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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2013 18:09:43 GMT -5
Does it really matter? An unknown local bass player could easily handle the tunes. But I think they should call up Guigsy.
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Post by Bruno on Feb 7, 2013 20:06:09 GMT -5
Does it really matter? An unknown local bass player could easily handle the tunes. But I think they should call up Guigsy. Wouldn't that be a great sight. Guigsy with Beady Eye! |
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Post by onlyanorthernboy on Feb 9, 2013 5:58:00 GMT -5
Liam says their looking for a bass player at the end of the clip link |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2013 9:15:54 GMT -5
No. The guy's a VERY mediocre musician and not a very nice man according Tony McCarroll....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2013 9:18:23 GMT -5
No. The guy's a VERY mediocre musician and not a very nice man according Tony McCarroll.... He got the job done live and that's what they'd need him for. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2013 9:38:40 GMT -5
No. The guy's a VERY mediocre musician and not a very nice man according Tony McCarroll.... He got the job done live and that's what they'd need him for. Back in the nineties yeh but what's he been doing for the last 13 years? Does he still play and is he even in a fit state to travel the world after 13 years where he apparently retired to smoke weed. Noel didn't see that he was good enough to play on the records so he obviously wasn't very good at all and Oasis never really had hard baselines either, Jeff working on the album might have been a bit more inventive with the baselines so will Guigs even be able to handle the new songs live?.... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2013 10:53:23 GMT -5
He got the job done live and that's what they'd need him for. Back in the nineties yeh but what's he been doing for the last 13 years? Does he still play and is he even in a fit state to travel the world after 13 years where he apparently retired to smoke weed. Noel didn't see that he was good enough to play on the records so he obviously wasn't very good at all and Oasis never really had hard baselines either, Jeff working on the album might have been a bit more inventive with the baselines so will Guigs even be able to handle the new songs live?.... Please tell me your taking a piss? Tony "No Timing" McCarroll calling out Guigs as a "poor musician" might be the most laughable comment of the year thus far. And to your question, you act as though Beady Eye require the best bassist on the planet for their 4 chord, mid-tempo songs. Geez. Ridiculous speak being thrown around here. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2013 11:19:47 GMT -5
Back in the nineties yeh but what's he been doing for the last 13 years? Does he still play and is he even in a fit state to travel the world after 13 years where he apparently retired to smoke weed. Noel didn't see that he was good enough to play on the records so he obviously wasn't very good at all and Oasis never really had hard baselines either, Jeff working on the album might have been a bit more inventive with the baselines so will Guigs even be able to handle the new songs live?.... Please tell me your taking a piss? Tony "No Timing" McCarroll calling out Guigs as a "poor musician" might be the most laughable comment of the year thus far. And to your question, you act as though Beady Eye require the best bassist on the planet for their 4 chord, mid-tempo songs. Geez. Ridiculous speak being thrown around here. Yes Tony McCarroll called Guigs a poor musician and Tony wan't the greatest drummer to ever grace the Earth he admits that himself but at least he contributed to Oasis, although his drumming on Definitely Maybe was very simple, it worked for the songs whereas Noel didn't even let Guigs play bass because he wasn't good enough. Unlike Tony, Guigs had absolutely no back bone and allowed Noel to do whatever he wanted so he stayed in the band a little longer. Liam wanted to replace Guigs with Noel back in 1991, so you think he'd be good enough to play on the same stage as Liam now in 2013 with a band of Chris Sharrock, Gem Archer and Andy Bell?.... The only reason Guigs decided to learn bass was because it was the easiest instrument to play and he couldn't even play that, so yes, Guigs is a poor musician. |
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Feb 9, 2013 11:40:01 GMT -5
Please tell me your taking a piss? Tony "No Timing" McCarroll calling out Guigs as a "poor musician" might be the most laughable comment of the year thus far. And to your question, you act as though Beady Eye require the best bassist on the planet for their 4 chord, mid-tempo songs. Geez. Ridiculous speak being thrown around here. Yes Tony McCarroll called Guigs a poor musician and Tony wan't the greatest drummer to ever grace the Earth he admits that himself but at least he contributed to Oasis, although his drumming on Definitely Maybe was very simple, it worked for the songs whereas Noel didn't even let Guigs play bass because he wasn't good enough. Unlike Tony, Guigs had absolutely no back bone and allowed Noel to do whatever he wanted so he stayed in the band a little longer. Liam wanted to replace Guigs with Noel back in 1991, so you think he'd be good enough to play on the same stage as Liam now in 2013 with a band of Chris Sharrock, Gem Archer and Andy Bell?.... The only reason Guigs decided to learn bass was because it was the easiest instrument to play and he couldn't even play that, so yes, Guigs is a poor musician. when i watch the live clips of the earlier Oasis era it's weird for me. i do understand the working class charme of a band with bonehead and guigsy, but prefer them to better musicians like Andy and Gem? Oasis live shows got really great with 2000 i think. Gem's guitar work and Andy had a great tone on the bass. Optically maybe the first era was better, but working class hero attitude isn't working for me, if the songwriter owns a few rolls royce and swimming pools although he can't drive or swim^^ |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2013 11:41:37 GMT -5
Yes Tony McCarroll called Guigs a poor musician and Tony wan't the greatest drummer to ever grace the Earth he admits that himself but at least he contributed to Oasis, although his drumming on Definitely Maybe was very simple, it worked for the songs whereas Noel didn't even let Guigs play bass because he wasn't good enough. Unlike Tony, Guigs had absolutely no back bone and allowed Noel to do whatever he wanted so he stayed in the band a little longer. Liam wanted to replace Guigs with Noel back in 1991, so you think he'd be good enough to play on the same stage as Liam now in 2013 with a band of Chris Sharrock, Gem Archer and Andy Bell?.... The only reason Guigs decided to learn bass was because it was the easiest instrument to play and he couldn't even play that, so yes, Guigs is a poor musician. when i watch the live clips of the earlier Oasis era it's weird for me. i do understand the working class charme of a band with bonehead and guigsy, but prefer them to better musicians like Andy and Gem? Oasis live shows got really great with 2000 i think. Gem's guitar work and Andy had a great tone on the bass. Optically maybe the first era was better, but working class hero attitude isn't working for me, if the songwriter owns a few rolls royce and swimming pools although he can't drive or swim^^ Or drive... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2013 12:28:55 GMT -5
I wasn't claiming that Guigs isn't a mediocre bassist . . . but McCarroll calling him out is the "tea pot calling the kettle black" if I've ever heard it. Anyone who thinks that somehow Jeff brought anything to Beady Eye, outside of credibility maybe, you're kidding yourself. Bassist's are the most forgotten and easiest to replace members of any band.
Additionally, I've never understood the love for Gem and Andy either. Are they "technically" better musicians than Guigs/Bonehead . . . sure I'll give you that. But in a band with the "best songwriter of the last 30 years" in it, I'm not sure that they really contributed anything to the band. Most of their tunes are filler at best, and utter trash at worst. Neither of them sing on anything, because they already have a great front man too. In Beady Eye they contribute more to the group, and the biggest complaint with Beady Eye is the lack of quality, consistent songs, which neither is known for either. They are nothing more than glorified studio musicians who are being dragged along on Liam/Noel's coattails. Which makes them no different than Guigs/Bonehead for the most part.
I still maintain that the idea that Guigs couldn't "hack" it in Beady Eye as ludicrous at the very least, and ignorant at the worst. He may lack talent, backbone, and desire, but the guy could easily handle the riffs of what is an average band musically. And I like Beady Eye. But let's not get crazy with the hyperbole that they are somehow the musical virtuosos that Oasis never were.
Cheers!
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 9, 2013 12:31:38 GMT -5
Back in the nineties yeh but what's he been doing for the last 13 years? Does he still play and is he even in a fit state to travel the world after 13 years where he apparently retired to smoke weed. Noel didn't see that he was good enough to play on the records so he obviously wasn't very good at all and Oasis never really had hard baselines either, Jeff working on the album might have been a bit more inventive with the baselines so will Guigs even be able to handle the new songs live?.... Please tell me your taking a piss? Tony "No Timing" McCarroll calling out Guigs as a "poor musician" might be the most laughable comment of the year thus far. And to your question, you act as though Beady Eye require the best bassist on the planet for their 4 chord, mid-tempo songs. Geez. Ridiculous speak being thrown around here. Guigs wasn't that good, he was competent live but it really is as simple as that. Seemed like a nice fella who fitted perfectly into what Oasis were but ultimately if you aren't playing the bass lines in the studio then you must be a little limited. You sort of bring down your own point, I wouldn't say the drumming was particularly complicated on Oasis records and yet a succession of different drummers have made those songs better than Tony McCarroll did. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2013 12:37:47 GMT -5
back on topic, I wouldn't have thought the band are happy about Jeff leaving after having had him play on the new album - a bit cynical on his part surely?
as both Gem and Andy could have played the parts themselves it was obviously a considered decision to let Jeff play on the sessions.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 9, 2013 12:41:26 GMT -5
back on topic, I wouldn't have thought the band are happy about Jeff leaving after having had him play on the new album - a bit cynical on his part surely? as both Gem and Andy could have played the parts themselves it was obviously a considered decision to let Jeff play on the sessions. Then the band should have considered making him an official member if that is what Jeff wanted. If not he is a session musician for hire and originally came from the Gorillaz/Albarn camp. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 9, 2013 12:41:34 GMT -5
back on topic, I wouldn't have thought the band are happy about Jeff leaving after having had him play on the new album - a bit cynical on his part surely? as both Gem and Andy could have played the parts themselves it was obviously a considered decision to let Jeff play on the sessions. It is a bit strange but I can't believe there wasn't some sort of conversation about it. They must know he's working on his own stuff. And wouldn't there be an issue perhaps or re-recording his parts if it was acrimonious? Not that we know. |
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Post by gdforever on Feb 9, 2013 12:47:56 GMT -5
Maybe they recorded it different like in a live on the floor kind of way so they needed a full band instead of layering instruments?
Maybe they just realized that he could help them out with some more inventive baselines and they'd take what they could get?
I doubt it's acrimonious because they must have found out a while ago and Jeff was at the PG party. I think there had been rumours all the way back last summer that Jeff was going to be too busy with his own project to do the Stone Roses concert and the Japanese Festival. BDI must have been aware that he is working on his own thing.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 9, 2013 12:54:38 GMT -5
I wasn't claiming that Guigs isn't a mediocre bassist . . . but McCarroll calling him out is the "tea pot calling the kettle black" if I've ever heard it. Anyone who thinks that somehow Jeff brought anything to Beady Eye, outside of credibility maybe, you're kidding yourself. Bassist's are the most forgotten and easiest to replace members of any band. Additionally, I've never understood the love for Gem and Andy either. Are they "technically" better musicians than Guigs/Bonehead . . . sure I'll give you that. But in a band with the "best songwriter of the last 30 years" in it, I'm not sure that they really contributed anything to the band. Most of their tunes are filler at best, and utter trash at worst. Neither of them sing on anything, because they already have a great front man too. In Beady Eye they contribute more to the group, and the biggest complaint with Beady Eye is the lack of quality, consistent songs, which neither is known for either. They are nothing more than glorified studio musicians who are being dragged along on Liam/Noel's coattails. Which makes them no different than Guigs/Bonehead for the most part. I still maintain that the idea that Guigs couldn't "hack" it in Beady Eye as ludicrous at the very least, and ignorant at the worst. He may lack talent, backbone, and desire, but the guy could easily handle the riffs of what is an average band musically. And I like Beady Eye. But let's not get crazy with the hyperbole that they are somehow the musical virtuosos that Oasis never were. Cheers! I think you should go and watch Barrowlands 2001. I think they did make a big difference to the live sound which is obviously a contribution aside from the fact you have no idea of there input into each others songs or indeed Noel's. No one is saying they are Hendrix and Page but they are accomplished, talented musicians, I don't think they are average musically at all. I also have no idea why you describe Guigs as having no backbone? weird. All in all your rant reminded me of this.... |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 9, 2013 12:57:27 GMT -5
Maybe they recorded it different like in a live on the floor kind of way so they needed a full band instead of layering instruments? Maybe they just realized that he could help them out with some more inventive baselines and they'd take what they could get? I doubt it's acrimonious because they must have found out a while ago and Jeff was at the PG party. I think there had been rumours all the way back last summer that Jeff was going to be too busy with his own project to do the Stone Roses concert and the Japanese Festival. BDI must have been aware that he is working on his own thing. Yeah I agree, my own feeling is that there is no personal problems there. Its pretty unlikely that Jeff hadn't mentioned what he was working on and then just said he wasn't touring. |
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Post by gdforever on Feb 9, 2013 13:25:56 GMT -5
Maybe they recorded it different like in a live on the floor kind of way so they needed a full band instead of layering instruments? Maybe they just realized that he could help them out with some more inventive baselines and they'd take what they could get? I doubt it's acrimonious because they must have found out a while ago and Jeff was at the PG party. I think there had been rumours all the way back last summer that Jeff was going to be too busy with his own project to do the Stone Roses concert and the Japanese Festival. BDI must have been aware that he is working on his own thing. Yeah I agree, my own feeling is that there is no personal problems there. Its pretty unlikely that Jeff hadn't mentioned what he was working on and then just said he wasn't touring. Plus they didn't make him a full member of the band with all that that entails. If you keep someone as just a session musician you can't resent them acting like one right? It's just like Zach with Oasis. He played on DOYS and then they got Chris in. From what I remember Noel said it was quite late in recording that Zach made that decision and I've never heard of any rumours of bad blood there. I am interested to hear his input on the album. I think that is probably the most important thing. Finding another session musician for live will certainly not be a problem but I think it's really good that they have had some fresh blood in the studio. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 9, 2013 14:02:32 GMT -5
Yeah I agree, my own feeling is that there is no personal problems there. Its pretty unlikely that Jeff hadn't mentioned what he was working on and then just said he wasn't touring. Plus they didn't make him a full member of the band with all that that entails. If you keep someone as just a session musician you can't resent them acting like one right? It's just like Zach with Oasis. He played on DOYS and then they got Chris in. From what I remember Noel said it was quite late in recording that Zach made that decision and I've never heard of any rumours of bad blood there. I am interested to hear his input on the album. I think that is probably the most important thing. Finding another session musician for live will certainly not be a problem but I think it's really good that they have had some fresh blood in the studio. Yeah agree with all of that, he's a talented and creative and it seems he's done some work in the studio which is much more important than the touring side of it. They didn't make him a full member possibly because he had already told them he couldn't commit full time to Beady Eye. |
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Post by gdforever on Feb 9, 2013 14:23:50 GMT -5
Plus they didn't make him a full member of the band with all that that entails. If you keep someone as just a session musician you can't resent them acting like one right? It's just like Zach with Oasis. He played on DOYS and then they got Chris in. From what I remember Noel said it was quite late in recording that Zach made that decision and I've never heard of any rumours of bad blood there. I am interested to hear his input on the album. I think that is probably the most important thing. Finding another session musician for live will certainly not be a problem but I think it's really good that they have had some fresh blood in the studio. Yeah agree with all of that, he's a talented and creative and it seems he's done some work in the studio which is much more important than the touring side of it. They didn't make him a full member possibly because he had already told them he couldn't commit full time to Beady Eye. While I like the idea of a stable lineup. The idea of a 20-something being IN the band would be weird to me. lol |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2013 14:41:18 GMT -5
Tony "No Timing" McCarroll Brilliant  McCarroll would slag Guigs off, hes been in that '1st out of a big band' phase. Lots of big bands have the bitter reject. I remember some bloke on a Stone Roses documentary claiming to be the bands real bass player, above Mani in the bands history  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2013 15:11:59 GMT -5
Tony "No Timing" McCarroll Brilliant McCarroll would slag Guigs off, hes been in that '1st out of a big band' phase. Lots of big bands have the bitter reject. I remember some bloke on a Stone Roses documentary claiming to be the bands real bass player, above Mani in the bands history Have you read his book? You'd be bitter too if Noel, now believed to be a godlike figure by many had treated you like that... |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 9, 2013 15:41:45 GMT -5
Brilliant McCarroll would slag Guigs off, hes been in that '1st out of a big band' phase. Lots of big bands have the bitter reject. I remember some bloke on a Stone Roses documentary claiming to be the bands real bass player, above Mani in the bands history Have you read his book? You'd be bitter too if Noel, now believed to be a godlike figure by many had treated you like that... Imagine being kicked out of a band because you were too good looking? And the band couldn't even sack you in person they had the manager do it. #PeteBest |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 9, 2013 18:47:46 GMT -5
Have you read his book? You'd be bitter too if Noel, now believed to be a godlike figure by many had treated you like that... Imagine being kicked out of a band because you were too good looking? And the band couldn't even sack you in person they had the manager do it. #PeteBest Are you saying that one makes the other ok because its The Beatles that did it? Just wondering not accusing btw. Strange because I thought most people knew Lennon could be a right bastard as could Paul and George. |
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