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Jul 26, 2006 5:55:10 GMT -5
Post by Dominic on Jul 26, 2006 5:55:10 GMT -5
See i don't buy this Sony shite at all, if Noel really really wanted to stop the album he could have, it's very easy to blame the faceless record company, but come on people.
A certain Mr.Gallagher stands to become a lot richer. "Stop The Clocks" will probably sell as much as any album has in the UK, this CD is every football hooligan & chavs, who have uttered the words "skip to So Sally Can't Wait", dream.
It will positively bring the band and every mums favorite oasis member back into the limelight with songs like wonderwall and other anthems cluttering the airwaves, paving the way, in my personal opinion for Noel's solo project.
In my personal opinion Noels taken Oasis as far as HE thinks he can, does anyone really believe that he is personally slowing down and the rest within the band catching up? I don't. Hes been saving songs since the heathen chemistry session, to watch him live now theres a big juxtaposition with his brother, Noel just doesn't seem to have his heart in it maybe as much as it once was and just wants to but himself back on top of the lot, along with the David grays and other artists who spend a lot of time being played in wine bars and BMW CD players.
Well maybe not wine bars.
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Jul 26, 2006 6:54:18 GMT -5
Post by girlcalledelsa on Jul 26, 2006 6:54:18 GMT -5
that is a very interesting point actually.
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Jul 26, 2006 8:53:40 GMT -5
Post by globe on Jul 26, 2006 8:53:40 GMT -5
Honestly Dom, I don't think Noel will ever do a solo album.
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Jul 26, 2006 8:55:12 GMT -5
Post by Dominic on Jul 26, 2006 8:55:12 GMT -5
Then expect a fuckin' brilliant Oasis album in about 15 years ;d
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Jul 26, 2006 9:00:03 GMT -5
Post by globe on Jul 26, 2006 9:00:03 GMT -5
Well part of me kinda hopes that DBTT is the last Oasis album and they dont drag it out for another 10 years just for the sake of it.
Reason I dont think Noel will ever do a solo thing is coz he didnt even join a band until he was 24. Most people who play and compose songs are in bands from when they are at school. Noel sat on all these classic songs and we probably would never have heard them is Liam hadn't met up with Bonehead, Guigs and Tony. Just cant see it happening myself.
I hope he doesnt do it, I hope when Oasis do eventually finish that he becomes one of these mad recluses that you never hear about for years and wonder what he's doing.
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Jul 26, 2006 9:50:12 GMT -5
Post by mimmihopps on Jul 26, 2006 9:50:12 GMT -5
I hope he doesnt do it, I hope when Oasis do eventually finish that he becomes one of these mad recluses that you never hear about for years and wonder what he's doing. That's my thought too. |
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Jul 26, 2006 10:26:41 GMT -5
Post by wolffman on Jul 26, 2006 10:26:41 GMT -5
I hope he doesnt do it, I hope when Oasis do eventually finish that he becomes one of these mad recluses that you never hear about for years and wonder what he's doing. That's my thought too. He needs too much attention to do that IMO. He's very high on himself and I think he likes being on TV, etc. |
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Jul 26, 2006 10:34:00 GMT -5
Post by jlzoasis on Jul 26, 2006 10:34:00 GMT -5
See i don't buy this Sony shite at all, if Noel really really wanted to stop the album he could have, it's very easy to blame the faceless record company, but come on people. he cant stop the album its in their contract, Noel is Noel, not God LOL |
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Jul 26, 2006 10:44:47 GMT -5
Post by ToneBender on Jul 26, 2006 10:44:47 GMT -5
I have to say I strongly disagree that he's waiting for the band to catch up. He's said time and again how satisfied he is to not have to write all the songs and worry about all the ideas in the studio. Perhaps he's just nearly 40 y/o, enjoying spending time with his family, and realizing he's got almost $100 million in the bank? He's been around the world quite a bit at this point. Personally, I think the band would be better served spending a few years being a studio only group. It would save Liam's voice and their energy.
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Jul 26, 2006 10:54:37 GMT -5
Post by Dominic on Jul 26, 2006 10:54:37 GMT -5
i never said hes waiting for the band to catch up, i simple mean that while the bands been contributing more hes been able to hold himself back
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Jul 26, 2006 10:55:27 GMT -5
Post by Dominic on Jul 26, 2006 10:55:27 GMT -5
See i don't buy this Sony shite at all, if Noel really really wanted to stop the album he could have, it's very easy to blame the faceless record company, but come on people. he cant stop the album its in their contract, Noel is Noel, not God LOL Noel could stop it, Sony ive no doubt put the wheels in motion, Noel could have came to some sort of an argreement if he was totally agaisnt it |
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Jul 26, 2006 11:20:19 GMT -5
Post by Elias on Jul 26, 2006 11:20:19 GMT -5
If Sony wanted to release a GH they would've done, with or without Noel's blessing. The only thing he could've done is go to press to distance himself and the band from the album. This notion that Noel could've stopped it is nonsense. Plenty of discs are released by companies without the artist's consent - The Smiths being a prime example.
Also, why exactly is him becoming 'a lot richer' being made out to be a bad thing?? He wrote every fuckin song thats probably gonna end up on the album.
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Jul 26, 2006 11:25:34 GMT -5
Post by jlzoasis on Jul 26, 2006 11:25:34 GMT -5
he cant stop the album its in their contract, Noel is Noel, not God LOL Noel could stop it, Sony ive no doubt put the wheels in motion, Noel could have came to some sort of an argreement if he was totally agaisnt it Oasis came to the end of their contract, and did not resign, Sony owns most of the rights to Oasis' songs, so they could have done it with or without Noel and Oasis. Once you sign that contract, not even if you Noel Gallagher most of the time you can not stop it. Unless he wanted to sue, but on what basis would Noel sue? He agreed to it when he signed the contract...he had no leg to stand on. This is why Noel has that Sony was going do it anyways, thats he and Oasis sat down and picked the tracks...they couldnt stop it... |
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Jul 26, 2006 11:30:11 GMT -5
Post by NoelandMeMay29 on Jul 26, 2006 11:30:11 GMT -5
I'm sure the only way Noel could have stopped it is if Oasis resigned with Sony, and that's not gonna happen.
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Jul 26, 2006 11:32:26 GMT -5
Post by Dominic on Jul 26, 2006 11:32:26 GMT -5
If Sony wanted to release a GH they would've done, with or without Noel's blessing. The only thing he could've done is go to press to distance himself and the band from the album. This notion that Noel could've stopped it is nonsense. Plenty of discs are released by companies without the artist's consent - The Smiths being a prime example. Also, why exactly is him becoming 'a lot richer' being made out to be a bad thing?? He wrote every fuckin song thats probably gonna end up on the album. Eh where did i say that was a bad thing, i said it would be a reason for him maybe not to dig his heels in. Maybe you should have read the first post, or if you had some difficultie re read it. |
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Jul 26, 2006 11:36:18 GMT -5
Post by wankinginthebushes on Jul 26, 2006 11:36:18 GMT -5
Noel has NO choice in the matter, trust me.
SONY own the copyright to his songs. Big Brother have been buying back some of their catalogue of songs tho. So Noel might as well get involved and cash in
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Jul 26, 2006 11:55:24 GMT -5
Post by jlzoasis on Jul 26, 2006 11:55:24 GMT -5
Noel has NO choice in the matter, trust me. SONY own the copyright to his songs. Big Brother have been buying back some of their catalogue of songs tho. So Noel might as well get involved and cash in Thank you.  no one believes girls ;D |
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Jul 26, 2006 12:14:25 GMT -5
Post by Clint on Jul 26, 2006 12:14:25 GMT -5
you have no idea how the record business works dominic. There are so many fucking cases in history of the Record companies screwing over artists, legally... Record companies control the artists. It's why so many bands sign to indie labels, and why sony originally signed to creation. I wouldn't care if Noel wanted to do a greatest hits album.
I'm pretty sure he doesn't give a shit what we think "Oh man I better tell the fans that I'm not a sell out and that I really don't want this so they dont hate me"
Isn't Big Brother a subsidy of sony?
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Jul 26, 2006 13:11:29 GMT -5
Post by Mr. Monobrow on Jul 26, 2006 13:11:29 GMT -5
SONY own the copyright to his songs. Big Brother have been buying back some of their catalogue of songs tho. Says who? |
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Jul 26, 2006 13:27:35 GMT -5
Post by wankinginthebushes on Jul 26, 2006 13:27:35 GMT -5
SONY own the copyright to his songs. Big Brother have been buying back some of their catalogue of songs tho. Says who? says my source |
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Jul 27, 2006 4:36:07 GMT -5
Post by Dominic on Jul 27, 2006 4:36:07 GMT -5
you have no idea how the record business works dominic. There are so many fucking cases in history of the Record companies screwing over artists, legally... Record companies control the artists. It's why so many bands sign to indie labels, and why sony originally signed to creation. I wouldn't care if Noel wanted to do a greatest hits album. I'm pretty sure he doesn't give a shit what we think "Oh man I better tell the fans that I'm not a sell out and that I really don't want this so they dont hate me" Isn't Big Brother a subsidy of sony? but i have a good idea how contracts work, and noel has more rights than many beleive, why dosent the masterplan count in there deal, because its a compilation? well whats a greatest hits, when it comes out, and you see Noel on shows like Johnathen Ross, and on jo whily performing, give a long hard look at the cheif |
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Jul 27, 2006 14:08:30 GMT -5
Post by ToneBender on Jul 27, 2006 14:08:30 GMT -5
the band really have no control over it. they signed a 6 album deal with creation, which then got extended to sony. the deal left it open for sony/creation to release any compilations they saw fit on top of the 6 albums. the 6 have to be studio. thus the masterplan, familiar to millions, there and then, live by the sea, etc. not counting towards the 6. since they got signed to a recording contract, rather than a liscencing contract, Sony owns the masters to all of the albums. Oasis, has the publishing rights, which mean noel and co. get paid for publishing, but Sony still owns the masters, because technically, they funded the recordings, as per the recording contract. As such, Sony can choose to distribute those masters as they see fit (a GH compilation), until the contract runs out. It's common practice for record contracts to have a limitation on the labels control. An example of publishing rights versus master rights would be the beatles. because they dont own the publishing rights, they cant make any money off of other bands performing their songs. theres a reason all the beatles songs in commercials are small bands doing covers of them. this keeps the company from having to pay a band much to record it, and it means the company only has to pay for publishing rather than the masters, which they would do if they wanted the original recording. now as i understand it, if noel saw fit, he could start to buy out the masters of all of oasis' recordings so that 20 years from now, when he sees fit to liscence the songs out for commercials or re-releases, he gets the total profit and oversight as to how they are used and how they sound. of course the company has to also be WILLING to sell back the masters. for sony, its probably more profitable for them to keep the masters as seen by the use of AATW and HIABP in the AT&T and VS ads, respectively. The band got some performance and publishing money off of those uses, but not the money off of the actual master. A friend's band, The Spinto Band, as well as another friends band, did the smart thing and worked out their own financing for their first album. This allowed them to record at their pace, at their studio, with no A&R guys telling them what to do. In the Spinto Bands case, this allowed them to shop the album around to labels they wanted to work with. As a result, they signed a liscencing contract, rather than a recording contract, which gives the label in the US, whose name escapes me at the moment, the right to distribute the masters for 10 years at their profit, and in 10 years, the spinto band can either re-release it themselves, or shop it around for another contract. By doing this, they don't have to pay back a label what they owe from a recording contract. Had they signed a $200k recording contract, they wouldnt make any money on sales until they paid back that $200k to the label. So really, the band serves to make a lot more money out of this setup. Instead of going into a studio that cost $2k a day, the band recorded it at a friends studio in nashville and did parts in their own home setups as well as the studios at their respective universities. Now, they make a lot more money than a typical low sellin band signed to a major. Last I checked, they signed a liscensing contract with Radar, a subsidiary of Virgin in the UK. I hope this short little "lecture"(i kid, hope that doesnt come across the wrong way) on how the industry works was somewhat helpful and correct. If I'm wrong at any point in there, someone can correct me.  |
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Jul 28, 2006 21:02:04 GMT -5
Post by lyla on Jul 28, 2006 21:02:04 GMT -5
It will positively bring the band and every mums favorite oasis member back into the limelight with songs like wonderwall and other anthems cluttering the airwaves, paving the way, in my personal opinion for Noel's solo project. In my personal opinion Noels taken Oasis as far as HE thinks he can, does anyone really believe that he is personally slowing down and the rest within the band catching up? I don't. Hes been saving songs since the heathen chemistry session, to watch him live now theres a big juxtaposition with his brother, Noel just doesn't seem to have his heart in it maybe as much as it once was and just wants to but himself back on top of the lot, along with the David grays and other artists who spend a lot of time being played in wine bars and BMW CD players. Well maybe not wine bars. i get that thing about his heart not being in it. i think to him, all that he wanted from oasis is over. they did, more or less, what they set out to do and that the dreams of being as big as the beatles and taking on america wont ever eventuate like they planned because the hype/phenomenon has died down. sure they are still really popular, but its no longer crazy beatlesque type of mania like the mid nineties, and thats the kind of momentum a band needs and less 'raaaaaaaaaaaaa' to take over the world now. and so now, i think everything else is a bonus. noel said somewhere how there was a time where oasis should have packed it in, but that moments passed and now its too late, its a new phase and its gotta continue. i think he means that they col dhave been one of those short brilliant bands, that came and went. like the jam i suppose, release some awesome albums, get the fuck out and then noel doing a paul weller and having a solo career. i could see that happening but yeah, that moment passed, now they are more the U2 style band, going for longer and evolving their sound and their line up and maturing. so they wont jsut be remembered for the britpop days. i think oasis should pack it in before liam turns 40 - another 6 years so release hopefully 3, but i see 2 more albums - and one of those being a 'great' album. not cos im against older bands, but i think liam is about youth and especially these days he's the one that keeps oasis feeling fresh cos noel really does seem old and mature and a bit cynical about it all. and i think if it werent for liam, noel would have called it quits by now. i think noel will have a solo career after oasis, playing at smaller clubs and recording till he's an old man and i think it'll be different from 'oasis' songs but they'll be good. but liam, i dont think so. he's a frontman, any solo effort will be a bit contrived i think, running of oasis fame. |
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Jul 28, 2006 23:03:44 GMT -5
Post by meaningofsoul on Jul 28, 2006 23:03:44 GMT -5
I could see Oasis going on forever like The Who or The Stones...even if Noel thinks they should kick it when the hairline recedes...I'd bet they'll keep going. I agree with Lyla that the moment for punctuated brilliance has passed and that everything now is a bonus. I won't regret their decision to keep going. I think Noel and Liam are an endless source of talent (even if Liam's voice keeps fading). They'll continue to make great music, if not more different and mature.... It won't be music that will turn the world on its head, but good solid music that us dedicated fans will continue to listen to and enjoy for as long as they keep going.
In short, it'll be good. Oasis will live forever and not just in memory. Keep on keepin on, brothers.
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Jul 28, 2006 23:06:49 GMT -5
Post by meaningofsoul on Jul 28, 2006 23:06:49 GMT -5
Oh, and also.
Oasis won't be said and done until LIAM loses interest. Liam, if he's got his heart in it, he'll spur Noel on. But the day that Liam gets bored and lazy, the band will be done for.
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