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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 14:14:13 GMT -5
These twats spent 250m on a strike force that couldn't even muster a shot on target, and at Old Trafford. All that money spent, less football than last year, yet playing long ball football and the same number of points Moyes had at this stage last season. Very awkward. Van Gaal - football genius? Not at the moment. Highlights the injustice of Moyes treatment - he at least had a much poorer squad. I will never understand these 2 coaching moves ...big SAM given no time at tyneside...... and moyes ..none at old tratt .........both were welcomed with such fanfare ....both just dismissed in a blink ......... Now Claudio ranieri got to stay at chelsea bit ...but those two just dismissed , and both are better off
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Post by Manualex on Jan 11, 2015 14:17:44 GMT -5
These twats spent 250m on a strike force that couldn't even muster a shot on target, and at Old Trafford. All that money spent, less football than last year, yet playing long ball football and the same number of points Moyes had at this stage last season. Very awkward. Van Gaal - football genius? Not at the moment. Highlights the injustice of Moyes treatment - he at least had a much poorer squad. Fantastic squad undoubtedly, he can't hide behind an excuse which, fair to him, Moyes had. Fantastic squad but their defence sucks(everything else is class). I dont know but Man U should have more patience(like they dindt had with Moyes). Does it sucks? Yes, but moaning right now wont do any favours now.
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Post by matt on Jan 11, 2015 14:46:18 GMT -5
All that money spent, less football than last year, yet playing long ball football and the same number of points Moyes had at this stage last season. Very awkward. Van Gaal - football genius? Not at the moment. Highlights the injustice of Moyes treatment - he at least had a much poorer squad. Fantastic squad undoubtedly, he can't hide behind an excuse which, fair to him, Moyes had. Fantastic squad but their defence sucks(everything else is class). I dont know but Man U should have more patience(like they dindt had with Moyes). Does it sucks? Yes, but moaning right now wont do any favours now. I couldn't care for Man Utd, but I respected Van Gaal - thought he was a really good manager who played attractive football. At the minute he's a glorified Neil Warnock.
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Post by supersonic1983 on Jan 12, 2015 5:49:18 GMT -5
And yet, as poor as they were United (specifically, Mata) had the chances to win yesterday's game.
I'm not worried. They can, and will improve.
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Post by MG on Jan 12, 2015 10:28:27 GMT -5
These twats spent 250m on a strike force that couldn't even muster a shot on target, and at Old Trafford. All that money spent, less football than last year, yet playing long ball football and the same number of points Moyes had at this stage last season. Very awkward. Van Gaal - football genius? Not at the moment. Highlights the injustice of Moyes treatment - he at least had a much poorer squad. Fantastic squad undoubtedly, he can't hide behind an excuse which, fair to him, Moyes had. I though gone were the days were are hoofing it to Fellaini Probably the first instance this season, Koeman seems to have van Gaal's number. Even in the away match Southampton limited us to 2 shots on target. Whoops... Fucking up, with a piss poor season, and that's without the distraction of Europe! Christ. Title challenge my arse. Never expected a title challenge this year. Easily one of Uniteds worse games under van Gaal, not an acceptable home performance. Two poor games in a row but not at crisis point like last year. Shaw has a long way to come, too bad he was injured most the season. DiMaria just back from injury and not match fit, should of still been rested IMO. Falcao as much as I love him doesn't seem to be the answer but still strange why he wasn't involved yesterday. Can't take the victory away from Southampton tho, only City and Chelsea have won more games so far this season. All that money spent, less football than last year, yet playing long ball football and the same number of points Moyes had at this stage last season. Very awkward. Van Gaal - football genius? Not at the moment. Highlights the injustice of Moyes treatment - he at least had a much poorer squad. I will never understand these 2 coaching moves ...big SAM given no time at tyneside...... and moyes ..none at old tratt ......... both were welcomed with such fanfare ....both just dismissed in a blink ......... Now Claudio ranieri got to stay at chelsea bit ...but those two just dismissed , and both are better off I can't remember any fanfare over Moyes, a lot of United supporters were against the move in the first place. You cannot be an average manager at Manchester United and expect to get away with it. Fair fucks to him tho, he's doing alright in Spain. LVG is struggling a bit but still the right man for the job. He's signed a two year contract which is the right deal for him and the club. Can attract stars and can leave the team pointing in the right direction. If Moyes was still there would would of signed one of Evrton's full backs and a no name midfielder.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2015 10:33:27 GMT -5
All that money spent, less football than last year, yet playing long ball football and the same number of points Moyes had at this stage last season. Very awkward. Van Gaal - football genius? Not at the moment. Highlights the injustice of Moyes treatment - he at least had a much poorer squad. Fantastic squad undoubtedly, he can't hide behind an excuse which, fair to him, Moyes had. I though gone were the days were are hoofing it to Fellaini Probably the first instance this season, Koeman seems to have van Gaal's number. Even in the away match Southampton limited us to 2 shots on target. Whoops... Fucking up, with a piss poor season, and that's without the distraction of Europe! Christ. Title challenge my arse. Never expected a title challenge this year. Easily one of Uniteds worse games under van Gaal, not an acceptable home performance. Two poor games in a row but not at crisis point like last year. Shaw has a long way to come, too bad he was injured most the season. DiMaria just back from injury and not match fit, should of still been rested IMO. Falcao as much as I love him doesn't seem to be the answer but still strange why he wasn't involved yesterday. Can't take the victory away from Southampton tho, only City and Chelsea have won more games so far this season. I will never understand these 2 coaching moves ...big SAM given no time at tyneside...... and moyes ..none at old tratt ......... both were welcomed with such fanfare ....both just dismissed in a blink ......... Now Claudio ranieri got to stay at chelsea bit ...but those two just dismissed , and both are better off I can't remember any fanfare over Moyes, a lot of United supporters were against the move in the first place. You cannot be an average manager at Manchester United and expect to get away with it. Fair fucks to him tho, he's doing alright in Spain. LVG is struggling a bit but still the right man for the job. He's signed a two year contract which is the right deal for him and the club. Can attract stars and can leave the team pointing in the right direction. If Moyes was still there would would of signed one of Evrton's full backs and a no name midfielder. No your right ...what I meant was as you will attest im sure ..at Everton moyes was considered the " next big thing " ....he never had the money ( like big SAM ). Then when they both got a chance. United and newcastle They both were not given time , YA know ?
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Post by matt on Jan 12, 2015 10:36:04 GMT -5
All that money spent, less football than last year, yet playing long ball football and the same number of points Moyes had at this stage last season. Very awkward. Van Gaal - football genius? Not at the moment. Highlights the injustice of Moyes treatment - he at least had a much poorer squad. Fantastic squad undoubtedly, he can't hide behind an excuse which, fair to him, Moyes had. I though gone were the days were are hoofing it to Fellaini Probably the first instance this season, Koeman seems to have van Gaal's number. Even in the away match Southampton limited us to 2 shots on target. Whoops... Fucking up, with a piss poor season, and that's without the distraction of Europe! Christ. Title challenge my arse. Never expected a title challenge this year. Easily one of Uniteds worse games under van Gaal, not an acceptable home performance. Two poor games in a row but not at crisis point like last year. Shaw has a long way to come, too bad he was injured most the season. DiMaria just back from injury and not match fit, should of still been rested IMO. Falcao as much as I love him doesn't seem to be the answer but still strange why he wasn't involved yesterday. Can't take the victory away from Southampton tho, only City and Chelsea have won more games so far this season. I will never understand these 2 coaching moves ...big SAM given no time at tyneside...... and moyes ..none at old tratt ......... both were welcomed with such fanfare ....both just dismissed in a blink ......... Now Claudio ranieri got to stay at chelsea bit ...but those two just dismissed , and both are better off I can't remember any fanfare over Moyes, a lot of United supporters were against the move in the first place. You cannot be an average manager at Manchester United and expect to get away with it. Fair fucks to him tho, he's doing alright in Spain. LVG is struggling a bit but still the right man for the job. He's signed a two year contract which is the right deal for him and the club. Can attract stars and can leave the team pointing in the right direction. If Moyes was still there would would of signed one of Evrton's full backs and a no name midfielder. I think Moyes is a very good manager and well respected, but the huge jump from Everton to succeeding Alex Ferguson is as big a challenge any manager is going to get. I'd have liked to have seen how he got on with the current batch of players. I think to be able to manage a club like United, you need to go from Everton, then progress to a club like Tottenham that isn't as demanding as United, but with a bigger transfer budget than the limtited resources of Everton. It's a good stepping stone I think. Btw, No disrespect to Everton though - for all their limited resources they are a great club.
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Post by MG on Jan 12, 2015 10:40:25 GMT -5
I think Moyes is a very good manager and well respected, but the huge jump from Everton to succeeding Alex Ferguson is as big a challenge any manager is going to get. I'd have liked to have seen how he got on with the current batch of players. I think to be able to manage a club like United, you need to go from Everton, then progress to a club like Tottenham that isn't as demanding as United, but with a bigger transfer budget than the limtited resources of Everton. It's a good stepping stone I think. Btw, No disrespect to Everton though - for all their limited resources they are a great club. Exactly, said before he is well out of his dept. Alex Ferguson had a lot to do with his appointment and nobody on the board had the courage to challenge it
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Post by MG on Jan 12, 2015 10:44:15 GMT -5
No your right ...what I meant was as you will attest im sure ..at Everton moyes was considered the " next big thing " ....he never had the money ( like big SAM ). Then when they both got a chance. United and newcastle They both were not given time , YA know ? The hype at Everton was because he was a decent manager who turned them into a below average club to an consistent average club. Decent job but nowhere ready for the task at United. Newcastle think they are a big club which is their downfall
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Post by matt on Jan 12, 2015 10:51:18 GMT -5
I think Moyes is a very good manager and well respected, but the huge jump from Everton to succeeding Alex Ferguson is as big a challenge any manager is going to get. I'd have liked to have seen how he got on with the current batch of players. I think to be able to manage a club like United, you need to go from Everton, then progress to a club like Tottenham that isn't as demanding as United, but with a bigger transfer budget than the limtited resources of Everton. It's a good stepping stone I think. Btw, No disrespect to Everton though - for all their limited resources they are a great club. Exactly, said before he is well out of his dept. Alex Ferguson had a lot to do with his appointment and nobody on the board had the courage to challenge it Problem with Ferguson was that holding that much respect and responsibility, his opinion is always going to be the most important. But I think they should have looked into his other 'recommendations' for big jobs in football. He recommended Alex McCleish to Aston Villa, and we all know what a disaster that turned out to be. I think he seems to have a subconscious bias to Scottish - in particular Glaswegian - managers. No big deal with me because as a Scot I think its great seeing Scottish managers in the Premier League, and recently I just realised I'm more willing to give them chances - hence I thought it would be great to see Moyes in the job, because (A) I thought he deserved it and (B) I thought it suited United well having a Scottish manager, considering Matt Busby and Fergie are arguably the two greatest figures in the club's history. But if I supported Man Utd like yourself, I think I would have been a bit more honest with myself and tried to get the proven man with the CV. In that respect, my support of Moyes was certainly irrational if you take it from a United supporters point of view, and maybe Fergie suffered from the same bias and belief that I had.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 12, 2015 10:51:33 GMT -5
Man Utd flirting with third, and have been poor all season -- shows how bad the Premiership is this year. Arsenal may be about to finally click and get in gear; best performance of the season vs. Stoke. But with Citeh this weekend, I'm sure we'll go to pot in the most Arsenal way possible. Fuck this season. And fuck Chelsea.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jan 23, 2015 17:11:18 GMT -5
Cambridge 0 - 0 Man Utd....Louis van LOL
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 14, 2015 18:00:12 GMT -5
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 21, 2015 15:16:33 GMT -5
Utd can't even cement a top 4 finish without the distraction of the Champions League this season. Oh dear....
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Post by supersonic1983 on Feb 22, 2015 8:42:49 GMT -5
Utd can't even cement a top 4 finish without the distraction of the Champions League this season. Oh dear.... Perhaps United should look to Arsenal for tips on qualifying for a competition that they stand no chance of winning.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 9, 2015 16:52:49 GMT -5
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Post by matt on Mar 9, 2015 18:53:32 GMT -5
Great game to watch, but Arsenal deserved it by just shading it.
Michael Oliver - what a referee performance, wasn't fooled by a quite frankly dirty cheating performance from United. Very disappointing for them, they're much much better than that. For £200 million, they should be challenging for much more his season. I honestly like Van Gaal - sure he's full of shit at times, but some of the teams he's managed have been the most attractive football to watch ever but I don't know what he's doing at United as his attacking philosophy seems to have gone missing.
I suppose for his philosophy to take hold he needs fast and quality players like he had at Ajax, Barca and Bayern. United's quality players are all lacking pace however, and their fast players aren't quality enough. Di Maria is the only one with quality and pace. Makes Welbecks sale look even more stupid - he scored the winner and his replacement - Falcao - didn't even make it off the bench. A real indictment against that sale.
Prediction for final - Arsenal v Liverpool. If so, I don't know how to call that, it's impossible and would be a very very tough game. It would be a great achievement if Wenger retained it just like he did in 2003.
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Post by supersonic1983 on Mar 10, 2015 2:31:17 GMT -5
Makes Welbecks sale look even more stupid. Welbeck left at his own request. I rate him, and considered him a useful part of the team, but he is not what United are missing.
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Post by MG on Mar 10, 2015 11:02:03 GMT -5
Makes Welbecks sale look even more stupid. Welbeck left at his own request. I rate him, and considered him a useful part of the team, but he is not what United are missing. I didn't rate him but he gave us another option and that's exactly what we're missing up front. To predictable and it is making the performances suffer.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 10, 2015 19:57:10 GMT -5
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Post by matt on Mar 10, 2015 22:09:12 GMT -5
Makes Welbecks sale look even more stupid. Welbeck left at his own request. I rate him, and considered him a useful part of the team, but he is not what United are missing. Yeah but Van Gaal did say he was pretty much surplus to requirement considering Falcao's arrival didn't he? A shame - Welbeck was and is died in the wool Man Utd like Gary Neville and he would have contributed better than most of the signings currently. Some fans just never realised that he was constantly played out of position at United. He understands the club and would have put his life on the line for them, but he had to take the professional approach and it was a wise decision to team up with Wenger. I'm delighted he's at Arsenal, he's a hard worker and will always put in a shift whether it is Utd, Arsenal or England. But as for Van Gaal. He's coasting at the minute isn't he? What do the Utd fans think of him - for a manager with that CV, surely you'd expect much more attacking football?
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Post by supersonic1983 on Mar 11, 2015 3:16:06 GMT -5
Yeah but Van Gaal did say he was pretty much surplus to requirement considering Falcao's arrival didn't he? Welbeck had already made his decision. Granted, he was played out of position, but he was never clinical enough to merit a place up front ahead of either Rooney or Van Persie. Daniel Taylor wrote this about Welbeck in a webchat on Monday: In hindsight trading him for Falcao looks like a poor choice, but I doubt many people would have made that assessment back in August. I like Van Gaal, but his biggest problem this season has been an aversion to risk which has got United playing toothless possession football while exceptionally talented players are played out of position or left out altogether. He is overcompensating for deficiencies at the back. I can live with this strategy in the short-term, if it delivers Champions League football, but with ten games left I think United are outsiders for a top four place, and to my mind that aversion to risk has recently cost United a place in the FA Cup semi-finals (see the half-time substitutions on Monday).
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Post by matt on Mar 11, 2015 11:06:07 GMT -5
Yeah but Van Gaal did say he was pretty much surplus to requirement considering Falcao's arrival didn't he? Welbeck had already made his decision. Granted, he was played out of position, but he was never clinical enough to merit a place up front ahead of either Rooney or Van Persie. Daniel Taylor wrote this about Welbeck in a webchat on Monday: In hindsight trading him for Falcao looks like a poor choice, but I doubt many people would have made that assessment back in August. I like Van Gaal, but his biggest problem this season has been an aversion to risk which has got United playing toothless possession football while exceptionally talented players are played out of position or left out altogether. He is overcompensating for deficiencies at the back. I can live with this strategy in the short-term, if it delivers Champions League football, but with ten games left I think United are outsiders for a top four place, and to my mind that aversion to risk has recently cost United a place in the FA Cup semi-finals (see the half-time substitutions on Monday). Yeah totally agree in hindsight it's easy to say all that about Welbeck. I would have much preferred Falcao in August over Welbeck too.
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Mar 22, 2015 13:13:05 GMT -5
Everyone get back in your holes, we're on the way back up! YANITED!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2015 13:41:13 GMT -5
Everyone get back in your holes, we're on the way back up! YANITED! been saying this since this thread started uniteds demise is like the yankees percieved demise second or third to other clubs is a great year , but if your united or the yankees finishing second or third is a tragedy because they always win i am not a united supporter but i respect there sustained excellence , much like the yankees there never was a demise , just a retool and it seems nearly complete , wouldnt bet against them hoisting leauge trophy next year they never really went away
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