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Post by thedon on Jul 20, 2013 20:40:22 GMT -5
According to that description, recorded in 1989. Just three years (at the most) before he was writing songs like All Around The World. Isn't that just fucking astonishing? How can an artist make such a jump in quality in such a short time? That tape sounds amateur as fuck and gives absolutely no indication of what lay ahead.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jul 21, 2013 1:42:58 GMT -5
He was just matured as a songwriter,he said everything changed after Live Forever
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Post by marqueemoon on Jul 21, 2013 2:52:38 GMT -5
Of course, these aren't the tunes that would take over the world, but some of them aren't bad and they have some nice guitar work on them! I could see one of them being on the C86 compilation if they written a few years earlier.
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Jul 21, 2013 5:16:05 GMT -5
I always liked What's It Got To Do With You and What's Been Happening. Sure, not exactly Oasis material, but good enough.
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Post by bardes on Jul 21, 2013 8:08:49 GMT -5
Hes voice is weird  "But if what..." verse sounds like Here Comes The Sun. |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Jul 21, 2013 10:55:47 GMT -5
Practice.
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Post by ricardogce on Jul 21, 2013 11:22:27 GMT -5
Some pretty damn good guitar work there. And maybe the songs aren't up to his later standard, but they're still interesting, and if polished up would have made for great b-sides (and maybe then we could have had Carry Us All and Let's All Make Believe on SOTSOG proper, NOEL  ) |
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Post by oneeye on Jul 21, 2013 11:44:02 GMT -5
Agree, some of the guitar is great.
You can see what people were on about when Noel played live (I think Jason Rhodes has mentioned it) - he had a tendency to play too fast sometimes - maybe that's why the 2nd night @ Maine Rd is soo great because they upped the pace??
But you can also understand why the Inspirals didn't want him as their singer lol
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Post by oneeye on Jul 21, 2013 11:47:16 GMT -5
Does anyone know when Noel wrote It's Better People ?
The guitar on that is the same fast-paced strumming as found on this.
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Post by thedon on Jul 21, 2013 11:47:58 GMT -5
It's just standard guitar work, nothing really great about it. Basic chords and arpeggios.
Is the 1989 date certified? I can't help but think it's at least a couple of years older than that.
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Post by oneeye on Jul 21, 2013 12:04:27 GMT -5
It's just standard guitar work, nothing really great about it. Basic chords and arpeggios. Is the 1989 date certified? I can't help but think it's at least a couple of years older than that. Talking about how Noel strums, not chord changes! It's a Noely G trait the way he does it, hunched over his guitar in that iconic way! I doubt this would be from BEFORE the Inspirals. I |
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Post by ricardogce on Jul 21, 2013 12:07:49 GMT -5
It's just standard guitar work, nothing really great about it. Basic chords and arpeggios. Is the 1989 date certified? I can't help but think it's at least a couple of years older than that. The execution of that "standard guitar work" is pretty above average. Even without the benefit of hindsight, it wouldn't be hard to see that whoever recorded those songs had the potential to become brilliant. |
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Post by thedon on Jul 21, 2013 12:13:10 GMT -5
It's just standard guitar work, nothing really great about it. Basic chords and arpeggios. Is the 1989 date certified? I can't help but think it's at least a couple of years older than that. The execution of that "standard guitar work" is pretty above average. Even without the benefit of hindsight, it wouldn't be hard to see that whoever recorded those songs had the potential to become brilliant. Nah don't agree. I don't think it sounds very promising. Which makes the transformation all the more incredible. |
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Post by oneeye on Jul 21, 2013 12:23:49 GMT -5
The execution of that "standard guitar work" is pretty above average. Even without the benefit of hindsight, it wouldn't be hard to see that whoever recorded those songs had the potential to become brilliant. Nah don't agree. I don't think it sounds very promising. Which makes the transformation all the more incredible. I'd imagine Noel also sent his demos out to record companies? He was relentless when it came to Oasis, so it's possible that Noel couldnt get anywhere IF he had sent any out? |
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Post by durk on Jul 21, 2013 17:00:22 GMT -5
listen to it...it's the 'bed' of oasis music just waiting for liam to come along & sing.
remarkable tape.
noel sounds like robyn hitchcock here.
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Post by onlyanorthernboy on Jul 21, 2013 17:39:57 GMT -5
Im not by any means calling this tape shit I enjoy it, but I once read a quote (cant remember from who) saying youve got to write the shit songs to get them out your system so you can write the good.
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Post by oneeye on Jul 22, 2013 5:06:10 GMT -5
Im not by any means calling this tape shit I enjoy it, but I once read a quote (cant remember from who) saying youve got to write the shit songs to get them out your system so you can write the good. I'm sure Noel may have said that? |
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Post by yearzero on Jul 22, 2013 14:29:21 GMT -5
More info about the demo tape on Quality Bootz, where you can download it. Jim also has it on his site. qualitybootz.blogspot.ca/search/label/Oasis
Noel Gallagher (Pre-Oasis) Demos 1989
TAPE 2 - "NOEL'S SONGS" (1989) The second tape, which contained five tracks, was believed to been recorded by Noel in 1989. Only one track, 'But What If...', was unheard, with the other four songs being on the 1988 tape, although it's unknown if the recordings are exactly the same. A couple of friends of the seller of the tape appeared on alt.music.oasis on the 26th July 2001 gauging possible demand for a private sale. They claimed It had gone up for auction at Christies at an earlier date but didn't sell, supposedly because Noel Gallagher was there in person attempting to buy some original John Lennon lyrics and potential buyers were perhaps put off by his presence. You can see the Christies brochure of the original auction, which features more information on the history of the tape here and you can read the original alt.music.oasis thread here. In June 2006, this tape was put up for sale on eBay but was later sold privately. Clips from all five songs were made available to this site as evidence of the tapes authenticity. The tape was purchased by a consortium of Oasis fans with the explicit agreement that the contents of the tape would be made publicly available and that the tape would later be returned to Noel in some way.
1. What's It Got To Do With You? (NEW!! - 2:00) The song was also included on Noel's 1988 demo tape although it's unknown if both tapes contain the same exact recording. Read an NME review of this track here and a review taken from Record Collector magazine here. Both reviews are of the version from the 1988 demo tape. Noel also apparently referred to this song as 'Ask Me How I Feel'.
2. Hey You (aka No Cause For Alarm!) (NEW!! - 3:29) The song was also included on Noel's 1988 demo tape (under the title of 'No Cause For Alarm') although it's unknown if both tapes contain the same exact recording. Read an NME review of this track here and a review taken from Record Collector magazine here. Both reviews are of the version from the 1988 demo tape. Noel referred to this song as 'Hey You'.
3. What's Been Happenin' (aka I Didn't Think So!) (NEW!! - 3:01) The song was also included on Noel's 1988 demo tape (under the title of 'I Didn't Think So') although it's unknown if both tapes contain the same exact recording.
4. But What If... (NEW!! - 4:50) Clip 1 first emerged online on the 1st August 2001 when three short clips (of the intro, verse and chorus) were made available from a couple of friends of the seller of the tape.
5. Gotta Have Fun (NEW!! - 5:02) |
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Post by onlyanorthernboy on Jul 23, 2013 9:35:01 GMT -5
Im not by any means calling this tape shit I enjoy it, but I once read a quote (cant remember from who) saying youve got to write the shit songs to get them out your system so you can write the good. I'm sure Noel may have said that? Yea i thought it was but wasn't too sure |
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Post by LlAM on Jul 24, 2013 10:04:32 GMT -5
According to that description, recorded in 1989. Just three years (at the most) before he was writing songs like All Around The World. Isn't that just fucking astonishing? How can an artist make such a jump in quality in such a short time? That tape sounds amateur as fuck and gives absolutely no indication of what lay ahead. They were probably written before he knew anyone who could advise him how to create good song structures, hooks and middle 8s (I.e. The Real People) |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jul 24, 2013 10:15:37 GMT -5
Nah,I think he wrote something good before he knew The Real People
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Post by Teotihuacan on Jul 24, 2013 10:47:21 GMT -5
^^ Reminds me of something George says in The Beatles Anthology documentary that everybody writes 'bad' practice songs when they start - John and Paul had already written 100s of crappy songs before The Beatles became famous, to 'get them out of their system' whereas George had to develop in public leading to some lame Harrison songs appearing on the first few Beatles albums.
The other parallel to Noel is The Stone Roses whose early output consists of undistingushed and nondescript turgid punk, both Squire/ Borwn and Noel developed and worked at their craft and it came good for them both around the same time in their mid to late 20s. The Roses were writing and demoing for at least 5-6 years before they released a memorable record, probably Sally Cinammon was the breakthrough.
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Post by green eyed boy on Jul 24, 2013 16:37:22 GMT -5
This thread makes me feel really, really good about the crap songs I'm writing  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2016 8:33:11 GMT -5
What do you guys think of this tape ? There are not much structures on there or anything but you can see the guy already had his "own world".
But still, it amazes me that 2-3 years after he wrote Whatever, All Around The World, Hello, She's Electric, Going Nowhere, Half The World Away, Headshrinker, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2016 11:27:03 GMT -5
What do you guys think of this tape ? There are not much structures on there or anything but you can see the guy already had his "own world". But still, it amazes me that 2-3 years after he wrote Whatever, All Around The World, Hello, She's Electric, Going Nowhere, Half The World Away, Headshrinker, etc. I like it. I think that The Real People had a bigger influence on Noel's songwriting (co-writing) than we all know. |
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