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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2013 13:18:34 GMT -5
Gallagher Jnr proclaimed the "best album in 50 years" When you compare Different Gear, Still Speeding to EVERY album since 1961.. Its down near the bottom isnt it. Fair critism. No it would be somewhere in the middle |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 4, 2013 13:39:49 GMT -5
Taking that sort of bluster seriously and having an idea of the man with which you are dealing is pretty naive or stupid or both. Like you thought when he said it 'OMFGZ! Liam said its the best album in 50 years, so it must be!' 40 year old Gallagher said it. He must take the flack. 5 decades of flack. Hahaha, It has to be said HFP you were nowhere near as funny before you adopted this this strange and bitter alter ego. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2013 13:47:45 GMT -5
40 year old Gallagher said it. He must take the flack. 5 decades of flack. Hahaha, It has to be said HFP you were nowhere near as funny before you adopted this this strange and bitter alter ego. Sometimes the truth leaves a bitter taste. This is a thread about critisism toward a certain album that was touted to be "the best in 50 years" and I gave my view.. Whats wrong with that Tommee? |
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Post by spaneli on Feb 4, 2013 14:14:58 GMT -5
Because Beady Eye's album has bettered EOTR, IIHAG, BA, RM, SOTWB. Right.   it's not htat hard to understand that some folks prefered stuff like four letter word, millionaire, wigwam, the morning son, bring the light, the roller etc. i love noels record but it lacks variety. What? And Beady Eye's record has variety. Did I miss something? There's rocker, piano driven rocker, and then ballad. With Noel, there's dance track, ballad, rocker, horn driven tracks. Let's not act Beady Eye or Noel were transcending genres and REALLY had variety. That's like saying Beady Eye's the tallest midget. If the difference between between having variety and is instead having a rocker, but having a piano driven rocker, or having a horn driven up-tempo track and a non horn driven up-tempo track then I'm done with music. Neither of them had much variety. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 4, 2013 14:16:04 GMT -5
Hahaha, It has to be said HFP you were nowhere near as funny before you adopted this this strange and bitter alter ego. Sometimes the truth leaves a bitter taste. This is a thread about critisism toward a certain album that was touted to be "the best in 50 years" and I gave my view.. Whats wrong with that Tommee? Touted by one man who as far as press for albums goes is known to bluster. The majority of Journo's didn't use it as stick to beat them with because they know Liam and also know that that kind of comment has nothing to do with the merit of the music itself. I sort of hope you did take it completely seriously and put it on waiting for the real follow up to Revolver but I would be shocked you would be that stupid. You are doing what the new HFP does worst. Criticise the album sure, I mean you spend quite a few posts doing that here anyway. Bit weird to say 'this album isn't up to the mark because the lead singer said....'  |
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Feb 4, 2013 14:21:59 GMT -5
it's not htat hard to understand that some folks prefered stuff like four letter word, millionaire, wigwam, the morning son, bring the light, the roller etc. i love noels record but it lacks variety. What? And Beady Eye's record has variety. Did I miss something? There's rocker, piano driven rocker, and then ballad. With Noel, there's dance track, ballad, rocker, horn driven tracks. Let's not act Beady Eye or Noel were transcending genres and REALLY had variety. That's like saying Beady Eye's the tallest midget. If the difference between between having variety and is instead having a rocker, but having a piano driven rocker, or having a horn driven up-tempo track and a non horn driven up-tempo track then I'm done with music. Neither of them had much variety. that is my opinion. for me it sounds like it has more variety, don't know why, but noel's album, as great as it is, sounds really repeating for me, don't know if the drum tracks are the fault. i love NGHFB but i have more problems to listen to it in its full length, than i have with DGSS |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2013 14:23:12 GMT -5
Sometimes the truth leaves a bitter taste. This is a thread about critisism toward a certain album that was touted to be "the best in 50 years" and I gave my view.. Whats wrong with that Tommee? Touted by one man who as far as press for albums goes is known to bluster. The majority of Journo's didn't use it as stick to beat them with because they know Liam and also know that that kind of comment has nothing to do with the merit of the music itself. I sort of hope you did take it completely seriously and put it on waiting for the real follow up to Revolver but I would be shocked you would be that stupid. You are doing what the new HFP does worst. Criticise the album sure, I mean you spend quite a few posts doing that here anyway. Bit weird to say 'this album isn't up to the mark because the lead singer said....' I have never listened to Revolver... So no, i was not waiting for the follow up to Revolver. Who is "the new HFP" btw? |
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Post by RocketMan on Feb 4, 2013 14:23:42 GMT -5
i think the reviews were better than the album itself. same for noels album. no stand-out track on both albums, but both got some 4/5 reviews which is a bit strange. but that's a personal issue isn't it?
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Post by spaneli on Feb 4, 2013 14:28:46 GMT -5
Sometimes the truth leaves a bitter taste. This is a thread about critisism toward a certain album that was touted to be "the best in 50 years" and I gave my view.. Whats wrong with that Tommee? Touted by one man who as far as press for albums goes is known to bluster. The majority of Journo's didn't use it as stick to beat them with because they know Liam and also know that that kind of comment has nothing to do with the merit of the music itself. I sort of hope you did take it completely seriously and put it on waiting for the real follow up to Revolver but I would be shocked you would be that stupid. You are doing what the new HFP does worst.Criticise the album sure, I mean you spend quite a few posts doing that here anyway. Bit weird to say 'this album isn't up to the mark because the lead singer said....' Seriously? that tactic? "I would be shocked you would be that stupid" If you're gonna debate Tom, debate on facts. Don't use tricks, such as turning the debate back on the validity of the debater. The plain fact of the matter is that Liam said it. That's it. Remember, this is the person who speaks from the heart. So when he says that he believes that this is the best album of the last 50 years. That means he means it because obviously this is a man who speaks from the heart and wouldn't say it unless his heart believed it. So even if doesn't matter what journalist think or say, shouldn't it matter what Liam says or what he believes? Did he truly believe that it was a truly great album probably? So if anyone's gonna judge the album against anything, shouldn't it be against exactly what Liam believes/d. Or should no one ever believe that Liam believes that album is amazing? Let's take out that he said "of the last 50 years". That still doesn't take away from the fact that he believed that it was a great album. So it really hinges on whether you can believe what Liam says and believes. Once you answer that question, then take out the 50 years and just say that Liam truly believed that DGSS was a great album. Next ask, is DGSS a great album. Once you answer that, then whether it's been unfairly criticized can be answered. |
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Post by spaneli on Feb 4, 2013 14:31:41 GMT -5
What? And Beady Eye's record has variety. Did I miss something? There's rocker, piano driven rocker, and then ballad. With Noel, there's dance track, ballad, rocker, horn driven tracks. Let's not act Beady Eye or Noel were transcending genres and REALLY had variety. That's like saying Beady Eye's the tallest midget. If the difference between between having variety and is instead having a rocker, but having a piano driven rocker, or having a horn driven up-tempo track and a non horn driven up-tempo track then I'm done with music. Neither of them had much variety. that is my opinion. for me it sounds like it has more variety, don't know why, but noel's album, as great as it is, sounds really repeating for me, don't know if the drum tracks are the fault. i love NGHFB but i have more problems to listen to it in its full length, than i have with DGSS It sounds like you're speaking toward more of ease of listening experience, than actual musical variety. But to each their own |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 4, 2013 14:33:12 GMT -5
Touted by one man who as far as press for albums goes is known to bluster. The majority of Journo's didn't use it as stick to beat them with because they know Liam and also know that that kind of comment has nothing to do with the merit of the music itself. I sort of hope you did take it completely seriously and put it on waiting for the real follow up to Revolver but I would be shocked you would be that stupid. You are doing what the new HFP does worst. Criticise the album sure, I mean you spend quite a few posts doing that here anyway. Bit weird to say 'this album isn't up to the mark because the lead singer said....' I have never listened to Revolver... So no, i was not waiting for the follow up to Revolver. Who is "the new HFP" btw? Well insert whatever album you think is brilliant. Come on mate keep up. The strange troll like figure you have become after leaving the forum due to a lack of attention the last time around. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2013 14:38:19 GMT -5
I have never listened to Revolver... So no, i was not waiting for the follow up to Revolver. Who is "the new HFP" btw? Well insert whatever album you think is brilliant. Come on mate keep up. The strange troll like figure you have become after leaving the forum due to a lack of attention the last time around. How does one get attention on an anonymous internet forum? You do not know who I am... I gain no attention from writing my opinions on a message board, and likewise I do not know who you are (a man called Tom im assuming like). And "troll like figure". Im not a troll, I just say things that some disagree with |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 4, 2013 14:40:39 GMT -5
Touted by one man who as far as press for albums goes is known to bluster. The majority of Journo's didn't use it as stick to beat them with because they know Liam and also know that that kind of comment has nothing to do with the merit of the music itself. I sort of hope you did take it completely seriously and put it on waiting for the real follow up to Revolver but I would be shocked you would be that stupid. You are doing what the new HFP does worst.Criticise the album sure, I mean you spend quite a few posts doing that here anyway. Bit weird to say 'this album isn't up to the mark because the lead singer said....' Seriously? that tactic? "I would be shocked you would be that stupid" If you're gonna debate Tom, debate on facts. Don't use tricks, such as turning the debate back on the validity of the debater. The plain fact of the matter is that Liam said it. That's it. Remember, this is the person who speaks from the heart. So when he says that he believes that this is the best album of the last 50 years. That means he means it because obviously this is a man who speaks from the heart and wouldn't say it unless his heart believed it. So even if doesn't matter what journalist think or say, shouldn't it matter what Liam says or what he believes? Did he truly believe that it was a truly great album probably? So if anyone's gonna judge the album against anything, shouldn't it be against exactly what Liam believes/d. Or should no one ever believe that Liam believes that album is amazing? Let's take out that he said "of the last 50 years". That still doesn't take away from the fact that he believed that it was a great album. So it really hinges on whether you can believe what Liam says and believes. Once you answer that question, then take out the 50 years and just say that Liam truly believed that DGSS was a great album. Next ask, is DGSS a great album. Once you answer that, then whether it's been unfairly criticized can be answered. Questioning someone who is peddling a point of view that they don't believe themselves is not a 'trick'. I don't really know what to say to the rest of that pedantic ramble except that I and the vast majority (I hope) don't judge the merits of music on the comments of the bands that make it. And at the end of the day, it really is mostly about the music.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2013 14:43:03 GMT -5
Wait . . . he's got a point.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2013 14:53:39 GMT -5
Wait . . . he's got a point. The big fucker sounds like Joe Swanson. |
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Post by The Chief on Feb 4, 2013 14:56:57 GMT -5
Unfaily? No I don't think so. DGSS was more a compilation of Oasis left-overs and, in many cases, you can hear why they weren't included on recordds. To me, other than Four Letter Word, Bring the Light, Wigwam, Three Ring Circus and The Morning Son, the others songs are not worth what the lads are able to do. Liam, Gem and Andy wrote some awesome songs and they are able to do it again. But this was clearly not their best. Add a couple of Noel left-overs and you'd get more an Oasis anthology than a proper record. I'm more confident about the next record, I'm sure it'll be way better. I was listening to Dig Out Your Soul yesterday and I have to admit I do miss Liam singing Noel's songs. You can't write off Beady Eye with DGSS. They're talented, they're able to do better. Hi Liam. Oh believe me if I were Liam I'd be up to other things than hang around here  Honestly though, I've been quite harsh with Beady Eye (not here mind you as I post quite rarely) and I highly prefer Noel's record which I still listen to regularly from start to finish including b-sides (bar I'd Pick You Everytime... ugh...). But I realized not long ago that I have to give them a chance as a band and not as an Oasis left-overs band. But if the next record is not mega, beware!  |
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Feb 4, 2013 15:22:15 GMT -5
that is my opinion. for me it sounds like it has more variety, don't know why, but noel's album, as great as it is, sounds really repeating for me, don't know if the drum tracks are the fault. i love NGHFB but i have more problems to listen to it in its full length, than i have with DGSS It sounds like you're speaking toward more of ease of listening experience, than actual musical variety. But to each their own yeah maybe, it's just that it's easier to get through DGSS for me, don't know some tunes are refreshing the tracklist in between. Noels is great and i love the tunes but it's like i said somehow like listening one long track, not every time but more often than with DGSS |
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Post by spaneli on Feb 4, 2013 17:29:30 GMT -5
Seriously? that tactic? "I would be shocked you would be that stupid" If you're gonna debate Tom, debate on facts. Don't use tricks, such as turning the debate back on the validity of the debater. The plain fact of the matter is that Liam said it. That's it. Remember, this is the person who speaks from the heart. So when he says that he believes that this is the best album of the last 50 years. That means he means it because obviously this is a man who speaks from the heart and wouldn't say it unless his heart believed it. So even if doesn't matter what journalist think or say, shouldn't it matter what Liam says or what he believes? Did he truly believe that it was a truly great album probably? So if anyone's gonna judge the album against anything, shouldn't it be against exactly what Liam believes/d. Or should no one ever believe that Liam believes that album is amazing? Let's take out that he said "of the last 50 years". That still doesn't take away from the fact that he believed that it was a great album. So it really hinges on whether you can believe what Liam says and believes. Once you answer that question, then take out the 50 years and just say that Liam truly believed that DGSS was a great album. Next ask, is DGSS a great album. Once you answer that, then whether it's been unfairly criticized can be answered. Questioning someone who is peddling a point of view that they don't believe themselves is not a 'trick'. I don't really know what to say to the rest of that pedantic ramble except that I and the vast majority (I hope) don't judge the merits of music on the comments of the bands that make it. And at the end of the day, it really is mostly about the music. Not saying you should judge music as that. The point was whether the album has been unduly criticized. You said that one shouldn't take what Liam has to say seriously. In terms of whether criticism of the album was warranted. That that wouldn't have matter to journalist because they know that he wouldn't be serious. The OP was speaking toward the criticism of the album in general. That includes fans and journalists alike. So consequently, what Liam does say, does factor into how the album is judged. Unless you know 100% of journalist discounted Liam as a person known for blunder and didn't take it out on Beady Eye. I didn't know that you knew 100% or 90 or 80% of journalists. So for everyone or every journalist, it's not about the music. Unless you know that too about journalists? Or is that another assumption that you're peddling as fact to strengthen your argument? And bringing up the validity of the poster you're debating with is a low move and trick. And that's what you did. Don't put up your hands and act innocent as if all you were doing were debating the actual argument. You were arguing against HFP as a member and not his actual opinion. The fact that you have to insult a member as bitter or say he must be stupid if he believes in something, shows what little point you actually had. I mean, did you not say that HFP was bitter? Did you not say that he would be stupid to take a You can sidestep it, but anyone who can read can see that your motive wasn't to defend your point. And it hasn't been for the past few posts. If than can be said as a trick, then it is. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 4, 2013 18:07:36 GMT -5
Questioning someone who is peddling a point of view that they don't believe themselves is not a 'trick'. I don't really know what to say to the rest of that pedantic ramble except that I and the vast majority (I hope) don't judge the merits of music on the comments of the bands that make it. And at the end of the day, it really is mostly about the music. Not saying you should judge music as that. The point was whether the album has been unduly criticized. You said that one shouldn't take what Liam has to say seriously. In terms of whether criticism of the album was warranted. That that wouldn't have matter to journalist because they know that he wouldn't be serious. The OP was speaking toward the criticism of the album in general. That includes fans and journalists alike. So consequently, what Liam does say, does factor into how the album is judged. Unless you know 100% of journalist discounted Liam as a person known for blunder and didn't take it out on Beady Eye. I didn't know that you knew 100% or 90 or 80% of journalists. So for everyone or every journalist, it's not about the music. Unless you know that too about journalists? Or is that another assumption that you're peddling as fact to strengthen your argument? And bringing up the validity of the poster you're debating with is a low move and trick. And that's what you did. Don't put up your hands and act innocent as if all you were doing were debating the actual argument. You were arguing against HFP as a member and not his actual opinion. The fact that you have to insult a member as bitter or say he must be stupid if he believes in something, shows what little point you actually had. I mean, did you not say that HFP was bitter? Did you not say that he would be stupid to take a You can sidestep it, but anyone who can read can see that your motive wasn't to defend your point. And it hasn't been for the past few posts. If than can be said as a trick, then it is. Having read the reviews I would say that Liam's comment had no serious effect on there opinions of the merits of the music. Because you know, it doesn't change the sound of the record right? The fact is I wasn't responding to the OP and as you well know on forums, members might dip in and out of a conversations commenting on the further points made whether they agree or disagree. I believe I actually addressed HFB's point to do with criticism as well as him as a member had you actually bothered to look. And my other comments were based on previous posts by him in this section. Its funny how you criticise me for making assumptions about someone but then in your final paragraphs go on to make a raft of assumptions about my own intentions. Mine and HFP's conversation appeared to be over but please, continue to blow it out of proportion and drag it limping into another page if you wish. |
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Post by Bittersweet Split on Feb 5, 2013 1:07:13 GMT -5
it's not htat hard to understand that some folks prefered stuff like four letter word, millionaire, wigwam, the morning son, bring the light, the roller etc. i love noels record but it lacks variety. What? And Beady Eye's record has variety. Did I miss something? There's rocker, piano driven rocker, and then ballad. With Noel, there's dance track, ballad, rocker, horn driven tracks. Let's not act Beady Eye or Noel were transcending genres and REALLY had variety. That's like saying Beady Eye's the tallest midget. If the difference between between having variety and is instead having a rocker, but having a piano driven rocker, or having a horn driven up-tempo track and a non horn driven up-tempo track then I'm done with music. Neither of them had much variety. I'm sorry, but if you think that they are near alike in variety and flow, you're wrong. No amount of words is going to convince either you or me otherwise, so I just want you to hear, from me, that you are very wrong, and and that there is no discussion to be had here. |
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Post by redlandsman87 on Feb 5, 2013 3:49:44 GMT -5
I love only about seven songs from the DGSS record (b-sides included) but no, it wasn't unfairly critiqued.
DGSS was comprised of left-over tracks not deemed even B-Side worthy for Oasis or DOYS, which was itself devoid of all but one proper B-Side and we instead received a slew of sub-par remixes. Some great tracks were unnecessarily held back from the Oasis catalog for over ten years, ala The Roller, which says a lot about either the quality of the songs present on DGSS, or says a lot about Noel's dominance over the band and his relationship with band members at the time.
It has its up, it has its downs. It's a 7/10. If anyone rates it less than that, I can't really flack them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2013 6:40:34 GMT -5
No it would be somewhere in the middle Main Entry: de·lu·sion Pronunciation: \di-ˈlü-zhən, dē-\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Late Latin delusion-, delusio, from deludere Date: 15th century 1 : the act of deluding : the state of being deluded 2 a : something that is falsely or delusively believed or propagated b : a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary ; also : the abnormal state marked by such beliefs |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2013 11:19:22 GMT -5
No it would be somewhere in the middle Main Entry: de·lu·sion Pronunciation: \di-ˈlü-zhən, dē-\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Late Latin delusion-, delusio, from deludere Date: 15th century 1 : the act of deluding : the state of being deluded 2 a : something that is falsely or delusively believed or propagated b : a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary ; also : the abnormal state marked by such beliefs More pointless post that attempts to appear witty and smart, it fails. Think of ALL the albums made since 196, all the boy bands and one hit wonders that have come and gone to be forgotten about forever there is no way Beady Eye are near the bottom of that list... |
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Post by Rockin'chair23 on Feb 6, 2013 7:57:20 GMT -5
Personally I think they are harshly criticised. I understand why there album is compared to Noels but the likes of Kasabian, Arctic Monkeys, Jake Bugg & Miles Kane all escape that. Noel will go down as one of the greatest song writers this country has produced, so of course Noel will write the better album. I personally like DGSS. I think there's a really good base for an album with likes of FLW,TR,BTL,MS,WW but there's no getting away from the fact the album is to long & would of benefited from being about 10 tracks instead.
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Post by themanwithnoname on Feb 6, 2013 9:40:45 GMT -5
Touted by one man who as far as press for albums goes is known to bluster. The majority of Journo's didn't use it as stick to beat them with because they know Liam and also know that that kind of comment has nothing to do with the merit of the music itself. I sort of hope you did take it completely seriously and put it on waiting for the real follow up to Revolver but I would be shocked you would be that stupid. You are doing what the new HFP does worst. Criticise the album sure, I mean you spend quite a few posts doing that here anyway. Bit weird to say 'this album isn't up to the mark because the lead singer said....' I have never listened to Revolver... So no, i was not waiting for the follow up to Revolver.  What are you doing posting crap in this thread? Quick, go and listen to Revolver! |
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