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Post by forestfan on Nov 30, 2005 19:45:44 GMT -5
i was only 4 or 5 around the time when oasis first exploded. Infact to be honest it a coincedence that i got to like them, i was back in england and( by chance) oasis where on totp singing scyho(no 2). I liked it, so i started buying there music when i got back to nz.
anyway for those of you who are able to truly comment, did oasis crack america totally, ive seen documenteries etc(but there is an element of bias in these type of things).
did oasis ever truly crack america?
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Post by Mogly on Nov 30, 2005 19:50:26 GMT -5
they've sold a lot of records there (the first 3 albums) but they didn't crack it after all. they just don't play the game and it's as Hawkinng's said a few days ago, they just don't need it cos elsewhere they are gigantic
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Post by globe on Nov 30, 2005 19:54:43 GMT -5
Morning Glory was doing well on the back of Wonderwall, which went top 10 I think.
They had a big American tour to go and support that success. This was right after Knebworth, they were on a crest of a wave.
And then, with the plane on the tarmac waiting to take of for the States, Liam decided he wasnt going coz he needed to buy a house. So Noel did the vocals for the first couple of shows. Liam eventually met up with them, but there was a big fight and Noel went home. Have you never seen the footage of him arriving back at Heathrow? This was the top story on the evening news here in the UK, thats how BIG Oasis were at the time, it was like Beatlemania.
Well anyway, if they had want on that tour and wowed the US audiences/record companys and radio stations then they would have made it huge over there now, but they kinda blew it.
But still Morning Glory still sold something like 5 million in the states (that might be wrong) but it still sold a hefty anount there.
So did they crack America? Probably not, but they still sold a shit load of records there in 95/96
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Post by Mogly on Nov 30, 2005 20:02:48 GMT -5
yeah had that tour beensuccessful and they would've cracked america but our kid was well.... a kid, at the time.... a multi-millionaire kid, so he made a wrong decision
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Post by giggergrl on Nov 30, 2005 21:14:02 GMT -5
NO - they did not crack america COS AMERICANS DON'T "Get " Liam..
doubtful if they ever will and honestly it does not matter..
~ If you wanna read all the antics and mishaps there are several books i.e. "Take Me There.." the true oasis story..
Noel has stated that America does not get liam and that the music industry is like a delicate flower that needs to be picked (and he can't be arsed..) He did say he was grateful and amazed that they are still in demand (i.e. Madison Square Garden NYC DBTT tour - SOLD OUT ! etc..)
I will say one thing - as you know - THEY ARE A FANS BAND.. and this N. Amercian tour went EXTREMELY WELL (minus a few gigs i.e. Liam's voice in L.A. etc.)
MAD FERRIT !
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Post by dhamon on Dec 1, 2005 0:02:45 GMT -5
Thats funny forestfan, SCYHO was the song that got me into Oasis too. Heard the song, liked it, looked up some more of their songs, and the rest is history.
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Post by wolffman on Dec 1, 2005 0:32:22 GMT -5
They definitly haven't cracked America. I have Supernova lyrics in my AIM profile, and almost every day someone asks me "wtf is that song in your profile?" I know thats a small example, but it gets the point across.
Add to that the fact that I've NEVER heard an Oasis song on American radio, not even Wonderwall.
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Post by lyla on Dec 1, 2005 7:41:22 GMT -5
Thats funny forestfan, SCYHO was the song that got me into Oasis too. Heard the song, liked it, looked up some more of their songs, and the rest is history. yeah same. it was when i saw the scyho on mtv, out of all places. which is rather ironic cos they are not an mtv band and videos arent their forte. its a great song combined with the way liam stares right out of the television right into you....yeah, i checked out a few songs after that i was hooked. |
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Post by NoelandMeMay29 on Dec 1, 2005 8:02:45 GMT -5
What the hell = cracking America then?
DM went Platinum
MG has gone 4x+ Platinum
BHN Went to #2 and Platinum
Other albums gaven't sold well but DBTT went #12.
Wonderwall was #8 on Charts.
Sold Out concerts especially MSG.
All over VH1 90's specials.
They have sold about the same as Coldplay.
If Cracking America is comparing them to The Beatles or Stones Or Led Zeppelin or Elton John then No, but to contemporary UK acts after the New Wave Invasion of the early 80's then yes.
Smiths didn't. Jam were even less. Stone Roses never made a dent etc.
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Post by Danny on Dec 1, 2005 9:46:28 GMT -5
thats right i think noelandmemay29 is right... the cracked america they jst have to release more singles here
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Post by Mogly on Dec 1, 2005 10:18:14 GMT -5
nah they haven't. cracking america is having a big loyal following and they don't have it... their following in america is loyal (see DBTT tour) but it's not big. cracking america is like U2 or radiohead have done, I even think coldplay did it. their new albums hit the no.1 spot on billboard, they're singles are played non-stop on the radio, you ask anyone on the street and they'll know about them...... those bands did crack america. oasis was very near making it but the aborted 96 tour, the bad press and the fact that BHN was not full of poppy radio friendly easy listening songs but rather straight in your face and full of great bollocks true rock'n'roll anthems all conspired against the lads. anyway I'm happy they didn't play the game and sell out to big corporate america and kept it real, making their music and not giving a flying duck about how big they are in america....
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Post by LuckyJim on Dec 1, 2005 12:18:46 GMT -5
Well, both sides of this are kinda right…
"Morning Glory" was MASSIVE here. It really did sell over 4 million, thanks to "Wonderwall" and "Champagne Supernova." And "Definitely Maybe" wasn't HUGE when it first came out, but it sold over 1/2-million at the time, and eventually went platinum (that's 1 million), certified in August of 2001. "Be Here Now" sold almost 2 million here, too.
Since then… well, not so much. What I think happened was that the US at the time fell in love with the songs ("Wonderwall" and "Champagne Supernova"), not the band. Despite what people tell you about "wild and crazy America," we like our pop/rock stars to play nice. We like MTV-approved wildness and feuds, not the real deal.
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Post by dhamon on Dec 1, 2005 14:35:22 GMT -5
I heard Wonderwall, Champagne Supernova, and Lyla on the radio at work in a span of 2 days. I couldn't believe it.
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Post by Jeff25 on Dec 1, 2005 17:10:23 GMT -5
I think Oasis had its day in America with DM and WTSMG, but when BHN didn't receive the critical acclaim the first 2 albums had, that gave Oasis haters in the US the opening they needed as the Gallagher attitude wasn't the "in" thing anymore.
Another problem with Oasis, through no fault of the band, is that in the US, Oasis is everything that the American Music Industry doesn't want. In the US, it's all about the next American Idols, one-hit wonders and rap stars. And if you're not from America, outside of a few exceptions, radio stations won't give you a fair shake.
I'm American and proud to say I've done my part with buying CD's and going to shows to prove I'm Mad Fer It!!!!!
(Then again, I don't mind Mariah Carey, as long as I can just look and not listen) ;D
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Post by stevecollins on Dec 1, 2005 17:30:05 GMT -5
didnt DBTT peak at #9 in the billboard charts? okay they didnt have one smash hit single that was constantly played on the radio but surely thats an indication there back.
America's music industry has got alot of problems though and im not surprised the likes of coldplay and radiohead ('zzzzzzz') do well over there because there hardly rock and roll are they, sometimes what america say they want and what they really want are two different things.
times have changed from the english bands invading in the 60s and in 77 with the punk invasion, america just dont always exept good music anymore.....if the rolling stones went over there now as a new band and were unheard of theres a good chance they could be sent packing.
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Post by jlzoasis on Dec 1, 2005 19:49:47 GMT -5
they sold out MSG, thats enough crakin for me !  |
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Post by Mogly on Dec 1, 2005 19:58:35 GMT -5
Well, both sides of this are kinda right… "Morning Glory" was MASSIVE here. It really did sell over 4 million, thanks to "Wonderwall" and "Champagne Supernova." And "Definitely Maybe" wasn't HUGE when it first came out, but it sold over 1/2-million at the time, and eventually went platinum (that's 1 million), certified in August of 2001. "Be Here Now" sold almost 2 million here, too. Since then… well, not so much. What I think happened was that the US at the time fell in love with the songs ("Wonderwall" and "Champagne Supernova"), not the band. Despite what people tell you about "wild and crazy America," we like our pop/rock stars to play nice. We like MTV-approved wildness and feuds, not the real deal. nah, cracking america is about having a constant and huge amount of fans... if you still have any doubts about oasis breaking or not breal}king america, go ask noel. he'll tell you he didn't and he doesn't give a fuck... that's the attitude right there man!!! |
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Post by NoelandMeMay29 on Dec 1, 2005 20:24:36 GMT -5
There's bands in the U.S. that are considered BIG and they haven't sold 7 million records and have a DVD sell 500,000.
None of Radioheads albums have gone multi platinum in the U.S and the last to have gone Gold.
Maybe they have been more 'consistant' than Oasis but in 1996 Oasis may have been the biggest band in the US.
If it was brief than so be it, but a CRACK only takes a short period of time!!!!
Pablo Honey, The Bends, OK Computer & Kid A all went platinum and Amnesiac and Hail went gold.
All those combined are just a bit more than MG sold by itself.
So if OASIS didn't crack U.S. than neither did Radiohead and I sure thought they did.
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Post by Danny on Dec 1, 2005 21:30:33 GMT -5
amen ... and U2 has cracked the US b/c there somethin diff. during the 80's there nothing now there just big cuz there old
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Post by shakermaker00 on Dec 2, 2005 2:02:14 GMT -5
they never did fuckin non profit shite, sucked conan obrians public cock or complimented ronald mcfuckin donald on his cheeseburgers
thats why they didnt crack america
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Post by Chrisisawarmgun on Dec 2, 2005 5:02:19 GMT -5
they sold out MSG, thats enough crakin for me ! I would agree. Selling out MSG in what, less than an hour? And I never heard any news about lacking ticket sales for larger venues with more "american" bands like Inland Invasion. I would say they have a large enough fanbase in America for how much promotion they've done here in the past 5 years, plus I hear Wonderwall on the radio all the time here in Irvine and Newport Beach as well as back home. People know Oasis, at least in California. |
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Post by rhia66 on Dec 2, 2005 10:03:20 GMT -5
NO - they did not crack america COS AMERICANS DON'T "Get " Liam.. doubtful if they ever will and honestly it does not matter..  |
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Post by Mogly on Dec 2, 2005 10:05:41 GMT -5
the fact that people know wonderwall doesn't mean they know oasis, I know it's fucking sad but it's true
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Post by kf on Dec 6, 2005 16:23:35 GMT -5
''OASIS AN AMERICA'' shouldn't be talked about on the same page
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Post by Poshbird05 on Dec 9, 2005 17:24:03 GMT -5
lear to speak english you shit it would be Oasis and America. And if you have a problem with it get of the fucking site it is, afterall, Live4ever.US. And if it wasn't for America then you wouldn't fucking have rock N' roll, since it is after all a direct perponet of Jazz the true american art.
Fuck off cock
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