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Post by freddy838 on Feb 7, 2013 10:47:36 GMT -5
It's very rare that Liam actually 'sings', unlike Noel. I'm not having a pop at Liam but eventually the shouting took its toll plus a mixture of everything that has been said already. He's singing into a microphone so I don't see why he feels he needs to bellow, and instead concentrate on pronouncing the words properly and clearly. He still has an absolutely fucking amazing voice on him but he can't pull off a live performance like he used to, but he doesn't seem to want to amend his style.
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Post by thomas09 on Feb 7, 2013 11:19:50 GMT -5
For anyone who thinks liam's voice has deteriorated please listen to this: i love GNR but this is shit , liam is far better than axl nowadays I agree, but just like Liam, when he puts the effort in he can still sound amazing: |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 7, 2013 11:26:41 GMT -5
An artist who continues to impress me every single time I see Pearl Jam is Eddie Vedder. He is in his mid 40s, voice as strong as ever but drinks, smokes and did drugs just like the Gallagher brothers. Drinks a bottle of wine during every show. I guess its in the genes. Check out the singing at the 3:10 mark. Eddie is holding that note for almost 15 seconds. Epic.
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Post by thomas09 on Feb 7, 2013 11:52:19 GMT -5
I agree Eddie still has an amazing voice, even when doing 3 hour shows a night. The only thing that lets him down is Matt Cameron's fast drumming, he sounds under pressure keeping up sometimes, especially during even flow
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Post by thedon on Feb 7, 2013 12:04:22 GMT -5
Noel and Liam have different vocal ranges yet Liam sang songs in Noel's vocal range, not his own. Don't underestimate that. Stretching to hit notes that were out of his natural range for however many years Oasis toured might be responsible for most of the damage.
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Post by thedon on Feb 7, 2013 12:06:59 GMT -5
Oh and regarding Eddie Vedder keeping his voice into his 40s... yeah, he's a baritone.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 7, 2013 12:25:26 GMT -5
I agree Eddie still has an amazing voice, even when doing 3 hour shows a night. The only thing that lets him down is Matt Cameron's fast drumming, he sounds under pressure keeping up sometimes, especially during even flow I always felt Matt was the best drummer Pearl Jam ever had. They had the Spinal Tap syndrome going on for a long long time. Kinda like Oasis.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2013 12:47:23 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2013 15:34:39 GMT -5
Noel and Liam have different vocal ranges yet Liam sang songs in Noel's vocal range, not his own. Don't underestimate that. Stretching to hit notes that were out of his natural range for however many years Oasis toured might be responsible for most of the damage. This is also an excellent point that I hadn't considered. I never understood why they didn't just take the songs down a tone or two. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2013 15:35:02 GMT -5
Oh well, thats the end of that then.... I laughed. Touche, sir. |
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Post by vespa on Feb 7, 2013 17:53:01 GMT -5
Simple fact is that liam is a very loud singer,in recording,live etc,and his stance is part of the problem as it strains his vocal terribly(try singing like it).he was warned in 97 about this,but this style allowed him to hit his notes and sing noels songs properly,and apparently he rests it for months before going in studio and gets his vocal takes in one and he doesnt have any autotune etc on his vocals,its how good n prolific the man is,people say hes not talented well this is a talent in its own right...now after recording he tends to get back on it!and the vocals become stretched again live.dont compare with noel,totally different..altho noels voice was gettin rougher on his tour,good comparison with axl but he sounds awful n doesnt sig half as loud as liam,liam does well really
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Post by Underneath the sky on Feb 7, 2013 18:18:48 GMT -5
It's without doubt down to his stance. You can see hear the change in his vocals even in the 1994 gigs. Shouting with a bent neck for sustained periods is inevitably going to ruin your vocal cords.
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Post by The Spider And The Fly on Feb 9, 2013 8:55:55 GMT -5
I think its possible that Liam's voice changed when he got his two front teeth knocked out in the bar fight in Germany. Thats always been my theory, WHat do you guys think, could that change it???
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Post by gdforever on Feb 9, 2013 12:28:38 GMT -5
It's probably a little of what everyone has said in this thread.
His stance, natural deterioration due to age, smoking and drugs (let's not forget that Liam kept doing drugs long after Noel quit so their treatment of their bodies haven't been equal. Liam had a quote about not having had any drugs in months or something when he was promoting DGSS...so he's been doing them off and on at the very least for over 10 years since Noel stopped), vocal technique, personal preference (Liam is on record saying that he prefers the rough tone that he has now to the clearer tone that he had in the beginning so some of the changes are probably intentional), lack of warming up before gigs, loudness of music.
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Post by Binary Sunset on Feb 13, 2013 11:08:14 GMT -5
I think that getting his teeth knocked out in 2002 changed some of the pronunciation of the words, but not the actual voice itself. I also think that the stance and singing style helped ruin his voice, while the drugs allowed him to continue singing this way.....
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Post by LlAM on Feb 13, 2013 12:12:45 GMT -5
Its definitely the way he sings that ruined his voice.
The gritty growling snarling vocal is not his natural voice.
Listen to early bootlegs (pre-94) and compare it to 95-96 and you'll hear a difference.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 15:42:13 GMT -5
Definitely the lack of warming up before a performance took its toll. I don't think Liam ever took classes or visited someone to recover his voice throughout the years..
But that point of trying to adapt his vocal range to Noel's is very interesting, I never really thought about it.
It kind of correlates with fact of Noel keeping some songs for himself instead of working them with oasis, as there was an amount of Noel-sung songs "allowed" in releases.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 13, 2013 15:51:22 GMT -5
Definitely the lack of warming up before a performance took its toll. I don't think Liam ever took classes or visited someone to recover his voice throughout the years.. But that point of trying to adapt his vocal range to Noel's is very interesting, I never really thought about it. It kind of correlates with fact of Noel keeping some songs for himself instead of working them with oasis, as there was an amount of Noel-sung songs "allowed" in releases. There were a bunch of songs Noel intended for Liam to sing but they never worked out in studio sessions. I remember when Noel was doing promotion work for Heathen Chemistry. He said songs like Where Did It All Go Wrong?, Force of Nature and Little By Little were originally intended for Liam but he couldn't quite nail it in the studio. Save it for a future anthology release I say. Not sure if Liam ever attempted to sing Sunday Morning Call. I think that would be interesting to hear. I see what you are saying. With each passing album, Noel was writing more and more songs Liam would never sing (MF, TIOBI, POTQ, WFTR, FD, GOYHHL). |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 15:58:21 GMT -5
Until recently I think the downfall of Liam's voice was him simply not giving a shit about it.
Yeah, I said it, and in this thread not the other one too.
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Post by gdforever on Feb 13, 2013 17:29:28 GMT -5
I always thought that they changed keys on quite a few songs to compensate for Liam's different vocal range particularly in the latter days.
I only say that because I remember Noel mentioning that they changed the key of STC when it was going on his album instead of an Oasis one. Funnily enough he still ended up picking the wrong key apparently.
Don't know how many other instances there were of that 2002-
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 17:44:03 GMT -5
Its definitely the way he sings that ruined his voice. The gritty growling snarling vocal is not his natural voice. Listen to early bootlegs (pre-94) and compare it to 95-96 and you'll hear a difference. Cigarettes do that to your voice, take Paul Weller for instance... The Style Council... His second solo album... Liam was encouraged by McGee to make his voice a bit raspier and I think he was right to because it sounds a lot better than his voice in 1994 imo but that would naturally happen anyway because Liam is a smoker just like Weller and because he gives it his all when he sings. If it wasn't his natural voice I don't think he would have kept it up for the last 10 years, if anything I'd say his voice in 1994 doesn't sound like his natural voice, it always sounds to me like he's trying to make his voice higher than it is. |
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Post by Let It Bleed on Feb 13, 2013 17:55:14 GMT -5
as people age their voice does change, too......
God bless.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 13, 2013 17:55:59 GMT -5
Its definitely the way he sings that ruined his voice. The gritty growling snarling vocal is not his natural voice. Listen to early bootlegs (pre-94) and compare it to 95-96 and you'll hear a difference. Cigarettes do that to your voice, take Paul Weller for instance... The Style Council... His second solo album... Liam was encouraged by McGee to make his voice a bit raspier and I think he was right to because it sounds a lot better than his voice in 1994 imo but that would naturally happen anyway because Liam is a smoker just like Weller and because he gives it his all when he sings. If it wasn't his natural voice I don't think he would have kept it up for the last 10 years, if anything I'd say his voice in 1994 doesn't sound like his natural voice, it always sounds to me like he's trying to make his voice higher than it is. Is that Alan's brother Paul on the sticks in the Sunflower video? Nice! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2013 17:57:30 GMT -5
Hes pretending... Its all an act by Gallagher jr.
Its all for shits and giggles y'see..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2013 7:58:02 GMT -5
Cigarettes do that to your voice, take Paul Weller for instance... The Style Council... His second solo album... Liam was encouraged by McGee to make his voice a bit raspier and I think he was right to because it sounds a lot better than his voice in 1994 imo but that would naturally happen anyway because Liam is a smoker just like Weller and because he gives it his all when he sings. If it wasn't his natural voice I don't think he would have kept it up for the last 10 years, if anything I'd say his voice in 1994 doesn't sound like his natural voice, it always sounds to me like he's trying to make his voice higher than it is. Is that Alan's brother Paul on the sticks in the Sunflower video? Nice! Alan's brother Steve yeh, very talented drummer, drummed with Weller live and on record for quite a long time. |
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