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Post by scott1 on Mar 11, 2014 11:58:07 GMT -5
Damn, you're spot on. Any vocalists here? Is it possible to repair a broken voice? Is there anyway Liam can sing in tune, without being nasal like in his early years? I have a theory that Liam is unable to breath at all through his nose. How I explain this is a little odd, but bear with me. Listen to My Sweet Lord with Bonehead. The "mmm my lord" bit of the verses comes across with the "mmm" sounding muted. Try this yourself, hold your nose so you cannot breath through it at all. Then sing that bit - the "mmm" bit will be muted, exactly like it sounds from Liam. It would also explain the higher parts of Live Forever that night, where he genuinely does sound like he's holding his nose - he can't breath through it. I'm not sure whether that weird nasal spray nose unblocker would help or just send him off completely, I imagine he would sound like he did at (I think) Fuji Rock in 2012(?) - Four Letter Word springs to mind from that show. It sounded as if his airways had been blasted clean, or maybe he was just well rested. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Mar 11, 2014 12:31:36 GMT -5
Damn, you're spot on. Any vocalists here? Is it possible to repair a broken voice? Is there anyway Liam can sing in tune, without being nasal like in his early years? I have a theory that Liam is unable to breath at all through his nose. How I explain this is a little odd, but bear with me. Listen to My Sweet Lord with Bonehead. The "mmm my lord" bit of the verses comes across with the "mmm" sounding muted. Try this yourself, hold your nose so you cannot breath through it at all. Then sing that bit - the "mmm" bit will be muted, exactly like it sounds from Liam. It would also explain the higher parts of Live Forever that night, where he genuinely does sound like he's holding his nose - he can't breath through it. I'm not sure whether that weird nasal spray nose unblocker would help or just send him off completely, I imagine he would sound like he did at (I think) Fuji Rock in 2012(?) - Four Letter Word springs to mind from that show. It sounded as if his airways had been blasted clean, or maybe he was just well rested. I know cocaine eats away the inside lining of the nose and can cause congestion after long term use. Maybe that is why. But there are surgeries that can fix these things, relatively cheap, especially for a millionaire. You're probably right, it's all about his nose. Although, I think he did legitimately strain his vocal chords from the stress of his stance. |
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Post by scott1 on Mar 11, 2014 13:16:40 GMT -5
I know cocaine eats away the inside lining of the nose and can cause congestion after long term use. Maybe that is why. But there are surgeries that can fix these things, relatively cheap, especially for a millionaire. You're probably right, it's all about his nose. Although, I think he did legitimately strain his vocal chords from the stress of his stance. Perhaps an unblocked nose affects his voice, therefore it'll never publicly be sung that way so we'll never know. However I don't think stance played too big a part in this, as much as people like to believe it. If you look at an actual image of vocal chords and their location, they shouldn't be affected in any way by the upwards bending of the neck. I think up to 95/96 his voice was fine, the rasp only came in unintentionally at the upper stretches of his range. However the more this happened the more frequently the raspiness appeared. By 97 his voice had a rasp at almost every point in his range, and the rasp is just killer for your voice. From then on it was rough/raspy 100% of the time until this wore him down completely. Think of 2004 Glasto' Live Forever - the "know" "grows" "pain" "rain" "bone" at the end of each line was so intentionally roughened, the rasp had become habit and was no longer unintentional. Then by about 2008, the damage was irreversibly done and from then onwards the rasp only cropped up at certain points in his range and was completely forced. Instead of being naturally "throaty" like 94/95 it's become thicker, more nasal and less flexible sounding, moving around his range is now a real effort. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 11, 2014 13:27:58 GMT -5
I know cocaine eats away the inside lining of the nose and can cause congestion after long term use. Maybe that is why. But there are surgeries that can fix these things, relatively cheap, especially for a millionaire. You're probably right, it's all about his nose. Although, I think he did legitimately strain his vocal chords from the stress of his stance. Perhaps an unblocked nose affects his voice, therefore it'll never publicly be sung that way so we'll never know. However I don't think stance played too big a part in this, as much as people like to believe it. If you look at an actual image of vocal chords and their location, they shouldn't be affected in any way by the upwards bending of the neck. I think up to 95/96 his voice was fine, the rasp only came in unintentionally at the upper stretches of his range. However the more this happened the more frequently the raspiness appeared. By 97 his voice had a rasp at almost every point in his range, and the rasp is just killer for your voice. From then on it was rough/raspy 100% of the time until this wore him down completely. Think of 2004 Glasto' Live Forever - the "know" "grows" "pain" "rain" "bone" at the end of each line was so intentionally roughened, the rasp had become habit and was no longer unintentional. Then by about 2008, the damage was irreversibly done and from then onwards the rasp only cropped up at certain points in his range and was completely forced. Instead of being naturally "throaty" like 94/95 it's become thicker, more nasal and less flexible sounding, moving around his range is now a real effort. I always HATED on the DOYS tour how Liam would cut off the ends of lyrics. So bush league. I can't remember if he did that on the DBTT tour but that obviously had some spotty outings in general. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Mar 11, 2014 13:31:59 GMT -5
I know cocaine eats away the inside lining of the nose and can cause congestion after long term use. Maybe that is why. But there are surgeries that can fix these things, relatively cheap, especially for a millionaire. You're probably right, it's all about his nose. Although, I think he did legitimately strain his vocal chords from the stress of his stance. Perhaps an unblocked nose affects his voice, therefore it'll never publicly be sung that way so we'll never know. However I don't think stance played too big a part in this, as much as people like to believe it. If you look at an actual image of vocal chords and their location, they shouldn't be affected in any way by the upwards bending of the neck. I think up to 95/96 his voice was fine, the rasp only came in unintentionally at the upper stretches of his range. However the more this happened the more frequently the raspiness appeared. By 97 his voice had a rasp at almost every point in his range, and the rasp is just killer for your voice. From then on it was rough/raspy 100% of the time until this wore him down completely. Think of 2004 Glasto' Live Forever - the "know" "grows" "pain" "rain" "bone" at the end of each line was so intentionally roughened, the rasp had become habit and was no longer unintentional. Then by about 2008, the damage was irreversibly done and from then onwards the rasp only cropped up at certain points in his range and was completely forced. Instead of being naturally "throaty" like 94/95 it's become thicker, more nasal and less flexible sounding, moving around his range is now a real effort. I think 2004 was his worst year. It was the most nasally and kermit sounding in my opinion. If he stopped drugs, stopped smoking, stopped drinking, I wonder how much better it could get? |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Mar 11, 2014 13:34:54 GMT -5
Perhaps an unblocked nose affects his voice, therefore it'll never publicly be sung that way so we'll never know. However I don't think stance played too big a part in this, as much as people like to believe it. If you look at an actual image of vocal chords and their location, they shouldn't be affected in any way by the upwards bending of the neck. I think up to 95/96 his voice was fine, the rasp only came in unintentionally at the upper stretches of his range. However the more this happened the more frequently the raspiness appeared. By 97 his voice had a rasp at almost every point in his range, and the rasp is just killer for your voice. From then on it was rough/raspy 100% of the time until this wore him down completely. Think of 2004 Glasto' Live Forever - the "know" "grows" "pain" "rain" "bone" at the end of each line was so intentionally roughened, the rasp had become habit and was no longer unintentional. Then by about 2008, the damage was irreversibly done and from then onwards the rasp only cropped up at certain points in his range and was completely forced. Instead of being naturally "throaty" like 94/95 it's become thicker, more nasal and less flexible sounding, moving around his range is now a real effort. I always HATED on the DOYS tour how Liam would cut off the ends of lyrics. So bush league. I can't remember if he did that on the DBTT tour but that obviously had some spotty outings in general. It is annoying. But, sometimes when he is trying to sing, you can see the pain on his face. Makes me feel bad for him. I think sometimes it actually hurts his throat to try and hold certain notes. This is most apparent with his performance of Stop Crying Your Heart Out in 2004. That entire song is above his range. |
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Post by Jgrp on Mar 11, 2014 13:51:18 GMT -5
Lol this is depth analysis is both funny and interesting
His voice in 97 was my favourite. I think a combination of all points above has a part to play.
Check out slide away at the I tunes festival. Bloody hell he strains his throat and voice with so much aggression.
If I did that I wouldn't be able to talk for a week, never mind sing shortly after.
His relentless aggressive singing for over 20 years, what makes him so great is also what's made him so 'bad'.
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Post by bardes on Mar 11, 2014 14:38:38 GMT -5
Just think how far his voice has come (fallen off) since 1994. It is staggering. I wish it wasn't the case. How many other bands' fans have to debate their singers voice on every given night. Very rare. Damn, you're spot on. Any vocalists here? Is it possible to repair a broken voice? Is there anyway Liam can sing in tune, without being nasal like in his early years? 1. Long break, few months. 2. Stop drinking and smoking 3. Medicines, pills etc 4. Vocal teacher It's a big mistery for me. How it is possible that he sounds amazing in Lord Dont Slow Me Down (like in 2000!) and then - in the same year - sounds like a frog? |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 11, 2014 15:03:16 GMT -5
Damn, you're spot on. Any vocalists here? Is it possible to repair a broken voice? Is there anyway Liam can sing in tune, without being nasal like in his early years? 1. Long break, few months. 2. Stop drinking and smoking 3. Medicines, pills etc 4. Vocal teacher It's a big mistery for me. How it is possible that he sounds amazing in Lord Dont Slow Me Down (like in 2000!) and then - in the same year - sounds like a frog? I've been saying it for years. Oasis needed shorter tours and more days off between gigs. Liam always starts off on fire then fades quickly. I wish it wasn't so but that has been the vicious cycle since around 2004. |
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Post by scott1 on Mar 11, 2014 15:09:02 GMT -5
I always HATED on the DOYS tour how Liam would cut off the ends of lyrics. So bush league. I can't remember if he did that on the DBTT tour but that obviously had some spotty outings in general. The problem with the DOYS tour was he was still singing in the style of the last few years, a forced sort of raspy. By this point though it just wasn't working anymore from the last 8ish years of doing it - hence the cutting off that you mentioned. He hadn't yet calmed things down like he clearly did on the next tour, DGSS, which sounded better because he wasn't forcing the rasp into his voice - it happened when it happened. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 11, 2014 15:11:28 GMT -5
I always HATED on the DOYS tour how Liam would cut off the ends of lyrics. So bush league. I can't remember if he did that on the DBTT tour but that obviously had some spotty outings in general. The problem with the DOYS tour was he was still singing in the style of the last few years, a forced sort of raspy. By this point though it just wasn't working anymore from the last 8ish years of doing it - hence the cutting off that you mentioned. He hadn't yet calmed things down like he clearly did on the next tour, DGSS, which sounded better because he wasn't forcing the rasp into his voice - it happened when it happened. Liam sounded REALLY fucking good at the start of that DGSS tour. I was very impressed with the results in June of 2011. December of 2011 was another story all together. That Terminal 5 show might have been Beady Eye's Arnhem.  |
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Post by scott1 on Mar 11, 2014 15:12:54 GMT -5
If he stopped drugs, stopped smoking, stopped drinking, I wonder how much better it could get? At this point I think it can only really get as good as it was at Jools Holland last May, only if he was completely clean could that standard be sustained. Its difficult because a hypothetical rested and clean Liam voice cannot really he compared to anything previously. Every phase of voice he goes through is different and can't really be compared to anything previous - he never regained any stage of his voice after passing it, it just changed if you know what I mean. |
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Post by scott1 on Mar 11, 2014 15:17:27 GMT -5
Liam sounded REALLY fucking good at the start of that DGSS tour. I was very impressed with the results in June of 2011. December of 2011 was another story all together. That Terminal 5 show might have been Beady Eye's Arnhem. There's a dilemma he faces at the start of every tour. New tour, rested - he sounds good. Does he restrain himself a bit and preserve a half decent performance over a longer period? Or should he use it to the best of its current ability but acknowledge it's going to worsen faster? I would say the latter option - he uses it to the best of its ability, he needs to. Even though the standard then drops faster. |
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Post by Jgrp on Mar 11, 2014 16:44:04 GMT -5
I've said it quite a few times on here but Oui FM was shit hot. If he hasn't got to bellow the vocals over loud guitars etc he sounds decent. Although it rapidly goes after a few gigs. It just ain't and will never be what it was. Detiorated.
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Post by scott1 on Mar 11, 2014 17:06:18 GMT -5
I've said it quite a few times on here but Oui FM was shit hot. If he hasn't got to bellow the vocals over loud guitars etc he sounds decent. Although it rapidly goes after a few gigs. It just ain't and will never be what it was. Detiorated. Out FM was outstanding, but it was after a huge break and was just a small acoustic set. Compare Oui FM's Second Bite Of The Apple to the one on Virgin Italian radio I think - only a few months apart, both acoustic but the difference is extraordinary, the Virgin one is horrid. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 11, 2014 17:55:04 GMT -5
I know cocaine eats away the inside lining of the nose and can cause congestion after long term use. Maybe that is why. But there are surgeries that can fix these things, relatively cheap, especially for a millionaire. You're probably right, it's all about his nose. Although, I think he did legitimately strain his vocal chords from the stress of his stance. Perhaps an unblocked nose affects his voice, therefore it'll never publicly be sung that way so we'll never know. However I don't think stance played too big a part in this, as much as people like to believe it. If you look at an actual image of vocal chords and their location, they shouldn't be affected in any way by the upwards bending of the neck. I think up to 95/96 his voice was fine, the rasp only came in unintentionally at the upper stretches of his range. However the more this happened the more frequently the raspiness appeared. By 97 his voice had a rasp at almost every point in his range, and the rasp is just killer for your voice. From then on it was rough/raspy 100% of the time until this wore him down completely. Think of 2004 Glasto' Live Forever - the "know" "grows" "pain" "rain" "bone" at the end of each line was so intentionally roughened, the rasp had become habit and was no longer unintentional. Then by about 2008, the damage was irreversibly done and from then onwards the rasp only cropped up at certain points in his range and was completely forced. Instead of being naturally "throaty" like 94/95 it's become thicker, more nasal and less flexible sounding, moving around his range is now a real effort. Hahaha genuinely made me laugh out loud. All he's got to do is blow his nose, job done! I think there is quite a lot of risk that comes with vocal surgery and is not quite as simple as popping along to the hospital for a couple of hours. |
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Post by scott1 on Mar 12, 2014 2:45:09 GMT -5
Hahaha genuinely made me laugh out loud. All he's got to do is blow his nose, job done! I think there is quite a lot of risk that comes with vocal surgery and is not quite as simple as popping along to the hospital for a couple of hours. If only it were that simple! Well exactly, it's more than just a case of an in-and-out operation. In some cases singers are left with a voice no longer usable in the way they intend to use it. For Liam, there's a very real chance that it would leave him with without the voice we know him for. I know that we all moan about how different is voice is nowadays, but it's essentially the same voice - it's not a risk worth taking for him. We just have to accept his voice for what it is. |
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Post by shinealight on Mar 12, 2014 2:58:10 GMT -5
Damn, you're spot on. Any vocalists here? Is it possible to repair a broken voice? Is there anyway Liam can sing in tune, without being nasal like in his early years? 1. Long break, few months. 2. Stop drinking and smoking 3. Medicines, pills etc 4. Vocal teacher It's a big mistery for me. How it is possible that he sounds amazing in Lord Dont Slow Me Down (like in 2000!) and then - in the same year - sounds like a frog? Points 2,3 & 4 are the opposite of rock n roll FFS. Liams not a part of some gospel choir  IMO he sounds great recently, was pleasantly surprised with his performance last tour. IMO it has to do smthg with the way Oasis used to sound, wall of sound of fucking loud...it looks like had to put more effort during Oasis days then with BE. But overall...considering his life style...brilliant  |
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Post by LlAM on Mar 12, 2014 10:54:52 GMT -5
1. Long break, few months. 2. Stop drinking and smoking 3. Medicines, pills etc 4. Vocal teacher It's a big mistery for me. How it is possible that he sounds amazing in Lord Dont Slow Me Down (like in 2000!) and then - in the same year - sounds like a frog? Points 2,3 & 4 are the opposite of rock n roll FFS. Liams not a part of some gospel choir IMO he sounds great recently, was pleasantly surprised with his performance last tour. IMO it has to do smthg with the way Oasis used to sound, wall of sound of fucking loud...it looks like had to put more effort during Oasis days then with BE. But overall...considering his life style...brilliant They use monitors at their gigs, so no matter how loud they play, he can still hear his voice without having to shout. |
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Post by underneaththesky on Mar 12, 2014 11:13:50 GMT -5
another thread turning to a debate on Liam's voice.
and people giving him advice.. !!
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Post by scott1 on Mar 12, 2014 11:17:12 GMT -5
another thread turning to a debate on Liam's voice. and people giving him advice.. !! I wouldn't say it's the usual debate preaching how he should become a monk and give up everything to regain his voice, we just went in to very large detail as to why Liam sounds like he does. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 12, 2014 11:29:07 GMT -5
This scene from Blade Runner perfectly describes Liam's vocals. |
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Post by LlAM on Mar 12, 2014 11:32:07 GMT -5
another thread turning to a debate on Liam's voice. and people giving him advice.. !! Well his voice is pretty much his main talent so it's bound to be discussed in most threads. Especially when live performances are a part of the topic. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 12, 2014 11:34:08 GMT -5
another thread turning to a debate on Liam's voice. and people giving him advice.. !! Well his voice is pretty much his main talent so it's bound to be discussed in most threads. Especially when live performances are a part of the topic. Liam is obviously top 5 tambourine player in the world. Nobody jingles and jangles it louder. |
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Post by LlAM on Mar 12, 2014 11:36:42 GMT -5
Well his voice is pretty much his main talent so it's bound to be discussed in most threads. Especially when live performances are a part of the topic. Liam is obviously top 5 tambourine player in the world. Nobody jingles and jangles it louder. He's shaking it wrong. |
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