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Post by Praetorian on Nov 6, 2014 14:05:15 GMT -5
Just because they have the original Mustique tapes doesn't mean the collector community/collector in question could still "lobby" to keep them stowed away, which would maintain the value and allow him/her to do whatever business she wants.
Not a far fetched idea...some greedy people live in the world.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 6, 2014 14:06:32 GMT -5
Just because they have the original Mustique tapes doesn't mean the collector community/collector in question could still "lobby" to keep them stowed away, which would maintain the value and allow him/her to do whatever business she wants. Not a far fetched idea...some greedy people live in the world. Tons of Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Bob Dylan and Velvet Underground bootlegs were kicking around, still didn't stop those artists from releasing official versions. |
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Post by deadman on Nov 6, 2014 14:45:24 GMT -5
Just because they have the original Mustique tapes doesn't mean the collector community/collector in question could still "lobby" to keep them stowed away, which would maintain the value and allow him/her to do whatever business she wants. Not a far fetched idea...some greedy people live in the world. What a strange idea. "Hey, let's not release these and make a ton of money because ONE person, who is handling stolen goods, doesn't want us to as he wants to profit from his stolen goods." Daft conspiracy. |
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Post by Praetorian on Nov 6, 2014 15:03:34 GMT -5
Just because they have the original Mustique tapes doesn't mean the collector community/collector in question could still "lobby" to keep them stowed away, which would maintain the value and allow him/her to do whatever business she wants. Not a far fetched idea...some greedy people live in the world. What a strange idea. "Hey, let's not release these and make a ton of money because ONE person, who is handling stolen goods, doesn't want us to as he wants to profit from his stolen goods." Daft conspiracy. Usually people that have these high profile collector items are well connected and possibly in inner circles...just saying. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 6, 2014 15:07:49 GMT -5
The demo of STC is vastly superior to the finished article for me. The same with the RM demo.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 6, 2014 15:19:37 GMT -5
The demo of STC is vastly superior to the finished article for me. The same with the RM demo. I agree with this. Both feel very uninspired on High Flying Birds. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 6, 2014 15:29:52 GMT -5
The demo of STC is vastly superior to the finished article for me. The same with the RM demo. I agree with this. Both feel very uninspired on High Flying Birds. The demo's have a really crisp sound to them, a live in the studio sound. On Noel's album they are just a mess. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 6, 2014 15:38:51 GMT -5
I agree with this. Both feel very uninspired on High Flying Birds. The demo's have a really crisp sound to them, a live in the studio sound. On Noel's album they are just a mess. Probably from years of toying with, tinkering around and over thinking them. It's a problem. |
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Post by asimarx on Nov 6, 2014 15:49:48 GMT -5
What a strange idea. "Hey, let's not release these and make a ton of money because ONE person, who is handling stolen goods, doesn't want us to as he wants to profit from his stolen goods." Daft conspiracy. Usually people that have these high profile collector items are well connected and possibly in inner circles...just saying. Nah, who would that be? Funny thought though, imagine Owen Morris holding back the full release of the tape because he wants to get out the DIV sessions in exchange. Proper Oasis Mafia forum style. Ian Anderson and Owen dug out and remastered the whole tape (see Owen's website for more details) and I still believe they're going to be released in full on the reissue. If only it would be announced, I was pretty confident it was going to happen this week, well we still have tomorrow. EDIT: Damn, did I really call him "Ian Anderson". No offence to the great Ian Cooper, mea culpa. He might even like Jethro Tull. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Nov 6, 2014 15:59:27 GMT -5
Oasis PR Management is piss poor.
Also, why the fuck do they include shit like badges and pins? This isn't the early 1990s, and we're not in fucking First Grade. Piss off.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 6, 2014 16:24:17 GMT -5
Right, got me catsuit on and me spykit with me, might as well go to Ignition too then to investigate.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 6, 2014 16:47:51 GMT -5
Lets be honest, all these releases have been pretty rubbish. Noel's involvement seems minimal the tracks for the 3rd discs have frankly been bizzare. I mean a quick ask of the community would show them what people have and what they don't. Its either totally half arsed or they are saving things for future release to milk us some more.
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Post by deadman on Nov 6, 2014 17:16:11 GMT -5
Lets be honest, all these releases have been pretty rubbish. Noel's involvement seems minimal the tracks for the 3rd discs have frankly been bizzare. I mean a quick ask of the community would show them what people have and what they don't. Its either totally half arsed or they are saving things for future release to milk us some more. Noel has definitely had input into the process as he mentioned so during the XFM interview. With Definitely Maybe there was already a huge amount of alternative material in our hands what with all the demos and the studio outtakes on the Safety Masters. To get an unbootlegged Liam acoustic set and a HTWA demo I think was pretty good. Same with Morning Glory, the live stuff was unspectacular, but we didn't have any of the demos they released and the few we knew was there from 1992/3 they released. With Be Here Now, we should be getting a fair handful of the Mustique tracks we all hope and pray for. So I don't think they've done too bad. The extra point to make as well is that of course we have lots of the material eventually released like the DM demos, Maine Road, Knebworth, Earls Court etc. But how many of us is there? Maybe the low thousands? They'll be looking to shift tens if not hundreds of thousands of these worldwide over the next few years, mostly to people who don't have those tracks. We're the lucky ones who had so much of that alternative material early. |
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Post by asimarx on Nov 6, 2014 17:17:19 GMT -5
Right, got me catsuit on and me spykit with me, might as well go to Ignition too then to investigate. Let's team up, I'll be in London next week anyway. Still have a Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles outfit somewhere in the attic. Two weirdos protesting in front of their office might show some effect. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 6, 2014 17:23:03 GMT -5
Right, got me catsuit on and me spykit with me, might as well go to Ignition too then to investigate. Let's team up, I'll be in London next week anyway. Still have a Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles outfit somewhere in the attic. Two weirdos protesting in front of their office might show some effect. ALRIGHT LET'S GO FOR IT YEAH. You can pay for my plane ticket. |
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Post by asimarx on Nov 6, 2014 17:36:36 GMT -5
Let's team up, I'll be in London next week anyway. Still have a Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles outfit somewhere in the attic. Two weirdos protesting in front of their office might show some effect. ALRIGHT LET'S GO FOR IT YEAH. You can pay for my plane ticket. I figured you are from Holland? Take the bus! I'm gonna pick you up at Waterloo station, until then you'd have enough time to get the beer cold.  |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 6, 2014 17:42:24 GMT -5
Lets be honest, all these releases have been pretty rubbish. Noel's involvement seems minimal the tracks for the 3rd discs have frankly been bizzare. I mean a quick ask of the community would show them what people have and what they don't. Its either totally half arsed or they are saving things for future release to milk us some more. Noel has definitely had input into the process as he mentioned so during the XFM interview. With Definitely Maybe there was already a huge amount of alternative material in our hands what with all the demos and the studio outtakes on the Safety Masters. To get an unbootlegged Liam acoustic set and a HTWA demo I think was pretty good. Same with Morning Glory, the live stuff was unspectacular, but we didn't have any of the demos they released and the few we knew was there from 1992/3 they released. With Be Here Now, we should be getting a fair handful of the Mustique tracks we all hope and pray for. So I don't think they've done too bad. The extra point to make as well is that of course we have lots of the material eventually released like the DM demos, Maine Road, Knebworth, Earls Court etc. But how many of us is there? Maybe the low thousands? They'll be looking to shift tens if not hundreds of thousands of these worldwide over the next few years, mostly to people who don't have those tracks. We're the lucky ones who had so much of that alternative material early. You'll have to forgive me I haven't see every interview but I thought Noel said that he had been involved but had his own record going on and implied that he hadn't been fully involved? The 3rd discs just seem to have been scatter shot. I would have thought it would have been better to put everything together especially something like the mustique demos. Roskilde festival tracks for example don't we already have some of those? Did Owen Morris have full control? |
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Post by deadman on Nov 6, 2014 19:41:10 GMT -5
You'll have to forgive me I haven't see every interview but I thought Noel said that he had been involved but had his own record going on and implied that he hadn't been fully involved? Well he was talking in the XFM interview about the bonus material and not realising some of it still existed (probably the Mark Coyle-recorded stuff in particular). At a guess I'd say the list of available materials and a preliminary list was chosen and he was given that list for final approval with power of veto. Well the live aspect of the band has always been such a major part, I guess they wanted to highlight that somewhat. There could certainly have been some more imaginative live tracks selected, but then again we don't know what gig they hold professional recordings for. That debut performance of DLBIA from Sheffield would have been ideal but if they don't have a recording of it, then what can they do? Use the shitty quality bootleg version? I don't think so. Roskilde was a funny choice, they could have chosen Glastonbury - we know they have the multitracks for that, they used the drums for The Swamp Song, and they gave the multis of Supersonic to the Rock Band or Guitar Hero people a few years back and the mix of that sounds monstorous - far better than the BBC broadcast on the bootlegs. Also, using live material gives Liam some presence on the bonus tracks. We all know he didn't do demos for Morning Glory and Be Here Now and it's been commented that he didn't do many takes in the studio, so there's limited options there. Well he claimed he was sat with Ian Cooper doing them, but only Ian Cooper was credited with the remasterings in the booklets. Strange. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 8, 2014 12:49:13 GMT -5
I bet... hopefully tommorow News on a Sunday? That would be unusual for sure.  |
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Post by asimarx on Nov 11, 2014 11:55:46 GMT -5
Finally some real information about the reissues straight from the horse's mouth: soundcloud.com/xfm/pxgg-noelg-part3-rereleases (thanks to deadman for posting the link) Biggest bummer for me, Noel commenting on the bonus material for the two reissues so far: "that's not even half the stuff that what up for being put on it (...), there's a 25th anniversary to come, so...(cheeky laugh)." So yeah, deadman you were right, they're indeed holding material back. Another thing that bothers me is that a rerelease of Be Here Now hasn't been mentioned once by Noel during the few interview he gave since the announcement. He's always referring to the reissues as "those two". I'm probably tripping, seeing the campaign is called "Chasing The Sun 1993-1997" after all and Noel reasoning the long wait for his album release with the "reissues to stop selling". Hopefully, there'll be an announcement soon. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 11, 2014 11:59:20 GMT -5
Finally some real information about the reissues straight from the horse's mouth: soundcloud.com/xfm/pxgg-noelg-part3-rereleases (thanks to deadman for posting the link) Biggest bummer for me, Noel commenting on the bonus material for the two reissues so far: "that's not even half the stuff that what up for being put on it (...), there's a 25th anniversary to come, so...(cheeky laugh)." So yeah, deadman you were right, they're indeed holding material back. Another thing that bothers me is that a rerelease of Be Here Now hasn't been mentioned once by Noel during the few interview he gave since the announcement. He's always referring to the reissues as "those two". I'm probably tripping, seeing the campaign is called "Chasing The Sun 1993-1997" after all and Noel reasoning the long wait for his album release with the "reissues to stop selling". Hopefully, there'll be an announcement soon. Naturally they are holding the best stuff back. Gotta do those box sets or anthologies 20 years down the line like so many others artists have done like The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, The Who, Bob Dylan, I guess it never really stops. It's a future cash cow you don't tap into right away. |
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Post by andymorris on Nov 11, 2014 14:45:50 GMT -5
yeah we'll get the cool stuff when we're 50, if we're lucky.
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Post by nghfbs on Nov 11, 2014 15:00:10 GMT -5
Who the FUCK in Noel's management office is sitting around right now going "The demand is building for BHW re-issue…I can feel it!!!"
Fuck this.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 11, 2014 15:38:22 GMT -5
Be. Here. Now.
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Post by Rain on Nov 11, 2014 15:46:45 GMT -5
yeah we'll get the cool stuff when we're 50, if we're lucky. be in his late 70's drooling with no teeth,forgetting his name and can't see. The forum will be here though. |
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