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Post by berndie on Jun 7, 2014 4:33:30 GMT -5
this singing isn too bad, ive heard worse of him. gem in a pg shirt pisses noel off prob.
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Post by cigsandalc on Jun 7, 2014 5:06:58 GMT -5
LOVE IT! What the hell are you all talking about, this is a great vocal! such power... WOW! I WANT OASIS BACK I'm talking about the breaking of the band. You can clearly see Liam is looking at Noel finishing the song on his own and knowing that he can't sing like he used to, and isn't needed by his brother anymore; and the heart just isn't in it anymore. That's what I get from that anyway I love it when people try to read something into the looks/gestures of liam... Watch Whatever of the 2nd Maine Road gig. Liam was pissed and angry, looked like he could smash noels head in anytime, noel even looked a bit scared as he sang with liam behind him but nothing happened, no one thought after that "ough i think liam knows now noel ist the better singer and the band will split up". Of course things at that time weren´t the best but just because of that song/gig/even tour i don´t think liam was scared that noel could do it on his own and leaves the band or that he can´t sing the songs good enough anymore. maybe he had a bad day, maybe there was a fight with noel, fuck knows... he came on stage and did what he always does. not giving a shit and singing the songs. sometimes drunk, sometimes happy, sometimes sober, sometimes angry. It´s not his fault that there are people like us looking at those videos a thousand times analyzing every move of him. i haven´t heard of one single person who actually was at that gig who said that it was a bad gig and that´s what it´s all about i think. Stop watching yt videos and go to the gigs in real life
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jun 7, 2014 5:25:58 GMT -5
Eh, I've always liked that gig. It's intense. I wish Beady Eye had the same energy... You must have gone to an off night. The gigs I've been to have always been filled with energy.
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Post by mouth on Jun 7, 2014 6:06:41 GMT -5
again, way too slow and liam's singing is annoying. i don't know how anyone who heard oasis performing live before - let's say 2002 or 2003 - can say that that would be brilliant. Your epitaph will probably read 'Forum member mouth, mad at Liam since 2002' nah, i just think he can't sing anymore, even if his life depended on it. that's why i can't enjoy most of the gigs after 2003 or '04 (can't remember, i think it started with that infamous glastonbury gig). and in general i don't like the "new" oasis sound. it sounds too polished and most of the times they played the songs too slow (not to mention that they played the same songs over and over and over again, which didn't help to increase the enjoyment factor). i think the last live rendition i actually enjoyed must have been from the sotsog tour (there are few exceptions though, electric proms 2008 were in bits really enjoyable and i love all of noel's tiny little solo acoustic gigs he did in the 00ies). though that doesn't mean that i don't like the newer albums (with the exception of heathen chemistry, you're not supposed to like an album that has little by little and hung in a bad place on it).
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Post by bardes on Jun 7, 2014 6:24:55 GMT -5
I love this performance.. one of my favourites.
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Post by thomuk2006 on Jun 8, 2014 6:03:00 GMT -5
I would love to know more about that whole last tour... I think they knew they were going to split at the end of the tour.....
Noel is very emotional at a lot of the shows during the tour... things were clearly not happy in the band! Have a feeling they were going to split after the tour... but things got so intense they couldn't even reach the end.
Look at Noel crying here, as if he knows it's the end, for both the band and his and his brothers relationship:
and look how emotional here. he is close to crying a few times, as if he knows he is going to miss playing to such huge crowds.
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Post by mouth on Jun 8, 2014 6:22:01 GMT -5
I would love to know more about that whole last tour... I think they knew they were going to split at the end of the tour..... Noel is very emotional at a lot of the shows during the tour... things were clearly not happy in the band! Have a feeling they were going to split after the tour... but things got so intense they couldn't even reach the end. Look at Noel crying here, as if he knows it's the end, for both the band and his and his brothers relationship: and look how emotional here. he is close to crying a few times, as if he knows he is going to miss playing to such huge crowds. muahahahahahha, what? don't be daft, he surely is not about to cry.
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Post by discworld on Jun 8, 2014 11:56:57 GMT -5
Noel said several times he was in pain during the whole tour after his attack.
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Post by Corky Ianucci on Jun 8, 2014 15:34:25 GMT -5
this thread is heartbreaking.
Thanks.
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Jun 8, 2014 16:19:51 GMT -5
The sad thing is that if you watch this video and imagine that the singer and guitarist in the pink shirt aren't brothers you think: What the fuck these two guys are doing in the same band together ?
Anyway, is there a bootleg or video of the whole concert somewhere?
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Post by imthewalrus79 on Jun 9, 2014 18:54:45 GMT -5
I think the saddest thing about it all is that, in the end, these two brothers, who I believe deep in their hearts really do love and respect each other, could never grow up and deal with any issues between them like two adults. Instead, they always seemed to revert back to being those two little kids made to share a bedroom in Burnage.
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Post by shinealight on Jun 10, 2014 6:43:20 GMT -5
I like that version of Slide Away. Like someone said, emotions...energy, fine by me I guess Liam ( totally agree with him ) was not keen on this festival audiences where there was too many idiots or ppl who won tickets etc and were not really into Oasis.
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Jun 10, 2014 7:29:02 GMT -5
Liam's look at Noel's microphone at 0:34 is one of the funniest thing i ve seen from Gallaghers ever
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Post by shinealight on Jun 10, 2014 7:31:46 GMT -5
What an eerie performance. I know Liam was in a bad mood all night but the 'take me there' outro gives me chills. This really shows the downfall and break-up of the band in one performance Liam has changed a lot in last 8 years. Before Liam was too stoned to be mad for long. The point of Oasis career Liam should be enjoying and more relaxed, but he wasn't. He wanted more and more control. He hated being outshine by Noel and hated not controlling the ship. Noel did and when oasis started he had to. Noel's songs drove the band to fame and Liam was just frustrated, tired and changed. Since oasis split, I've seen Noel grew leap and bounds. Liam is struggling. Beady Eye is lack luster with sales, Liam's personal life is a mess and Pretty Green is only thing seems solid. Noel didn't need Liam, because his confidence grew. Can I disagree? it were Noel comments bout solo album what made Liam angry at first. Noel wanted out and Liam knew it s gonna be the end of oasis. Andy , gem and the rest got on well with Liam , just Noel could not. When u say A u must not forget to say B. Noel s songs drove band to the fame but who knows...without Liam it would be daddyrock (as it is now) from point o. I would not say Liam is struggling. it might be fair to say that he deals with the reception badly at some points but overall ... if Noel did rock n roll and not singing for the whole families he might have not been so successful. Last point Liam s personal life... based on the sun, daily mail etc? just to get the facts right mate....
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Post by Rain on Jun 10, 2014 12:34:11 GMT -5
Liam has changed a lot in last 8 years. Before Liam was too stoned to be mad for long. The point of Oasis career Liam should be enjoying and more relaxed, but he wasn't. He wanted more and more control. He hated being outshine by Noel and hated not controlling the ship. Noel did and when oasis started he had to. Noel's songs drove the band to fame and Liam was just frustrated, tired and changed. Since oasis split, I've seen Noel grew leap and bounds. Liam is struggling. Beady Eye is lack luster with sales, Liam's personal life is a mess and Pretty Green is only thing seems solid. Noel didn't need Liam, because his confidence grew. Can I disagree? it were Noel comments bout solo album what made Liam angry at first. Noel wanted out and Liam knew it s gonna be the end of oasis. Andy , gem and the rest got on well with Liam , just Noel could not. When u say A u must not forget to say B. Noel s songs drove band to the fame but who knows...without Liam it would be daddyrock (as it is now) from point o. I would not say Liam is struggling. it might be fair to say that he deals with the reception badly at some points but overall ... if Noel did rock n roll and not singing for the whole families he might have not been so successful. Last point Liam s personal life... based on the sun, daily mail etc? just to get the facts right mate.... No, Liam's personal life not just base on the sun. Quite the fact with his divorce, his girlfriend and his court appearance in NYC over a child he had out of wedlock. I agree with most imthewalrus79 statement. The problem Liam wasn't being professional in itunes performance. The fans and crowd shouldn't have to put up his tantrums. Well known fact about Noel not wanting to promote or force to wear Pretty Green clothing for free. It's possible the fight of that happened before the gig.
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Post by cigsandalc on Jun 10, 2014 13:32:17 GMT -5
Well known fact about Noel not wanting to promote or force to wear Pretty Green clothing for free. It's possible the fight of that happened before the gig. Fact?
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Post by derektrotter on Jun 10, 2014 15:06:16 GMT -5
Oasis will return...soon...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 17:07:53 GMT -5
This thread is heartbreaking for live4ever forum fans. Get it together you nerdy bickering fucks. Im pretty sure your online arguments are a million times more embarrassing than any bad Liam vocal. Soz.
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Post by LlAM on Jun 10, 2014 23:45:45 GMT -5
Can I disagree? it were Noel comments bout solo album what made Liam angry at first. Noel wanted out and Liam knew it s gonna be the end of oasis. Andy , gem and the rest got on well with Liam , just Noel could not. When u say A u must not forget to say B. Noel s songs drove band to the fame but who knows...without Liam it would be daddyrock (as it is now) from point o. I would not say Liam is struggling. it might be fair to say that he deals with the reception badly at some points but overall ... if Noel did rock n roll and not singing for the whole families he might have not been so successful. Last point Liam s personal life... based on the sun, daily mail etc? just to get the facts right mate.... No, Liam's personal life not just base on the sun. Quite the fact with his divorce, his girlfriend and his court appearance in NYC over a child he had out of wedlock. I agree with most imthewalrus79 statement. The problem Liam wasn't being professional in itunes performance. The fans and crowd shouldn't have to put up his tantrums. Well known fact about Noel not wanting to promote or force to wear Pretty Green clothing for free. It's possible the fight of that happened before the gig. Noel refused to let Liam promote Pretty Green for free in their tour program. I doubt that "argument" happened before this gig, as the tour program was already printed. True fact.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 11, 2014 1:51:19 GMT -5
Can I disagree? it were Noel comments bout solo album what made Liam angry at first. Noel wanted out and Liam knew it s gonna be the end of oasis. Andy , gem and the rest got on well with Liam , just Noel could not. When u say A u must not forget to say B. Noel s songs drove band to the fame but who knows...without Liam it would be daddyrock (as it is now) from point o. I would not say Liam is struggling. it might be fair to say that he deals with the reception badly at some points but overall ... if Noel did rock n roll and not singing for the whole families he might have not been so successful. Last point Liam s personal life... based on the sun, daily mail etc? just to get the facts right mate.... No, Liam's personal life not just base on the sun. Quite the fact with his divorce, his girlfriend and his court appearance in NYC over a child he had out of wedlock. I agree with most imthewalrus79 statement. The problem Liam wasn't being professional in itunes performance. The fans and crowd shouldn't have to put up his tantrums. Well known fact about Noel not wanting to promote or force to wear Pretty Green clothing for free. It's possible the fight of that happened before the gig. Jumping in on this discussion..... Noel greatly matured post-2004. From the DBTT era onwards, he changed into someone who is responsible, and seemingly a good father. I would even say he's a good role model, who got his life straightened out after the chaotic BHN days. I really respect Noel. When you listen to an interview with him, you actually pay attention because he still has the wit and sarcasm of his younger days, but now it's coupled with logic and levelheadedness. Liam, on the other hand, has not matured. I'm saying that objectively and comparatively, and don't mean it as a slight. Because of this growing dichotomy of personalities, they grew farther apart. Remember the Wibbling Rivalry interview? As hilarious as those 9 minutes were (especially the part about knowing John Lennon - I laugh every time), there's an underlying portion that showcases the struggle between the two: It's when Liam claims that Rock N Roll is about the crazy behavior, while Noel claims it's all about the "Music, Music, Music....It's not about me, it's not about you." Now, I'm of the opinion that both matter, it's not as black and white as either of them voiced in that interview segment, which provides an interesting discussion in a latter thread. But that's what causes the schism, in my opinion. Yeah, there's control issues and frustration, but there's also a lot of admiration between the two: I've heard Noel compliment Liam's singing a thousand times, and I've heard Liam say that he's nothing without those songs that Noel writes. But when the maturity gap becomes so extreme, both can only tolerate so much. I'm sure Noel's growing maturity led to perceived more control, whereas Liam' lack of mature growth became a perceived endangerment to the band's stability. Essentially, Liam believing that Noel took Oasis too seriously (and with that comes the concept of more control), whereas Noel saw Liam not taking Oasis seriously enough (reckless behavior damaged the band's reputation in the past, and after working so hard to restore it, he saw Liam as callous and disrespectful, to say the least). And you know what? Just like the 1996 interview referenced above, both are right to some extent. To some extent.As a side note and non-sequitur, I've mentioned this before: Is it just me who thinks Liam has become very tense on stage, starting with the DOYS era circa 2009? Even when he's not angry. He just looks so tense. He used to swagger gracefully across the stage, very relaxed. Now he looks so stiff. It bothers me. He once epitomized coolness - I want that Liam back. The hair style would be a good place to start.
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Jun 11, 2014 8:04:41 GMT -5
To be fair. Liam had such a easy life. He was 19 when his brother wrote great songs that made him a big rock star. All he had to do is stand still, sing them and get drunk. He had a great voice so he didn't have to even work on it or anything, he was just born with it. Wasn't even bothered to organise tour or gigs, being involved in any of the recordings or management decisions.
Now he's a milionaire and his voice's just not that great as it was, which is probably his fault due to smoking and non stop partying over the last 20 years, and he's acting just like an angry child who wants another expensive toy. For the first time ever he met some tough shit or any kind of trouble on his lucky golden path and he looks like it was his penalty that he have to sing Slide Away. I love him, and his selfish attitude is what made Oasis but sometimes i think: fuck him. Cry Baby Cry.
At the end of the day he is no different from any of us, he was just lucky to get where he is now. It's just his voice is gettin a bit worse and he's not gettin along with his elder brother anymore. Oh me oh my, really ? That's what he's so miserable about ? Go and tell it to the man who lives in hell.
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