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Post by xo0oo0ox on Jul 5, 2014 20:53:06 GMT -5
PF was never the same after Roger left, but the Division Bell was still a pretty good album. Would be interesting to hear more from those sessions...
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Post by Ash & Debris on Jul 6, 2014 23:32:16 GMT -5
Looking forward to it. Division Bell is a very underrated album. I've always been more in the Gilmour camp when it came to the Waters/Gilmour feud. To me, when I think of Pink Floyd, I think of the SOUND, and more specifically David Gilmour's ethereal godly guitar tone more so than Roger's lyrics. Though, both were obviously instrumental along with Rick and Mason.
It's interesting to note that the last Pink Floyd song in the last Pink Floyd album (The Division Bell 1994) ends with "The endless river...forever and ever)".
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Post by beentherenow on Jul 7, 2014 10:12:24 GMT -5
I'll probably buy it quite simply because it's 'new' or more specifically unheard Floyd material but I'm not expecting much. Whilst the Division Bell is a vast improvement on A Momentary Lapse of Reason its still far from my favourite. High Hopes however is without doubt in my top 10 Floyd songs
I think Floyd were obviously at the best when Gilmour and Waters worked together but my two favourite albums are actually Waters dominated 'The Wall' and 'Animals'. The Final Cut was far too Waters led just as much as MLOR was a Gilmour solo album.
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Post by Ash & Debris on Jul 7, 2014 11:49:26 GMT -5
I wouldn't say Animals is Waters-heavy, it was a very even collaboration. The close to 20-minutes long Dogs for example is ALL Gilmour.
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Post by beentherenow on Jul 7, 2014 13:54:39 GMT -5
I wouldn't say Animals is Waters-heavy, it was a very even collaboration. The close to 20-minutes long Dogs for example is ALL Gilmour. Dogs was quite an even collaboration if not 60/40 gilmour but the other 4 tracks are sole Waters compositions therefore you have to say its quite Waters heavy. All lyrics are Waters and therefore the theme, You can definitely feel him getting his stranglehold on the band, seeing a on side 2 no-one else gets a writing credit |
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Post by derektrotter on Jul 7, 2014 14:21:12 GMT -5
Can't wait...
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Post by xo0oo0ox on Nov 8, 2014 2:13:59 GMT -5
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Post by carlober on Nov 8, 2014 3:49:28 GMT -5
I really like it. Very intimate, sincere and relaxing.
Just don't expect to find another "Comfortably Numb" in it. It's not The Wall. And it's not Dark Side either... it's different.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2014 10:04:33 GMT -5
Guess I'm way to old school , I don't understand how people can call " the who ". The who without there rythem section ( moon and ox ) and there basically touring on there past yet people still think it's " the who ". No way
At least gilmoure and mason are putting out a lp. But. Im sorry ( and im not on rogers or David's side ) without waters and wright you can't call it floyd to me , and I would say the same if it was waters and mason
Why can't people like this just make music and not capitalize on name recognition ? There all rich , they may pull the wool over young kids eyes and have them say it's the who or floyd to sell more records and concert shows ......i will call it what it is. A duet from members of a band that were once called pink Floyd
At least when plant and page did there duet without jones ...they called it plant /Paige unleaded. this is not pink Floyd , it's like going to to vegas show to relive memories , not for me ...
And I'm not hating on those that WANNA call" the who ". That and fool yourselves into think you saw them that's your right ... Same with floyd and zep .....I saw the who with 3/4 of band and still don't feel like it was " the who " Moon was that much a force. Same for the ox ....
I saw floyd as a4 piece that was floyd waters , gilmoure , mason , wright , performing the wall when I was a kid ( yes I know no Barrett but he was not in on the classic 70 s lp s anyway so I saw floyd ). When I saw them as a3 piece without roger it was not floyd to me , so this is utter crap to call floyd without Rick ( rip ) and roger
And when I saw plant page jones at live aid I did not consider it zep like most ... Sorry but without members that drove a band ( bonzo , moon , ox Waters or DAVE ) it's not the group anymore
Can't wait to see a van Halen reunion without eddie and Alex ......... Not
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Post by Cast on Nov 8, 2014 12:01:51 GMT -5
Guess I'm way to old school , I don't understand how people can call " the who ". The who without there rythem section ( moon and ox ) and there basically touring on there past yet people still think it's " the who ". No way At least gilmoure and mason are putting out a lp. But. Im sorry ( and im not on rogers or David's side ) without waters and wright you can't call it floyd to me , and I would say the same if it was waters and mason Why can't people like this just make music and not capitalize on name recognition ? There all rich , they may pull the wool over young kids eyes and have them say it's the who or floyd to sell more records and concert shows ......i will call it what it is. A duet from members of a band that were once called pink Floyd At least when plant and page did there duet without jones ...they called it plant /Paige unleaded. this is not pink Floyd , it's like going to to vegas show to relive memories , not for me ... And I'm not hating on those that WANNA call" the who ". That and fool yourselves into think you saw them that's your right ... Same with floyd and zep .....I saw the who with 3/4 of band and still don't feel like it was " the who " Moon was that much a force. Same for the ox .... I saw floyd as a4 piece that was floyd waters , gilmoure , mason , wright , performing the wall when I was a kid ( yes I know no Barrett but he was not in on the classic 70 s lp s anyway so I saw floyd ). When I saw them as a3 piece without roger it was not floyd to me , so this is utter crap to call floyd without Rick ( rip ) and roger And when I saw plant page jones at live aid I did not consider it zep like most ... Sorry but without members that drove a band ( bonzo , moon , ox Waters or DAVE ) it's not the group anymore Can't wait to see a van Halen reunion without eddie and Alex ......... Not Amen. Bands like The Who, Led Zeppelin, Floyd, hell even the Stone Roses are the sum of their parts. Every member is essential to the sound of the band. The Who without Moon isn't the same at all. Nobody can replace him or the Ox. Two of the best and more importantly unique players that I've ever heard. The rhythm section in the Who is essential to their sound. The Real Me doesn't sound right unless Moon or the Ox are playing on it. I'm glad Zeppelin hasn't fallen into this trap. They've done a few stuff since Bonham passed but they understand that Zeppelin was the four of them together. Haven't heard this new album yet. Might give a few spins. Doubt it'll have lasting impact but it'd be worth it just to hear the craftsmanship behind it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2014 12:09:25 GMT -5
Guess I'm way to old school , I don't understand how people can call " the who ". The who without there rythem section ( moon and ox ) and there basically touring on there past yet people still think it's " the who ". No way At least gilmoure and mason are putting out a lp. But. Im sorry ( and im not on rogers or David's side ) without waters and wright you can't call it floyd to me , and I would say the same if it was waters and mason Why can't people like this just make music and not capitalize on name recognition ? There all rich , they may pull the wool over young kids eyes and have them say it's the who or floyd to sell more records and concert shows ......i will call it what it is. A duet from members of a band that were once called pink Floyd At least when plant and page did there duet without jones ...they called it plant /Paige unleaded. this is not pink Floyd , it's like going to to vegas show to relive memories , not for me ... And I'm not hating on those that WANNA call" the who ". That and fool yourselves into think you saw them that's your right ... Same with floyd and zep .....I saw the who with 3/4 of band and still don't feel like it was " the who " Moon was that much a force. Same for the ox .... I saw floyd as a4 piece that was floyd waters , gilmoure , mason , wright , performing the wall when I was a kid ( yes I know no Barrett but he was not in on the classic 70 s lp s anyway so I saw floyd ). When I saw them as a3 piece without roger it was not floyd to me , so this is utter crap to call floyd without Rick ( rip ) and roger And when I saw plant page jones at live aid I did not consider it zep like most ... Sorry but without members that drove a band ( bonzo , moon , ox Waters or DAVE ) it's not the group anymore Can't wait to see a van Halen reunion without eddie and Alex ......... Not Amen. Bands like The Who, Led Zeppelin, Floyd, hell even the Stone Roses are the sum of their parts. Every member is essential to the sound of the band. The Who without Moon isn't the same at all. Nobody can replace him or the Ox. Two of the best and more importantly unique players that I've ever heard. The rhythm section in the Who is essential to their sound. The Real Me doesn't sound right unless Moon or the Ox are playing on it. I'm glad Zeppelin hasn't fallen into this trap. They've done a few stuff since Bonham passed but they understand that Zeppelin was the four of them together. Haven't heard this new album yet. Might give a few spins. Doubt it'll have lasting impact but it'd be worth it just to hear the craftsmanship behind it. Exactly And in no way am I making fun of people who saw " the who " ( pete and roger ) and posting they saw them ,they saw a duet. Why cant pete nd roger call it that ?? Like plant / page did Same with this , love DAVE I thought his tour back in 80 s was better than rogers pros and cons of hitch hiking tour ... But why say pink Floyd  ? You can only be trying to sell more lp s and concert tix ...I guess I'm old to me that is so against the Rock spirit they carried when they were younger ,and there minted , Zep haven't fell into that trap and I hope it never occurs yea they played a few gigs , but I never considered it zep , im all for them playing together and I hope DAVE and Nick put out a great lp ....but is it PINK FLOYD ? Not in my book |
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Post by Ash & Debris on Nov 8, 2014 13:00:10 GMT -5
Wright contributed heavily to the music of this new album, his playing is almost on every song. Roger Waters was losing the plot in late 70s, The Wall is very hit and miss and The Final Cut is pretty terrible.
I'll gladly take 3/4 of Pink Floyd over nothing at all or Waters being involved and shutting everyone else out and turning it into a one-man show with his self-loathing lyrics.
The last two great PF albums to me are Animals and the Division Bell, the latter of which Waters had nothing to do with in fact.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 8, 2014 13:02:51 GMT -5
Amen. Bands like The Who, Led Zeppelin, Floyd, hell even the Stone Roses are the sum of their parts. Every member is essential to the sound of the band. The Who without Moon isn't the same at all. Nobody can replace him or the Ox. Two of the best and more importantly unique players that I've ever heard. The rhythm section in the Who is essential to their sound. The Real Me doesn't sound right unless Moon or the Ox are playing on it. I'm glad Zeppelin hasn't fallen into this trap. They've done a few stuff since Bonham passed but they understand that Zeppelin was the four of them together. Haven't heard this new album yet. Might give a few spins. Doubt it'll have lasting impact but it'd be worth it just to hear the craftsmanship behind it. Exactly And in no way am I making fun of people who saw " the who " ( pete and roger ) and posting they saw them ,they saw a duet. Why cant pete nd roger call it that ?? Like plant / page did Same with this , love DAVE I thought his tour back in 80 s was better than rogers pros and cons of hitch hiking tour ... But why say pink Floyd ? You can only be trying to sell more lp s and concert tix ...I guess I'm old to me that is so against the Rock spirit they carried when they were younger ,and there minted , Zep haven't fell into that trap and I hope it never occurs yea they played a few gigs , but I never considered it zep , im all for them playing together and I hope DAVE and Nick put out a great lp ....but is it PINK FLOYD ? Not in my book |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2014 13:12:07 GMT -5
Exactly And in no way am I making fun of people who saw " the who " ( pete and roger ) and posting they saw them ,they saw a duet. Why cant pete nd roger call it that ?? Like plant / page did Same with this , love DAVE I thought his tour back in 80 s was better than rogers pros and cons of hitch hiking tour ... But why say pink Floyd ? You can only be trying to sell more lp s and concert tix ...I guess I'm old to me that is so against the Rock spirit they carried when they were younger ,and there minted , Zep haven't fell into that trap and I hope it never occurs yea they played a few gigs , but I never considered it zep , im all for them playing together and I hope DAVE and Nick put out a great lp ....but is it PINK FLOYD ? Not in my book Sad. ......but very true ....... See funny thing about me ...if they distributed it as gilmoure / mason i would buy , same as townsend / daltrey. But to use the name of there bands and bill it that wAy ...well my 20 bucks they are not getting , nor my concert money ... They may gain some new fans , but they lost me. sure it don't matter ,but I know that ain't floyd or the who ...that counts to me anyways |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2014 13:15:27 GMT -5
Wright contributed heavily to the music of this new album, his playing is almost on every song. Roger Waters was losing the plot in late 70s, The Wall is very hit and miss and The Final Cut is pretty terrible. I'll gladly take 3/4 of Pink Floyd over nothing at all or Waters being involved and shutting everyone else out and turning it into a one-man show with his self-loathing lyrics. The last two great PF albums to me are Animals and the Division Bell, the latter of which Waters had nothing to do with in fact. I hear YA and the final cut sucked as I said im not picking sides at all ....and yea I'm glad there making music, just wish it wasn't called pink Floyd. , when they tour and bill it as pink floyd Rick won't be there roger won't be there, But ticket prices will be there , because of the name , why I don't like. .... But I see your point |
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Post by xo0oo0ox on Nov 8, 2014 21:00:14 GMT -5
Well, I've listened to it now, so here are some unorganized thoughts... For a bit of background, my three favorite Pink Floyd albums are: 1. The Final Cut (one of the most moving albums I've ever heard--a *lot* of fans will disagree) 2. Atom Heart Mother (beautiful pastoral psychedelia, not too self-serious--a lot of fans will disagree here too) 3. Dark Side of the Moon (surely everyone's heard this one) So anyway, a lot of PF fans might question my taste Overall, I think this album is definitely better than AMLOR (IMO the worst PF album by a mile). I'm not yet sure if I prefer it to TDB. My main complaint with the post-Waters albums is that they're rather soulless, and not in a good way. Waters was good at actually fleshing out the concepts attached to previous albums. In contrast, AMLOR and TDB are (IMO) rather pretentious and hollow, though TDB nevertheless has some good songs. The Endless River strikes me as much more down to earth and relatable than the other post-Waters albums. I suspect the lack of lyrics has a lot to do with this. It's "just" a latter day PF album and isn't brought down by lyrical posturing. Rick's keyboard playing shines on a lot of the tracks and would be a highlight of the album even if he was still around. There are a lot of nods to earlier albums but it doesn't devolve into self parody. I have mixed feelings about the last track (the only one with vocals). It's always surprised me how dull Gilmour's vocal melodies are, given the quality of his guitar solos. I can see why the track was included, but I think High Hopes may have been a better "epilogue" for the band... Anyway, this album certainly exceeded my expectations, though they weren't particularly high. |
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Post by Ash & Debris on Nov 9, 2014 4:51:18 GMT -5
Wright contributed heavily to the music of this new album, his playing is almost on every song. Roger Waters was losing the plot in late 70s, The Wall is very hit and miss and The Final Cut is pretty terrible. I'll gladly take 3/4 of Pink Floyd over nothing at all or Waters being involved and shutting everyone else out and turning it into a one-man show with his self-loathing lyrics. The last two great PF albums to me are Animals and the Division Bell, the latter of which Waters had nothing to do with in fact. I hear YA and the final cut sucked as I said im not picking sides at all ....and yea I'm glad there making music, just wish it wasn't called pink Floyd. , when they tour and bill it as pink floyd Rick won't be there roger won't be there, But ticket prices will be there , because of the name , why I don't like. .... But I see your point They've said that they don't plan on touring this album, so that should soften your reservation a bit. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2014 7:31:24 GMT -5
I hear YA and the final cut sucked as I said im not picking sides at all ....and yea I'm glad there making music, just wish it wasn't called pink Floyd. , when they tour and bill it as pink floyd Rick won't be there roger won't be there, But ticket prices will be there , because of the name , why I don't like. .... But I see your point They've said that they don't plan on touring this album, so that should soften your reservation a bit. Well that's cool. Thanks i didn't know , and it does ! I would have a problem with them touring under the floyd umbrella and charging 209 and up. But this is much better than roger and pete imo. Thanks ash ....and now I'll buy it. ! as I said I love DAVE. never took sides there |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 9, 2014 9:51:48 GMT -5
Well, I've listened to it now, so here are some unorganized thoughts... For a bit of background, my three favorite Pink Floyd albums are: 1. The Final Cut (one of the most moving albums I've ever heard--a *lot* of fans will disagree) 2. Atom Heart Mother (beautiful pastoral psychedelia, not too self-serious--a lot of fans will disagree here too) 3. Dark Side of the Moon (surely everyone's heard this one) So anyway, a lot of PF fans might question my taste Overall, I think this album is definitely better than AMLOR (IMO the worst PF album by a mile). I'm not yet sure if I prefer it to TDB. My main complaint with the post-Waters albums is that they're rather soulless, and not in a good way. Waters was good at actually fleshing out the concepts attached to previous albums. In contrast, AMLOR and TDB are (IMO) rather pretentious and hollow, though TDB nevertheless has some good songs. The Endless River strikes me as much more down to earth and relatable than the other post-Waters albums. I suspect the lack of lyrics has a lot to do with this. It's "just" a latter day PF album and isn't brought down by lyrical posturing. Rick's keyboard playing shines on a lot of the tracks and would be a highlight of the album even if he was still around. There are a lot of nods to earlier albums but it doesn't devolve into self parody. I have mixed feelings about the last track (the only one with vocals). It's always surprised me how dull Gilmour's vocal melodies are, given the quality of his guitar solos. I can see why the track was included, but I think High Hopes may have been a better "epilogue" for the band... Anyway, this album certainly exceeded my expectations, though they weren't particularly high. Wait, so there is only singing on one song? |
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Post by xo0oo0ox on Nov 9, 2014 11:08:36 GMT -5
Wait, so there is only singing on one song? That's right. Only the final track has vocals. I'm actually amazed a nearly entirely instrumental rock album has sold so many copies. Some highlights: |
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Post by fabulousbakers on Nov 10, 2014 2:33:44 GMT -5
I'm really enjoying this new Floyd album. I'd hoped Noel's AA work would be more like this instead of all those wailing female voices.
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Post by beentherenow on Nov 11, 2014 8:55:50 GMT -5
I still haven't brought this, despite Floyd being my favourite band. I've always preferred the Waters led era and wasn't the biggest fan of AMLOR or TDB therefore I'm not exactly rushing to get it,
I can see peoples opinions of bands carrying on under names and I agree. However Floyd have been a brand more than band for much longer than this release. By rights they maybe could have changed their name after Barrett left. He was the focal point of that band and almost solely responsible for their creative output and initial early success. When he left there was hardly anything reminiscent of the bands previous efforts.
Even more so I'd argue when Waters left and Gilmour released AMLOR under the Floyd name was the final nail in Floyd as a band in traditional band. That album only has Mason left from PATGOD (I know Wright contributed) but it was a sole Gilmour project with songwriting credits given to 5 different non Floyd personal. Critics at the time said it was closer to the traditional Floyd sound when compared to its predecessor but what is the traditional Floyd sound?? Their sound evolved so much after the Barratt era. Their two most successful albums (Dark Side and The Wall) sound nothing alike. So to me I hated when I read that, to me AMLOR was like listening to a Dark-Side era Floyd tribute band. Whereas at least the Final Cut was a natural progression for the band. Bands evolve their sound but AMLOR was a different band under the same brand.
That's why I don't mind this release so much because at least it has Wright make full songwriting contributions along with Gilmour rather than Tom, Dick and Harry off the two previous albums |
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Post by carlober on Jul 16, 2015 11:57:15 GMT -5
New Gilmour album coming in September, called Rattle That Lock. The first track (which bears the same name) will apparently debut tomorrow on the radio, and you can hear a snippet in the video below.  |
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Post by carlober on Jul 17, 2015 3:35:31 GMT -5
The single is here! I really like it, it's not what I was expecting but it sounds very fresh and upbeat! vid.me/1noM |
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Post by discworld on Jul 17, 2015 6:03:26 GMT -5
Now, everyone knows the jingle of the french train company SNCF.
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