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Post by The Invisible Sun on Sept 17, 2014 11:35:44 GMT -5
I don't really like The Beatles enough to be able to judge their entire albums. I just like a few songs from the albums and those are the ones I keep.
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Post by Praetorian on Sept 17, 2014 11:39:59 GMT -5
LIam is a bit of a joker, I wouldn't take anything he says seriously.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Sept 17, 2014 11:46:03 GMT -5
Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club is probably my favorite Beatles album, and while I don't love some songs like 'She's Leaving Home' and 'Being For the Benefit of Mr. Kite!', songs like 'A Day In The Life' more than make up for them.... i've even come to recently love, 'Fixing A Hole'....' I'm fixing a hole where the rain gets in, and stops my mind from wandering, where it will go......." i just love that. i also love the fact that Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band is different to previous Beatles albums....'Tomorrow Never Knows', the last track on Revolver shows signs of change but wow, even those outfits the Beatles wore for Sgt. Pepper's... were something else. as Kurt Cobain said, "The Beatles went from 'I Wanna Hold Your Hand' to 'Sgt. Pepper's', that's a massive progression" it takes balls to make that much a change, something Oasis never had the courage to do. like how Don't Believe The Truth was originally done with Death in Vegas but one of the guys in Death In Vegas said something like Oasis are a brand or something to that effect and can't rock the boat too much, that's a real bitch move. fuck it, you've already made tons of money, at that point they should've been releasing what they wanted and had fun...maybe they'd still be together had they done that. same situation with Noel not releasing the AA album, pussy move not to. and I don't think either of those albums will ever come out and that's a shame. God bless. Probably my favourite Beatles record too - that or Abbey Road. McCartney totally owns this album - I love all his tunes. There's not one bad track on it - probably Within You Without You or Being For The Benefit of Mr Kite. I don't think Lennon is up to the quality of McCartney on this one, in my opinion, Lucy In The Sky fades in comparison with other tunes on this album, though his contributution on She's Leaving Home is a highlight of the album and really makes that song stand out. I really really like When I'm Sixty Four - it's a great pastiche on Victorian English Music Hall, so understanding it in that context helps me appreciate that song more. Also, when Sgt Pepper is a psychedelic take on the old northern English park bands, it's an ideal tune for the concept too. All of McCartney's contributions But it's this album that makes me highlight McCartney's somewhat underrated contribution to The Beatles (in comparison with Lennon). Always thought he held it all together in The Beatles, even if at the times he was unbearable for the rest of the band. Again, if Lennon had his way, Abbey Road may have be full of avant-garde crap of the likes he was making with Yoko Ono. McCartney ensuring quality control - along with George Martin - in addition to ambition. Says it all when only one Beatles album provokes more discussion on its quality than the whole Oasis post 90s output. Noel was probably the one most willing to experiment and look forward in Oasis - you can tell by some of his songs when comparing with the rest of the band. However, being surrounded by luddites left, right and centre in the band and the production team, he would be fighting against a tide. Probably getting Andy Bell and Gem Archer on board was probably one of the biggest mistakes I feel - neither of them offered anything to Oasis, and they seemed only obsessed with music from the 60s and 70s. I'm worried that the boat might have sailed for Noel and experimenting now.You talk a lot of sense matt, there's no denying that, your posts (when not monologues) are always a must-read. But, the above quote is unfortunately becoming a bit of a pattern of yours. It matters not who Noel got in to replace Bonehead and Guigsy in 2000, NO ONE would have had the kahunas to tell Noel Gallagher what direction Oasis should take and be totally honest with yourself, you know he wouldn't have let them even if they did. Talk of production teams I agree with, when it comes to the woefully dull Dave Sardy, but on who's say is he there in the first place? Who continues to accept Sardy's uninspiring results, his tedious wanderings into 60s nostalgia, instead of "experient[ing] and look[ing] forward"? For christ sake, it was the other "luddities" in Oasis who went and got one of their albums produced by the most adventurous and exciting producer a Gallagher-related project's ever had, in the form of Dave Sitek. Not Noel. When Noel had absolutely full reigns over how his material would sound, what happened there? Did we get experimenting and looking forwards? No, we got abysmal dad-rock à la The Hindu Times and All In The Mind
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Post by defmaybe00 on Sept 17, 2014 11:46:24 GMT -5
LIam is a bit of a joker, I wouldn't take anything he says seriously. I know,you never know if he's being serious or not
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Sept 17, 2014 11:49:22 GMT -5
LIam is a bit of a joker, I wouldn't take anything he says seriously. I know,you never know if he's being serious or not He's not. I'm pretty sure he knows bugger all about this release.
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Post by matt on Sept 17, 2014 12:18:24 GMT -5
Probably my favourite Beatles record too - that or Abbey Road. McCartney totally owns this album - I love all his tunes. There's not one bad track on it - probably Within You Without You or Being For The Benefit of Mr Kite. I don't think Lennon is up to the quality of McCartney on this one, in my opinion, Lucy In The Sky fades in comparison with other tunes on this album, though his contributution on She's Leaving Home is a highlight of the album and really makes that song stand out. I really really like When I'm Sixty Four - it's a great pastiche on Victorian English Music Hall, so understanding it in that context helps me appreciate that song more. Also, when Sgt Pepper is a psychedelic take on the old northern English park bands, it's an ideal tune for the concept too. All of McCartney's contributions But it's this album that makes me highlight McCartney's somewhat underrated contribution to The Beatles (in comparison with Lennon). Always thought he held it all together in The Beatles, even if at the times he was unbearable for the rest of the band. Again, if Lennon had his way, Abbey Road may have be full of avant-garde crap of the likes he was making with Yoko Ono. McCartney ensuring quality control - along with George Martin - in addition to ambition. Says it all when only one Beatles album provokes more discussion on its quality than the whole Oasis post 90s output. Noel was probably the one most willing to experiment and look forward in Oasis - you can tell by some of his songs when comparing with the rest of the band. However, being surrounded by luddites left, right and centre in the band and the production team, he would be fighting against a tide. Probably getting Andy Bell and Gem Archer on board was probably one of the biggest mistakes I feel - neither of them offered anything to Oasis, and they seemed only obsessed with music from the 60s and 70s. I'm worried that the boat might have sailed for Noel and experimenting now.You talk a lot of sense matt, there's no denying that, your posts (when not monologues) are always a must-read. But, the above quote is unfortunately becoming a bit of a pattern of yours. It matters not who Noel got in to replace Bonehead and Guigsy in 2000, NO ONE would have had the kahunas to tell Noel Gallagher what direction Oasis should take and be totally honest with yourself, you know he wouldn't have let them even if they did. Talk of production teams I agree with, when it comes to the woefully dull Dave Sardy, but on who's say is he there in the first place? Who continues to accept Sardy's uninspiring results, his tedious wanderings into 60s nostalgia, instead of "experient[ing] and look[ing] forward"? For christ sake, it was the other "luddities" in Oasis who went and got one of their albums produced by the most adventurous and exciting producer a Gallagher-related project's ever had, in the form of Dave Sitek. Not Noel. When Noel had absolutely full reigns over how his material would sound, what happened there? Did we get experimenting and looking forwards? No, we got abysmal dad-rock à la The Hindu Times and All In The Mind That's a very fair point and, looking at it from that perspective, I've come round to agree with you.
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Post by Rain on Sept 17, 2014 12:20:48 GMT -5
i agree. looks like a beach boys cover
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 17, 2014 12:21:08 GMT -5
I don't mind Sgt Peppers but it would probably 5th or 6th on my list.
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Post by matt on Sept 17, 2014 12:21:51 GMT -5
Probably getting Andy Bell and Gem Archer on board was probably one of the biggest mistakes I feel - neither of them offered anything to Oasis. Bullshit, my frendah. With Gem Oasis sound wa s better - more riffs, complete solos, better chords. If that's the case, why weren't there any decent songs - especially from him, I thought everything he wrote was terrible In my opinion, the sound of Heathen Chemistry, Don't Believe The Truth and Dig Out Your Soul are dull albums musically.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 17, 2014 12:29:39 GMT -5
Oh I like To Be Where There's Life a lot, just think the bass should have been louder. Agree on the rest though
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Sept 17, 2014 12:31:03 GMT -5
To Be Where There's Life should have been the remix on the bonus disc. Much better version.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Sept 17, 2014 13:17:32 GMT -5
To Be Where There's Life is amazing when stoned.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Sept 17, 2014 13:18:28 GMT -5
Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club is probably my favorite Beatles album, and while I don't love some songs like 'She's Leaving Home' and 'Being For the Benefit of Mr. Kite!', songs like 'A Day In The Life' more than make up for them.... i've even come to recently love, 'Fixing A Hole'....' I'm fixing a hole where the rain gets in, and stops my mind from wandering, where it will go......." i just love that. i also love the fact that Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band is different to previous Beatles albums....'Tomorrow Never Knows', the last track on Revolver shows signs of change but wow, even those outfits the Beatles wore for Sgt. Pepper's... were something else. as Kurt Cobain said, "The Beatles went from 'I Wanna Hold Your Hand' to 'Sgt. Pepper's', that's a massive progression" it takes balls to make that much a change, something Oasis never had the courage to do. like how Don't Believe The Truth was originally done with Death in Vegas but one of the guys in Death In Vegas said something like Oasis are a brand or something to that effect and can't rock the boat too much, that's a real bitch move. fuck it, you've already made tons of money, at that point they should've been releasing what they wanted and had fun...maybe they'd still be together had they done that. same situation with Noel not releasing the AA album, pussy move not to. and I don't think either of those albums will ever come out and that's a shame. God bless. Probably my favourite Beatles record too - that or Abbey Road. McCartney totally owns this album - I love all his tunes. There's not one bad track on it - probably Within You Without You or Being For The Benefit of Mr Kite. I don't think Lennon is up to the quality of McCartney on this one, in my opinion, Lucy In The Sky fades in comparison with other tunes on this album, though his contributution on She's Leaving Home is a highlight of the album and really makes that song stand out. I really really like When I'm Sixty Four - it's a great pastiche on Victorian English Music Hall, so understanding it in that context helps me appreciate that song more. Also, when Sgt Pepper is a psychedelic take on the old northern English park bands, it's an ideal tune for the concept too. All of McCartney's contributions But it's this album that makes me highlight McCartney's somewhat underrated contribution to The Beatles (in comparison with Lennon). Always thought he held it all together in The Beatles, even if at the times he was unbearable for the rest of the band. Again, if Lennon had his way, Abbey Road may have be full of avant-garde crap of the likes he was making with Yoko Ono. McCartney ensuring quality control - along with George Martin - in addition to ambition. Says it all when only one Beatles album provokes more discussion on its quality than the whole Oasis post 90s output. Noel was probably the one most willing to experiment and look forward in Oasis - you can tell by some of his songs when comparing with the rest of the band. However, being surrounded by luddites left, right and centre in the band and the production team, he would be fighting against a tide. Probably getting Andy Bell and Gem Archer on board was probably one of the biggest mistakes I feel - neither of them offered anything to Oasis, and they seemed only obsessed with music from the 60s and 70s. I'm worried that the boat might have sailed for Noel and experimenting now. i think Andy and Gem were hired for a reason - to go with the flow, basically. here's a comparison: Brian Jones was fired from the Rolling Stones and Eric Clapton was rumored to replace him, but Mick and Keith didn't wanna give up that much creative control, which makes sense, but man, that would've been interesting to hear. it probably would've eventually turned sour with all that creative input, similar to the Beatles, though. instead the Stones brought in Mick Taylor who added solos and color to the songs, just like Brian Jones did; Brian jones didn't really write any music and/or didn't come up with the genesis of any songs - Brian did the xylophone part on 'Under My Thumb' and i think he did the sitar part on 'Paint It Black', both great contributions. like theyknowwhatimean kinda said, Oasis weren't really looking for more important input and Noel probably didn't want anymore. i always thought Gem played the Ronnie Wood role in Oasis more than anything, being good for a healthy band dynamic, getting along with everyone and Andy didn't cause any drama, so all was well. someone else said in this thread said Andy and Gem were brought in to improve musicianship but that's not saying much, Bonehead and Guigs were very average musicians, especially Bonehead, he only played barre chords for christ sake. and while Noel's a great songwriter and coming up with chords, he's not the best lead player by a long stretch. I've said on the forum a couple years ago, any second year music student could play any of the parts for Oasis songs, but that doesn't mean they aren't fucking awesome songs. anyone who wants to play music i tell: get a cheap acoustic guitar, a guitar tuner and learn the parts to Nirvana and Oasis songs because the songs are mind-numbingly easy but are catchy and amazing songs. anyway, i'm rambling - it's time for my afternoon nap, the coffee has officially worn off from the morning. God bless.
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Post by nahuel89p on Sept 17, 2014 13:18:59 GMT -5
To Be Where There's Life should have been the remix on the bonus disc. Much better version. Yeah, Richard fearless mix works great in a party.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 17, 2014 14:12:57 GMT -5
At least Bonehead could play multiple instruments, whereas Guigs couldn't even properly play the bass..apparently.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Sept 17, 2014 14:36:27 GMT -5
At least Bonehead could play multiple instruments, whereas Guigs couldn't even properly play the bass..apparently. Bonehead was also good for band chemistry, like Gem. and Guigsy didn't cause drama like how Andy didn't. i think that was their main contributions along with probably holding the drugs until the band was popular enough to have female groupies, and then the female groupies held the drugs and maybe the groupies played on some songs, it was the 90's after all and the cocaine was everywhere. for all we know, Beady’s Here Now played bass on 'Cast No Shadow'... God bless.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 17, 2014 14:42:16 GMT -5
At least Bonehead could play multiple instruments, whereas Guigs couldn't even properly play the bass..apparently. Bonehead was also good for band chemistry, like Gem. and Guigsy didn't cause drama like how Andy didn't. i think that was there main contributions along with probably holding the drugs until the band was popular enough to have female groupies, and then the female groupies held the drugs and maybe the groupies played on some songs, it was the 90's after all and the cocaine was everywhere. for all we know, Beady’s Here Now played bass on 'Cast No Shadow'... God bless. FAST FACT: Beady’s Here Now was a Dave Matthews fan in the 90s.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 17, 2014 14:44:39 GMT -5
Woah, you learn something new every day on here!
Woah.
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Post by yeayeayeah on Sept 17, 2014 15:20:11 GMT -5
White Album/ Abbey Road Rubber Soul Revolver A Hard Days Night SGT Pepper Magical Mystery Tour Help Let It Be Beatles For Sale With the Beatles Please Please Me
I would put DM and WTS around the Magical Mystery Tour mark but its hard to compare any band to the quality of the Beatles best albums. Sgt Pepper is great but it lacks a certain amount of energy ( mono version is better). With the exception of A Day in the Life, which is my favorite Beatles song, John underperformed on this album.
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Post by Greedy's Mighty Sigh on Sept 17, 2014 15:20:46 GMT -5
The 300th day of 2014. Write it in your diaries.
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Post by plaskins1 on Sept 17, 2014 15:30:12 GMT -5
27/10/2014. I have my diary open on this page. What am I writing down? First single release date from Noel's second album?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 17, 2014 15:36:21 GMT -5
The 300th day of 2014. Write it in your diaries.
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Post by matt on Sept 17, 2014 15:36:23 GMT -5
Probably my favourite Beatles record too - that or Abbey Road. McCartney totally owns this album - I love all his tunes. There's not one bad track on it - probably Within You Without You or Being For The Benefit of Mr Kite. I don't think Lennon is up to the quality of McCartney on this one, in my opinion, Lucy In The Sky fades in comparison with other tunes on this album, though his contributution on She's Leaving Home is a highlight of the album and really makes that song stand out. I really really like When I'm Sixty Four - it's a great pastiche on Victorian English Music Hall, so understanding it in that context helps me appreciate that song more. Also, when Sgt Pepper is a psychedelic take on the old northern English park bands, it's an ideal tune for the concept too. All of McCartney's contributions But it's this album that makes me highlight McCartney's somewhat underrated contribution to The Beatles (in comparison with Lennon). Always thought he held it all together in The Beatles, even if at the times he was unbearable for the rest of the band. Again, if Lennon had his way, Abbey Road may have be full of avant-garde crap of the likes he was making with Yoko Ono. McCartney ensuring quality control - along with George Martin - in addition to ambition. Says it all when only one Beatles album provokes more discussion on its quality than the whole Oasis post 90s output. Noel was probably the one most willing to experiment and look forward in Oasis - you can tell by some of his songs when comparing with the rest of the band. However, being surrounded by luddites left, right and centre in the band and the production team, he would be fighting against a tide. Probably getting Andy Bell and Gem Archer on board was probably one of the biggest mistakes I feel - neither of them offered anything to Oasis, and they seemed only obsessed with music from the 60s and 70s. I'm worried that the boat might have sailed for Noel and experimenting now. i think Andy and Gem were hired for a reason - to go with the flow, basically. here's a comparison: Brian Jones was fired from the Rolling Stones and Eric Clapton was rumored to replace him, but Mick and Keith didn't wanna give up that much creative control, which makes sense, but man, that would've been interesting to hear. it probably would've eventually turned sour with all that creative input, similar to the Beatles, though. instead the Stones brought in Mick Taylor who added solos and color to the songs, just like Brian Jones did; Brian jones didn't really write any music and/or didn't come up with the genesis of any songs - Brian did the xylophone part on 'Under My Thumb' and i think he did the sitar part on 'Paint It Black', both great contributions. like theyknowwhatimean kinda said, Oasis weren't really looking for more important input and Noel probably didn't want anymore. i always thought Gem played the Ronnie Wood role in Oasis more than anything, being good for a healthy band dynamic, getting along with everyone and Andy didn't cause any drama, so all was well. someone else said in this thread said Andy and Gem were brought in to improve musicianship but that's not saying much, Bonehead and Guigs were very average musicians, especially Bonehead, he only played barre chords for christ sake. and while Noel's a great songwriter and coming up with chords, he's not the best lead player by a long stretch. I've said on the forum a couple years ago, any second year music student could play any of the parts for Oasis songs, but that doesn't mean they aren't fucking awesome songs. anyone who wants to play music i tell: get a cheap acoustic guitar, a guitar tuner and learn the parts to Nirvana and Oasis songs because the songs are mind-numbingly easy but are catchy and amazing songs. anyway, i'm rambling - it's time for my afternoon nap, the coffee has officially worn off from the morning. God bless. But I feel part of the appeal with Oasis was Guigsy and Bonehead. Let's face it - they were basically punks who were average musicians, but like punks, they had the energy and vigour to make it Watching Andy and Gem - technically maybe more proficient, but Oasis post 2000 lacked a certain energy that they had with Guigs and Bonehead. What they lacked in talent, they made up for in passion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 15:39:51 GMT -5
The 300th day of 2014. Write it in your diaries. won't it already be in my diary? you know, what with days of the year already being in diaries??
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Sept 17, 2014 15:59:10 GMT -5
i think Andy and Gem were hired for a reason - to go with the flow, basically. here's a comparison: Brian Jones was fired from the Rolling Stones and Eric Clapton was rumored to replace him, but Mick and Keith didn't wanna give up that much creative control, which makes sense, but man, that would've been interesting to hear. it probably would've eventually turned sour with all that creative input, similar to the Beatles, though. instead the Stones brought in Mick Taylor who added solos and color to the songs, just like Brian Jones did; Brian jones didn't really write any music and/or didn't come up with the genesis of any songs - Brian did the xylophone part on 'Under My Thumb' and i think he did the sitar part on 'Paint It Black', both great contributions. like theyknowwhatimean kinda said, Oasis weren't really looking for more important input and Noel probably didn't want anymore. i always thought Gem played the Ronnie Wood role in Oasis more than anything, being good for a healthy band dynamic, getting along with everyone and Andy didn't cause any drama, so all was well. someone else said in this thread said Andy and Gem were brought in to improve musicianship but that's not saying much, Bonehead and Guigs were very average musicians, especially Bonehead, he only played barre chords for christ sake. and while Noel's a great songwriter and coming up with chords, he's not the best lead player by a long stretch. I've said on the forum a couple years ago, any second year music student could play any of the parts for Oasis songs, but that doesn't mean they aren't fucking awesome songs. anyone who wants to play music i tell: get a cheap acoustic guitar, a guitar tuner and learn the parts to Nirvana and Oasis songs because the songs are mind-numbingly easy but are catchy and amazing songs. anyway, i'm rambling - it's time for my afternoon nap, the coffee has officially worn off from the morning. God bless. But I feel part of the appeal with Oasis was Guigsy and Bonehead. Let's face it - they were basically punks who were average musicians, but like punks, they had the energy and vigour to make it Watching Andy and Gem - technically maybe more proficient, but Oasis post 2000 lacked a certain energy that they had with Guigs and Bonehead. What they lacked in talent, they made up for in passion. Thing is, although they most definitely were better as musicians, the band never really profited from that. Did the old songs sound better live? I'd even argue they sounded worse. Did they add any killer riffs or solos to songs? Can't think of any. Did either one write any songs that were above average? Not really.
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