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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2013 8:00:12 GMT -5
Having read many, many comments from people claiming that Liam's voice has deteriorated over the past couple of decades as a result of drinking and smoking and age, I'm thou roughly sick of it and wish to clear it up.
It's his singing stance. Plain and simple. Watch early gigs from the mid 90's and you can see how much his neck is craned upwards to reach the mike.
The amount of stress singing like that places on the vocal chords and muscles of the neck is astounding (as every good Oasis fan impersonating him will know).
In more recent years it's clear for all to see that he now sings more directly into the microphone, placing less stress on his neck.
Noel is older than Liam and regularly drinks and smokes and yet his voice has not lost it's range or it's quality over the years.
It's his stance. I know it.
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Post by thepicturesgeneration on Feb 6, 2013 8:14:54 GMT -5
there really is no conclusive way to prove this, but your theory seems very possible, and makes perfect sense.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 6, 2013 8:35:45 GMT -5
Sometimes it is as simple as your genes. Look at baseball. So many pitchers have million dollar arms. Some blow them out and have Tommy John. Others pitch 15-20 years without incident. You just don't know until it strikes. I believe Liam's vocal range decline is a mix of alcohol, cigarettes, his stance and genes.
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Post by themanwithnoname on Feb 6, 2013 9:34:41 GMT -5
Having read many, many comments from people claiming that Liam's voice has deteriorated over the past couple of decades as a result of drinking and smoking and age, I'm thou roughly sick of it and wish to clear it up. It's his singing stance. Plain and simple. Watch early gigs from the mid 90's and you can see how much his neck is craned upwards to reach the mike. The amount of stress singing like that places on the vocal chords and muscles of the neck is astounding (as every good Oasis fan impersonating him will know). In more recent years it's clear for all to see that he now sings more directly into the microphone, placing less stress on his neck. Noel is older than Liam and regularly drinks and smokes and yet his voice has not lost it's range or it's quality over the years. It's his stance. I know it. Certainly a plausible theory. But in terms of Noel you have to factor in that he's done a lot less singing than Liam over the years. A couple or three songs at a gig isn't much in comparison to however many Liam was getting through. Liam's also known as a bit of a 'shouter' and sings incredibly loud (I remember Death in Vegas saying this when they recorded Scorpio Rising), so that could have something to do with it too. |
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Post by spaneli on Feb 6, 2013 9:39:00 GMT -5
Sometimes it is as simple as your genes. Look at baseball. So many pitchers have million dollar arms. Some blow them out and have Tommy John. Others pitch 15-20 years without incident. You just don't know until it strikes. I believe Liam's vocal range decline is a mix of alcohol, cigarettes, his stance and genes. I agree. It's not one single factor, but a mix of factors that caused his voice to deteriorate. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 6, 2013 20:09:12 GMT -5
Chicken or the egg though: Did he change his stance in order to accommodate his deteriorating vocals?
While I noticed the shifting stance as well, I would have to say it was probably done in order for him to cope better, sadly, and not the other way around.
After all, he wouldn't change something that ultimately worked, especially if the trade off was a style that made things worse....
I also think the loudness of the band played a huge factor in exaggerating Liam's problem - notice how he shouts in the louder tunes, but he's still capable of producing solid vocals when the music is softer.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 6, 2013 20:24:52 GMT -5
I don't really think its deteriorated in the sense I find it 'worse'. In the studio with a rested voice and early in tours he's great still for me. Because his voice is different now doesn't mean I like it any less.
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Post by Bruno on Feb 6, 2013 20:34:48 GMT -5
I think it a combination of age and heavy usage of drugs, drinking and smoking. That stuff's got to effect on his voice, no?
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Post by underneaththesky on Feb 6, 2013 20:36:19 GMT -5
It's his stance. I know it. creepy, man. (by the way, there's an early demo with Setting Sun, sung by Liam that is laying around somewhere that some of them are trying to buy. can't wait to hear the voice with his stance. and that stance, you know it.) ((oh and do you think he went to that stance when he first sang 'sheeeeine'?)) tell us |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 6, 2013 20:40:13 GMT -5
I don't really think its deteriorated in the sense I find it 'worse'. In the studio with a rested voice and early in tours he's great still for me. Because his voice is different now doesn't mean I like it any less. Tom you need an avatar. I don't like seeing that alien conehead. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 6, 2013 20:47:44 GMT -5
I don't really think its deteriorated in the sense I find it 'worse'. In the studio with a rested voice and early in tours he's great still for me. Because his voice is different now doesn't mean I like it any less. Tom you need an avatar. I don't like seeing that alien conehead. I'd become quite fond of the alien conehead. Maybe I'll look for something tomorrow. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 6, 2013 20:57:35 GMT -5
Tom you need an avatar. I don't like seeing that alien conehead. I'd become quite fond of the alien conehead. Maybe I'll look for something tomorrow. If you stick with the conehead look well then own it. Go big or go home.  |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 6, 2013 21:02:55 GMT -5
Haha you call that big? I don't think you know your deformed heads.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2013 5:18:45 GMT -5
I think it a combination of age and heavy usage of drugs, drinking and smoking. That stuff's got to effect on his voice, no? This was the very point I made in reference to Noel: he's even older than Liam and used drugs too. And is still a smoker and a drinker, yet his voice is unaffected. The point about changing his singing position - exactly. I think he lowered the mike once he started struggling to sing. Anyone who thinks that there isn't something in this - try singing Live Forever normally,and then sing it with your neck craned upwards like Liam did in the early days. You will see what I mean. |
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Post by Bruno on Feb 7, 2013 5:50:51 GMT -5
I think it a combination of age and heavy usage of drugs, drinking and smoking. That stuff's got to effect on his voice, no? This was the very point I made in reference to Noel: he's even older than Liam and used drugs too. And is still a smoker and a drinker, yet his voice is unaffected. The point about changing his singing position - exactly. I think he lowered the mike once he started struggling to sing. Anyone who thinks that there isn't something in this - try singing Live Forever normally,and then sing it with your neck craned upwards like Liam did in the early days. You will see what I mean. If this were true, why would he change his singing stance to a position that would make him sound worse. I think we can give Liam a little more credit than that. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2013 6:16:21 GMT -5
there is also the fact Liam might sing from his throat. you are meant to sing from your diaphragm. when you sing from your throat you tend to lose your voice quicker. years of singing from the throat might have damaged his vocal chords severely and caused him to get vocal nodules.
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Post by Bruno on Feb 7, 2013 6:26:05 GMT -5
I'm a big fan of Pink Floyd so I'll give this example both David Gilmour and Roger Waters had good voices in the 70's. Now they were both drinkers and smokers, still are. By 1987, on Waters' Radio Kaos tour his voice was complete shit whereas on Floyd's 87 tour Gilmour still had an amazing voice. Now this could be because of many reasons, maybe because Waters used to shout and scream in some songs like Liam or maybe it's just down to genes. This is something similar to the Liam and Noel comparison that someone drew. So basically what I'm trying to say is that its not to do with whose older or younger, there might be many contributing factors(and I don't think one of them is his stance).
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Post by thomas09 on Feb 7, 2013 7:21:38 GMT -5
For anyone who thinks liam's voice has deteriorated please listen to this:
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Post by Bruno on Feb 7, 2013 7:27:39 GMT -5
For anyone who thinks liam's voice has deteriorated please listen to this: Awesome man...I actually burst out laughing....hilarious!!  |
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Post by thomas09 on Feb 7, 2013 7:36:00 GMT -5
For anyone who thinks liam's voice has deteriorated please listen to this: Awesome man...I actually burst out laughing....hilarious!! I think a lot of people did! I was actually really looking forward to that gig but he completely blew it  |
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Post by MacaRonic on Feb 7, 2013 7:38:48 GMT -5
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Post by hypermyth on Feb 7, 2013 8:09:12 GMT -5
For anyone who thinks liam's voice has deteriorated please listen to this: i love GNR but this is shit , liam is far better than axl nowadays |
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Feb 7, 2013 9:31:03 GMT -5
For anyone who thinks liam's voice has deteriorated please listen to this: this is so bad i have to say something in my mother-language.... LECK MICH AM ARSCH!!! hahahahha xD |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2013 10:05:09 GMT -5
This was the very point I made in reference to Noel: he's even older than Liam and used drugs too. And is still a smoker and a drinker, yet his voice is unaffected. The point about changing his singing position - exactly. I think he lowered the mike once he started struggling to sing. Anyone who thinks that there isn't something in this - try singing Live Forever normally,and then sing it with your neck craned upwards like Liam did in the early days. You will see what I mean. If this were true, why would he change his singing stance to a position that would make him sound worse. I think we can give Liam a little more credit than that. Perhaps my explanation was a little unclear. I mean that he altered his singing position considerably in order to allow himself to sing better. Once his voice had been damaged there was no going back. But I do think that his voice deteriorated at a lesser rate as a result of this change in position. Also, once more I see people doubting his stance as having any effect. I implore you to try singing an early Oasis song as Liam did, with your neck strained like his was, and then try it in a normal and comfortable position. It is undoubtedly less stressful on the voice. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 7, 2013 10:20:26 GMT -5
It was said best in Blade Runner regarding Liam.
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