall of Fame isn't objective. It's absolutely ridiculous. If we're talking objectively, trying to ignore our Oasis obsession, they should make it without any sort of hesitation. I don't care what other big bands didn't make it - which just proves how idiotic the Hall of Fame has become. Two brothers, growing up in an abusive and low income family, no education, and they managed to become THE biggest band of the 90s by shear determination, practice, discipline, and attitude. In 1993, they were chancers possibly going absolutely nowhere, and three years later in 1996 they played to an audience of 250,000. From nothing, to everything. From grunge to Britpop. The story of Oasis is incredible, and, at times, inspirational. And all of this still amazes me.
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Post by Headmaster on Dec 27, 2014 20:17:56 GMT -5
Green Day!?! What a joke. The thing is that Green Day is an american band, by the Hall of Fame rules this is reason enough for them to be inducted.
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Post by NYR on Dec 27, 2014 20:50:21 GMT -5
Green Day!?! What a joke. The thing is that Green Day is an american band, by the Hall of Fame rules this is reason enough for them to be inducted. Talk about a red herring. I'm not getting all the Green Day hate on this thread. Dookie is one of the best albums of the 90s, and they have been one of the biggest bands of the world for 20 years. Two brothers, growing up in an abusive and low income family, no education, Completely and utterly irrelevant to the topic. and they managed to become THE biggest band of the 90s Very arguable. Maybe the biggest band in the UK, but I wouldn't say the world. by shear determination, practice, discipline, and attitude. So they should be inducted due to hard work? Let's give everyone a medal, then! In 1993, they were chancers possibly going absolutely nowhere, and three years later in 1996 they played to an audience of 250,000. From nothing, to everything. From grunge to Britpop. The story of Oasis is incredible, and, at times, inspirational. And all of this still amazes me. All of that doesn't say why you think Green Day isn't worthy of the Rock Hall and is a laughable induction. In fact, the whole idea of a Rock & Roll Hall of Fame is laughable. Alas, it's here, but don't make the personal choices of Jann Wenner the gospel and end all, be all.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 20:53:28 GMT -5
Green Day!?! What a joke. This. I think the subtext of this thread is that the Hall of Fame isn't objective. It's absolutely ridiculous. If we're talking objectively, trying to ignore our Oasis obsession, they should make it without any sort of hesitation. I don't care what other big bands didn't make it - which just proves how idiotic the Hall of Fame has become. Two brothers, growing up in an abusive and low income family, no education, and they managed to become THE biggest band of the 90s by shear determination, practice, discipline, and attitude. In 1993, they were chancers possibly going absolutely nowhere, and three years later in 1996 they played to an audience of 250,000. From nothing, to everything. From grunge to Britpop. The story of Oasis is incredible, and, at times, inspirational. And all of this still amazes me. And agree with everything you say there .....except you forget one very important fact They were the biggest band in the UK ... In 1996 they p,ayed to 250,000 in knebworth. I was there , in 1996 they could not p,ay to 25,000 in any usa city , why they played smaller venues , ...... And to say they were biggest band in the 90 s here on this forum you'll get most to agree who were not there l..but you can't tell me they were bigger than nirvana or Pearl jam AND IM GLAD it was said back in 70 s led ZEP was like a good joint shared between great friends , your big brothers were still into BEATLES stones but you knew better That's how I like to think oasis fans were in usa ...we knew better we knew oasis at that time were best in world ,......but like BEATLES and stones Nirvana and Pearl jam were bigger everywhere but UK really msybe some areas oasis were as big. But in USA No fucking way , And nirvana and Pearl jam were bigger in UK than oasis were in USA and im glad ..... Cause we knew better , oasis aren't supposed to be for everyone , we are supposed to be like football fans ......special. That's how I felt then and how i fee l now .....critics and theorists can go fuck themselves
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 27, 2014 20:59:44 GMT -5
The thing is that Green Day is an american band, by the Hall of Fame rules this is reason enough for them to be inducted. Talk about a red herring. I'm not getting all the Green Day hate on this thread. Dookie is one of the best albums of the 90s, and they have been one of the biggest bands of the world for 20 years. Two brothers, growing up in an abusive and low income family, no education, Completely and utterly irrelevant to the topic. and they managed to become THE biggest band of the 90s Very arguable. Maybe the biggest band in the UK, but I wouldn't say the world. by shear determination, practice, discipline, and attitude. So they should be inducted due to hard work? Let's give everyone a medal, then! In 1993, they were chancers possibly going absolutely nowhere, and three years later in 1996 they played to an audience of 250,000. From nothing, to everything. From grunge to Britpop. The story of Oasis is incredible, and, at times, inspirational. And all of this still amazes me. All of that doesn't say why you think Green Day isn't worthy of the Rock Hall and is a laughable induction. In fact, the whole idea of a Rock & Roll Hall of Fame is laughable. Alas, it's here, but don't make the personal choices of Jann Wenner the gospel and end all, be all. I wasn't arguing about Green Day in that post. I was just pointing out how impressive and influential the Gallagher's became. And all of it is relevant. You think someone on The generic X Factor is equivalent to the rise of Oasis? I think not.
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