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Post by freek on Feb 16, 2020 2:14:35 GMT -5
People are also just tallying up the certifications, this is a bad way of going about things. For example, let's say one certification is 5k and the next is 25k. If I sell 24k, certification says I sold 5k. This is why I've seen figures for MG that say 17mil, when in reality it did 22-23mil. Long story short, people are counting certified sales instead of actual sales. 22 million sales for MG seems to be inflated, as it is 'only' certified For 13/14. I tink there's little proof for selling more than 18/19 million. |
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Post by freek on Feb 16, 2020 2:16:55 GMT -5
So there are like 3 or 4 million unsold copies of DBTT? That can be called unsuccesful. I wouldn't have guessed. Can it though? If I ship out 6mil and sell 4mil, did I succeed because I sold a lot, or a failure because I didn't meet the sales expectations? True, but selling under 3 million when expected over 6 million is a big difference. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 16, 2020 10:12:02 GMT -5
People are also just tallying up the certifications, this is a bad way of going about things. For example, let's say one certification is 5k and the next is 25k. If I sell 24k, certification says I sold 5k. This is why I've seen figures for MG that say 17mil, when in reality it did 22-23mil. Long story short, people are counting certified sales instead of actual sales. The only fair way to do this is collect the cashiers receipts and hand tally!  |
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Post by Headmaster on Feb 16, 2020 10:12:06 GMT -5
MG 22-23 numbers are right I think, 1995 used to be a vastly different world from 2005, in 95 even if you only wanted to hear Wonderwall you had to buy the album, at least outside UK.
DBTT numbers however are very debatable, in 2005 you could easily illegally download an album already.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 16, 2020 10:13:48 GMT -5
MG 22-23 numbers are right I think, 1995 used to be a vastly different world from 2005, in 95 even if you only wanted to hear Wonderwall you had to buy the album, at least outside UK. DBTT numbers however are very debatable, in 2005 you could easily illegally download an album already. Those fluffed up numbers for DBTT (6-7 million are way off the mark). It probably did 3 million globally. It only sold about 1.2 million when you combine UK and USA. Another 300,000 if you add Germany and Japan. Those are the 4 biggest CD selling markets. I simply don't see how Oasis sold 6-7 million. |
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Post by freek on Feb 16, 2020 15:05:44 GMT -5
MG 22-23 numbers are right I think, 1995 used to be a vastly different world from 2005, in 95 even if you only wanted to hear Wonderwall you had to buy the album, at least outside UK. DBTT numbers however are very debatable, in 2005 you could easily illegally download an album already. I'd really like MG to have sold 22-23, but I'm looking for more proof than 1995 is a different year than 2005. Of course it is, but I don't see where it should be coming from. UK 5 mill, US 5 mill maybe, Japan and Germany somewhat over half a million, just like France and Australia and maybe just under a million in Canada. What am I missing? |
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Post by Headmaster on Feb 16, 2020 16:42:33 GMT -5
MG 22-23 numbers are right I think, 1995 used to be a vastly different world from 2005, in 95 even if you only wanted to hear Wonderwall you had to buy the album, at least outside UK. DBTT numbers however are very debatable, in 2005 you could easily illegally download an album already. I'd really like MG to have sold 22-23, but I'm looking for more proof than 1995 is a different year than 2005. Of course it is, but I don't see where it should be coming from. UK 5 mill, US 5 mill maybe, Japan and Germany somewhat over half a million, just like France and Australia and maybe just under a million in Canada. What am I missing? Let me guess: US - 4 UK - 5 Europa minus UK - 5 South America/Mexico/Canada - 1,5 Japan/Asia - 1,5 Australia/Other places - 1,5 Ok it's very hard to guess, I would say more o less these numbers, still can see MG selling at least 18 millions ww. |
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Post by freek on Mar 8, 2020 5:10:40 GMT -5
So, we end up somewhere round 18 million.
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Post by thomuk2006 on Mar 8, 2020 5:14:54 GMT -5
This thread is pointless! the answer is; 70 million albums sold. From an official source! www.oasisinet.com/#!/music |
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Post by freek on Mar 8, 2020 9:15:20 GMT -5
I don't think oasis' own website counts as the most objective of sources. And also, it's hard to find some evidenceevidence supporting claims of more than 50 million album sales. 70 or 80 million records, including downloads, could be true actually.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 8, 2020 9:52:52 GMT -5
This thread is pointless! the answer is; 70 million albums sold. From an official source! www.oasisinet.com/#!/music I figure....... DM: 8 MG: 20 BHN: 8 SOTSOG: 2 HC: 3 DBTT: 3 DOYS: 2 That’s roughly 46 million. Still need another 24 million records sold to hit 70 million. Hmmm......... |
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Post by freek on Mar 8, 2020 12:32:53 GMT -5
And STC 3, TF 2, FTM 1, The Masterplan 2, so it gets closer, but not enough, I guess
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Post by matt on Mar 8, 2020 16:36:52 GMT -5
This thread is pointless! the answer is; 70 million albums sold. From an official source! www.oasisinet.com/#!/music I figure....... DM: 8 MG: 20 BHN: 8 SOTSOG: 2 HC: 3 DBTT: 3 DOYS: 2 That’s roughly 46 million. Still need another 24 million records sold to hit 70 million. Hmmm......... I'd be surprised if DOYS reached even 2 million. That bombed out the charts pretty quickly (such is life when you include so much shit on it, go figure Noel). |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 8, 2020 18:07:35 GMT -5
I figure....... DM: 8 MG: 20 BHN: 8 SOTSOG: 2 HC: 3 DBTT: 3 DOYS: 2 That’s roughly 46 million. Still need another 24 million records sold to hit 70 million. Hmmm......... I'd be surprised if DOYS reached even 2 million. That bombed out the charts pretty quickly (such is life when you include so much shit on it, go figure Noel). I’m being generous with my totals. It’s still way short of 70 million albums. |
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Post by matt on Mar 8, 2020 18:13:17 GMT -5
I'd be surprised if DOYS reached even 2 million. That bombed out the charts pretty quickly (such is life when you include so much shit on it, go figure Noel). I’m being generous with my totals. It’s still way short of 70 million albums. Oh I know that, but even with your figures you could arguably make a case and say it's shorter than 46 million. |
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Post by The Escapist on Mar 8, 2020 18:20:20 GMT -5
Have Coldplay outsold Oasis? If so, when did they overtake?
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Post by Zingbot on Mar 8, 2020 18:35:15 GMT -5
Have Coldplay outsold Oasis? If so, when did they overtake? It's been said that they have sold about 55 mil. Oasis are said to have done about 70mil(including singles). I'm not sure if that coldplay figure is accurate and if it includes singles. So maybe, maybe not. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 8, 2020 20:13:13 GMT -5
Have Coldplay outsold Oasis? If so, when did they overtake? It's been said that they have sold about 55 mil. Oasis are said to have done about 70mil(including singles). I'm not sure if that coldplay figure is accurate and if it includes singles. So maybe, maybe not. Don’t underestimate the amount of singles Coldplay have pushed. Viva, Paradise and Sky of Stars were massive massive digital sellers. All a million each. |
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Post by Zingbot on Mar 8, 2020 20:35:07 GMT -5
It's been said that they have sold about 55 mil. Oasis are said to have done about 70mil(including singles). I'm not sure if that coldplay figure is accurate and if it includes singles. So maybe, maybe not. Don’t underestimate the amount of singles Coldplay have pushed. Viva, Paradise and Sky of Stars were massive massive digital sellers. All a million each. I think they've beaten Oasis. Viva La Vida on It's own has sold over 5mil. copies, more than any Oasis single. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 8, 2020 20:50:58 GMT -5
Don’t underestimate the amount of singles Coldplay have pushed. Viva, Paradise and Sky of Stars were massive massive digital sellers. All a million each. I think they've beaten Oasis. Viva La Vida on It's own has sold over 5mil. copies, more than any Oasis single. Plus Parachutes, Rush, X&Y and Viva all combined to sell over 11 million in America alone. Oasis prob is at less than 7 million total over 7 albums. |
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Post by Zingbot on Mar 8, 2020 20:54:29 GMT -5
I think they've beaten Oasis. Viva La Vida on It's own has sold over 5mil. copies, more than any Oasis single. Plus Parachutes, Rush, X&Y and Viva all combined to sell over 9 million in America alone. Oasis prob is at less than 7 million total over 7 albums. I think 7 mil. is about right. Oasis could've maintained success like Coldplay if they'd made smarter decisions. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 8, 2020 21:00:41 GMT -5
Plus Parachutes, Rush, X&Y and Viva all combined to sell over 9 million in America alone. Oasis prob is at less than 7 million total over 7 albums. I think 7 mil. is about right. Oasis could've maintained success like Coldplay if they'd made smarter decisions. I figure in America......... DM: 1M MG: 4M BHN: 1M SOTSOG: 200K HC: 150K DBTT: 200K DOYS: 150K |
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Post by Zingbot on Mar 8, 2020 22:09:02 GMT -5
I think 7 mil. is about right. Oasis could've maintained success like Coldplay if they'd made smarter decisions. I figure in America......... DM: 1M MG: 4M BHN: 1M SOTSOG: 200K HC: 150K DBTT: 200K DOYS: 150K Sounds about right. Imagine going from 1mil. to 200k, ouch. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 8, 2020 22:17:43 GMT -5
I figure in America......... DM: 1M MG: 4M BHN: 1M SOTSOG: 200K HC: 150K DBTT: 200K DOYS: 150K Sounds about right. Imagine going from 1mil. to 200k, ouch. I mean it was 2 years later, no real single that made the rounds on MTV, VH1 or rock radio. Plus the landscape had changed. It was all pop princesses, boybands and rap metal. Oasis wasn't cool anymore. |
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Mar 9, 2020 6:45:17 GMT -5
Often wondered myself where the reported 70m comes from.
From what i can find id say
Albums;
DM - 8M
MG - 18M
BHN - 8M
TM - 2M
SOTSOG - 2M
FTM - 1M
HC - 3M
DBTT - 3M
STC - 3M
DOYS - 1.5M
TF - 2M
TOTAL; 51.5M
Singles;
Wonderwall must be on at least 3M worldwide looking at certifications.
Likewise, Id say Don’t Look Back In Anger is on at least 2M.
Champagne Supernova is a US Gold single for 0.5M sales.
All their other British Single Certifications add up to about 4M.
Maybe add another 1M for all those singles’ sales elsewhere, and non-certified British singles (Who Feels Love, Sunday Morning Call, Falling Down etc.)
I’d say its just over 60M worldwide. What depends is if you count the digital certifications of album tracks which weren’t singles. Morning Glory, Slide Away, The Masterplan, Rock N Roll Star and Acquiesce are Silver, She’s Electric is Gold, Half the World Away and Champagne Supernova are platinum. If they count, it could add an extra 1M or so.
All in all, between 60 and 65M id say. But some might say......Im talking nonsense 😂
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