redlandsman87
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Post by redlandsman87 on Jan 22, 2013 18:15:41 GMT -5
What the most disappointing thing about the BDI1 era for me wasn't some of the sub-par tracks (I really only *love* seven of the tracks) or the critical reception or viability of the band, but the lack of a #1. I don't think Beady Eye earned a #1 ANYWHERE, did they...?
Nope. Not in ANY record charts as far as I can tell, single OR LP. Now, we all know that chart success doesn't make a great record, or that all great records earn chart success.
But...it was all a bit saddening, wasn't it? 18 years in a band with eight, count 'em, eight #1 LPs, 22(3?) top ten singles with I believe nine going straight to the top...to nothing? Not even for a tabloid seller such as Oasis? Not even because it was the FIRST Ex-Oasis LP available?
We all expect exciting things from BDI the second time around. Awesome. Different style, great. Experimental? Oooh, now ya've peaked my interest...BUT is this departure from the tried and tested Oasis/BDI formula going to cause them even lesser success?
What do you think will contribute most heavily to the success of the LP? Vibrant, original music? A stronger promotional period from the record label/management? A bang up awesome single? Or perhaps just more world-wide recognition of the BDI name and history, due to their performance at the Olympics?
Many things factor in...but most importantly, do you think an Ex-Oasis member can achieve a #1 without the "touch of Noel"? Hasn't happened yet...past confirmed, future pending...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2013 18:18:49 GMT -5
After listening to the whole album it is not that hard to see how it did poorly in the charts. Nothing really compelling there. They released 3 or 4 singles prior to album release, and the album leaked a full 2 weeks before the release as well. By-the-time the album hit shelves anyone who wanted it already had it.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 22, 2013 18:18:49 GMT -5
What the most disappointing thing about the BDI1 era for me wasn't some of the sub-par tracks (I really only *love* seven of the tracks) or the critical reception or viability of the band, but the lack of a #1. I don't think Beady Eye earned a #1 ANYWHERE, did they...? Nope. Not in ANY record charts as far as I can tell, single OR LP. Now, we all know that chart success doesn't make a great record, or that all great records earn chart success. But...it was all a bit saddening, wasn't it? 18 years in a band with eight, count 'em, eight #1 LPs, 22(3?) top ten singles with I believe nine going straight to the top...to nothing? Not even for a tabloid seller such as Oasis? Not even because it was the FIRST Ex-Oasis LP available? We all expect exciting things from BDI the second time around. Awesome. Different style, great. Experimental? Oooh, now ya've peaked my interest...BUT is this departure from the tried and tested Oasis/BDI formula going to cause them even lesser success? What do you think will contribute most heavily to the success of the LP? Vibrant, original music? A stronger promotional period from the record label/management? A bang up awesome single? Or perhaps just more world-wide recognition of the BDI name and history, due to their performance at the Olympics? Many things factor in...but most importantly, do you think an Ex-Oasis member can achieve a #1 without the "touch of Noel"? Hasn't happened yet...past confirmed, future pending... I think a catchy first single would help their chart performance. Also, didn't Beady Eye run into the Adele freight train that week and month?
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Post by supernovadragon on Jan 22, 2013 18:21:39 GMT -5
What the most disappointing thing about the BDI1 era for me wasn't some of the sub-par tracks (I really only *love* seven of the tracks) or the critical reception or viability of the band, but the lack of a #1. I don't think Beady Eye earned a #1 ANYWHERE, did they...? Nope. Not in ANY record charts as far as I can tell, single OR LP. Now, we all know that chart success doesn't make a great record, or that all great records earn chart success. But...it was all a bit saddening, wasn't it? 18 years in a band with eight, count 'em, eight #1 LPs, 22(3?) top ten singles with I believe nine going straight to the top...to nothing? Not even for a tabloid seller such as Oasis? Not even because it was the FIRST Ex-Oasis LP available? We all expect exciting things from BDI the second time around. Awesome. Different style, great. Experimental? Oooh, now ya've peaked my interest...BUT is this departure from the tried and tested Oasis/BDI formula going to cause them even lesser success? What do you think will contribute most heavily to the success of the LP? Vibrant, original music? A stronger promotional period from the record label/management? A bang up awesome single? Or perhaps just more world-wide recognition of the BDI name and history, due to their performance at the Olympics? Many things factor in...but most importantly, do you think an Ex-Oasis member can achieve a #1 without the "touch of Noel"? Hasn't happened yet...past confirmed, future pending... I think a catchy first single would help their chart performance. Also, didn't Beady Eye run into the Adele freight train that week and month? Yes I believe it did Also, sadly I cannot see it being a number 1 album
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Post by vartex on Jan 22, 2013 18:39:29 GMT -5
if the preceeding album single has any effect i believe it has a chance. With the leaks of last time im suprised it got to #3. I read somewhere The Roller was #1 most sold vinyl, but no chart ones
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Post by KRRRRRRR on Jan 22, 2013 18:41:47 GMT -5
I ask this with all sincerity and not intending to be a prick (even though Im good at that).
Why does it matter to you?
The charts these days are so segmented and music on whole is fractured and all over the place. I mean this commercially. I also think this is wonderful because it forces people to go outside of the box to find something they like. Most records that reach #1 today have reached it by selling a fraction of what it would take to get a #1 in the mid to late 90s and the only shit that has staying power on the charts is garbage that appeals to all age groups (i.e. Taylor Swift). If Beady Eye reached #1, it would not stay there and would be a headline for a day or two. Music as a business is night and day compared to when a #1 mattered. You can get to #1 selling less than 100,000 copies these days if you hit a sweet spot in a release calendar when nothing else is coming out. I find most music that charts to be boring garbage aside from the occasional something that falls out of a high placement the very next week.
Does Beady Eye reaching #1 affect your life positively or even at all? Do them making money from selling records (that you wont see a dime of) do anything for you? Is it like supporting a sports club that wins? These are mostly rhetorical, but if you can answer, please do. The only thing I see coming from a #1 is bigger gigs and more idiots who know the hit buying up the tickets. Do you want them to appeal to the masses, ala Coldplay? I live in NYC. I would much rather see a band I enjoy at a smaller venue than say, MSG. I also like not having to worry about tickets. Call it selfish, but the band is still going to be making a lot of money and they're certainly not struggling for coin even if it flopped. The one thing the charts affect is MONEY. They don't reflect on quality.
I never got the absurdity of a fan caring about charts at all, and especially in this fanbase, unless you live in a place where they'd be more likely to tour only if it was a "hit". If you like the record, thats all that should matter. They're not going to break up if the album was a commercial flop.
The only time I can see charts mattering to a fan is if the band is brand new. Beady Eye are not brand new. They have a built-in fanbase from the embers of Oasis. And the only reason they matter if they're new is to ensure their career keeps going. Even that doesnt matter much these days b/c of how easy it is for something good to go "viral" and all of that.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 22, 2013 18:52:03 GMT -5
I ask this with all sincerity and not intending to be a prick (even though Im good at that). Why does it matter to you? The charts these days are so segmented and music on whole is fractured and all over the place. I mean this commercially. I also think this is wonderful because it forces people to go outside of the box to find something they like. Most records that reach #1 today have reached it by selling a fraction of what it would take to get a #1 in the mid to late 90s and the only shit that has staying power on the charts is garbage that appeals to all age groups (i.e. Taylor Swift). If Beady Eye reached #1, it would not stay there and would be a headline for a day or two. Music as a business is night and day compared to when a #1 mattered. You can get to #1 selling less than 100,000 copies these days if you hit a sweet spot in a release calendar when nothing else is coming out. I find most music that charts to be boring garbage aside from the occasional something that falls out of a high placement the very next week. Does Beady Eye reaching #1 affect your life positively or even at all? Do them making money from selling records (that you wont see a dime of) do anything for you? Is it like supporting a sports club that wins? These are mostly rhetorical, but if you can answer, please do. The only thing I see coming from a #1 is bigger gigs and more idiots who know the hit buying up the tickets. Do you want them to appeal to the masses, ala Coldplay? I live in NYC. I would much rather see a band I enjoy at a smaller venue than say, MSG. I also like not having to worry about tickets. Call it selfish, but the band is still going to be making a lot of money and they're certainly not struggling for coin even if it flopped. The one thing the charts affect is MONEY. They don't reflect on quality. I never got the absurdity of a fan caring about charts at all, and especially in this fanbase, unless you live in a place where they'd be more likely to tour only if it was a "hit". If you like the record, thats all that should matter. They're not going to break up if the album was a commercial flop. The only time I can see charts mattering to a fan is if the band is brand new. Beady Eye are not brand new. They have a built-in fanbase from the embers of Oasis. And the only reason they matter if they're new is to ensure their career keeps going. Even that doesnt matter much these days b/c of how easy it is for something good to go "viral" and all of that. I think Liam really really cares. He said he was shocked and stunned the album didn't go #1. Liam is an old school rock star. Being #1 is important to guys like that. It is very hard to go around saying you are the "best band" in the world, then sell very little in your own country. I know record sales don't mean jack shit in the end but if you are gonna talk a big game, deliver.
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Post by KRRRRRRR on Jan 22, 2013 18:56:48 GMT -5
I think Liam really really cares. He said he was shocked and stunned the album didn't go #1. Liam is an old school rock star. Being #1 is important to guys like that. It is very hard to go around saying you are the "best band" in the world, then sell very little in your own country. I know record sales don't mean jack shit in the end but if you are gonna talk a big game, deliver. Liam is also an arrogant, hard-headed, dickhead at times that talks and sometimes thats all he does. If he delivers for you, thats all that should matter. I could care less if he delivers for some dipshit who thinks Coldplay are the best band in the world. They're still going to tour the world.
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Post by redlandsman87 on Jan 22, 2013 19:04:18 GMT -5
I ask this with all sincerity and not intending to be a prick (even though Im good at that). Why does it matter to you? The charts these days are so segmented and music on whole is fractured and all over the place. I mean this commercially. I also think this is wonderful because it forces people to go outside of the box to find something they like. Most records that reach #1 today have reached it by selling a fraction of what it would take to get a #1 in the mid to late 90s and the only shit that has staying power on the charts is garbage that appeals to all age groups (i.e. Taylor Swift). If Beady Eye reached #1, it would not stay there and would be a headline for a day or two. Music as a business is night and day compared to when a #1 mattered. You can get to #1 selling less than 100,000 copies these days if you hit a sweet spot in a release calendar when nothing else is coming out. I find most music that charts to be boring garbage aside from the occasional something that falls out of a high placement the very next week. Does Beady Eye reaching #1 affect your life positively or even at all? Do them making money from selling records (that you wont see a dime of) do anything for you? Is it like supporting a sports club that wins? These are mostly rhetorical, but if you can answer, please do. The only thing I see coming from a #1 is bigger gigs and more idiots who know the hit buying up the tickets. Do you want them to appeal to the masses, ala Coldplay? I live in NYC. I would much rather see a band I enjoy at a smaller venue than say, MSG. I also like not having to worry about tickets. Call it selfish, but the band is still going to be making a lot of money and they're certainly not struggling for coin even if it flopped. The one thing the charts affect is MONEY. They don't reflect on quality. I never got the absurdity of a fan caring about charts at all, and especially in this fanbase, unless you live in a place where they'd be more likely to tour only if it was a "hit". If you like the record, thats all that should matter. They're not going to break up if the album was a commercial flop. The only time I can see charts mattering to a fan is if the band is brand new. Beady Eye are not brand new. They have a built-in fanbase from the embers of Oasis. And the only reason they matter if they're new is to ensure their career keeps going. Even that doesnt matter much these days b/c of how easy it is for something good to go "viral" and all of that. It matters because I want to see one of my favorite bands become more successful by releasing fantastic music and the general public realizing this. Simple as that, isn't it? I don't care about ticket sales, T-shirt sales, or how many records it takes to get to number #1 or any of that jazz. I want to see Liam earn some well-deserved critical appraisal not because he was IN Oasis, or was the brother of a great song-writer, but on his own merits, on his own stomping ground, with his own songs. A #1, no matter what little it means nowadays, is still a badge of honor. Sure, Liam's "been there, done that" but never because of HIMSELF or never as a band leader (despite democracy being cited heavily amongst the band) because nearly all critical praise went to Noel. I just want Liam to be respected as a songwriter and have that success make itself apparent in a variety of ways, the most viable being chart success.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 22, 2013 19:09:25 GMT -5
I think Liam really really cares. He said he was shocked and stunned the album didn't go #1. Liam is an old school rock star. Being #1 is important to guys like that. It is very hard to go around saying you are the "best band" in the world, then sell very little in your own country. I know record sales don't mean jack shit in the end but if you are gonna talk a big game, deliver. Liam is also an arrogant, hard-headed, dickhead at times that talks and sometimes thats all he does. If he delivers for you, thats all that should matter. I could care less if he delivers for some dipshit who thinks Coldplay are the best band in the world. They're still going to tour the world. My point is that if you are going to run your mouth and talk big, it a lot of times turns people off, especially when they don't achieve what they boast about to the press. Not reaching #1 obviously had an impact on Liam. He went from DGSS being the best album since DM and praising Lillywhite to saying DGSS was a tad rushed & they didn't have the right songs. I could care less honestly about sales and the charts. I just want their sound to evolve and if this wake up call from DGSS not going #1 is what achieves that, so be it.
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Post by KRRRRRRR on Jan 22, 2013 19:15:20 GMT -5
I ask this with all sincerity and not intending to be a prick (even though Im good at that). Why does it matter to you? The charts these days are so segmented and music on whole is fractured and all over the place. I mean this commercially. I also think this is wonderful because it forces people to go outside of the box to find something they like. Most records that reach #1 today have reached it by selling a fraction of what it would take to get a #1 in the mid to late 90s and the only shit that has staying power on the charts is garbage that appeals to all age groups (i.e. Taylor Swift). If Beady Eye reached #1, it would not stay there and would be a headline for a day or two. Music as a business is night and day compared to when a #1 mattered. You can get to #1 selling less than 100,000 copies these days if you hit a sweet spot in a release calendar when nothing else is coming out. I find most music that charts to be boring garbage aside from the occasional something that falls out of a high placement the very next week. Does Beady Eye reaching #1 affect your life positively or even at all? Do them making money from selling records (that you wont see a dime of) do anything for you? Is it like supporting a sports club that wins? These are mostly rhetorical, but if you can answer, please do. The only thing I see coming from a #1 is bigger gigs and more idiots who know the hit buying up the tickets. Do you want them to appeal to the masses, ala Coldplay? I live in NYC. I would much rather see a band I enjoy at a smaller venue than say, MSG. I also like not having to worry about tickets. Call it selfish, but the band is still going to be making a lot of money and they're certainly not struggling for coin even if it flopped. The one thing the charts affect is MONEY. They don't reflect on quality. I never got the absurdity of a fan caring about charts at all, and especially in this fanbase, unless you live in a place where they'd be more likely to tour only if it was a "hit". If you like the record, thats all that should matter. They're not going to break up if the album was a commercial flop. The only time I can see charts mattering to a fan is if the band is brand new. Beady Eye are not brand new. They have a built-in fanbase from the embers of Oasis. And the only reason they matter if they're new is to ensure their career keeps going. Even that doesnt matter much these days b/c of how easy it is for something good to go "viral" and all of that. It matters because I want to see one of my favorite bands become more successful by releasing fantastic music and the general public realizing this. Simple as that, isn't it? I don't care about ticket sales, T-shirt sales, or how many records it takes to get to number #1 or any of that jazz. I want to see Liam earn some well-deserved critical appraisal not because he was IN Oasis, or was the brother of a great song-writer, but on his own merits, on his own stomping ground, with his own songs. A #1, no matter what little it means nowadays, is still a badge of honor. Sure, Liam's "been there, done that" but never because of HIMSELF or never as a band leader (despite democracy being cited heavily amongst the band) because nearly all critical praise went to Noel. I just want Liam to be respected as a songwriter and have that success make itself apparent in a variety of ways, the most viable being chart success. I get what your're saying and thats at least an admirable reason, but chart success does not = respect, and that is more true today than its probably ever been in the history of charts. Do you respect Justin Bieber for having tons of #1s? Most music that charts high (and stays high) is mass consumption crap. Here today, gone tomorrow. The type of respect you want for Liam is better served by impressing the Pitchforks and such. I just used that as an example, as they are by no means the only outlet. They matter because they're a well known worldwide entity whose opinions are respected and cause people, music lovers and aficionados, to talk. The last thing Id want to see is Noel or Liam being "big upped" by Perez Hilton b/c they have a "hot" track. The issue with your reasoning is that to get to #1, sales matter. The only way they're going to reach #1 (and stay there) is by appealing to the same people who listen to commercial radio where all they hear are the aforementioned massive artists, the Biebers, Coldplays, and Black Eyed Peas of the world. Mouthbreathers whose taste only lies in their mouths.
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Post by KRRRRRRR on Jan 22, 2013 19:17:18 GMT -5
I could care less honestly about sales and the charts. I just want their sound to evolve and if this wake up call from DGSS not going #1 is what achieves that, so be it. I got you and Im with you. I personally think DGSS is absolute crap, so Im eager to hear how they follow it up and I want it to be good. I think aiming for chart success is a mistake though. I want the motivation for a good record to come from some place less...superficial.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 22, 2013 19:20:46 GMT -5
I could care less honestly about sales and the charts. I just want their sound to evolve and if this wake up call from DGSS not going #1 is what achieves that, so be it. I got you and Im with you. I personally think DGSS is absolute crap, so Im eager to hear how they follow it up and I want it to be good. I think aiming for chart success is a mistake though. I want the motivation for a good record to come from some place less...superficial. As much as I think Liam wants to be #1 again, I also believe he wants to achieve that by putting out a great release with fully realized songs. His passion is strong for his band. I just hope Sitek's influence helps the final product take that next leap.
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Post by gdforever on Jan 23, 2013 1:48:12 GMT -5
What the most disappointing thing about the BDI1 era for me wasn't some of the sub-par tracks (I really only *love* seven of the tracks) or the critical reception or viability of the band, but the lack of a #1. I don't think Beady Eye earned a #1 ANYWHERE, did they...? Nope. Not in ANY record charts as far as I can tell, single OR LP. Now, we all know that chart success doesn't make a great record, or that all great records earn chart success. But...it was all a bit saddening, wasn't it? 18 years in a band with eight, count 'em, eight #1 LPs, 22(3?) top ten singles with I believe nine going straight to the top...to nothing? Not even for a tabloid seller such as Oasis? Not even because it was the FIRST Ex-Oasis LP available? We all expect exciting things from BDI the second time around. Awesome. Different style, great. Experimental? Oooh, now ya've peaked my interest...BUT is this departure from the tried and tested Oasis/BDI formula going to cause them even lesser success? What do you think will contribute most heavily to the success of the LP? Vibrant, original music? A stronger promotional period from the record label/management? A bang up awesome single? Or perhaps just more world-wide recognition of the BDI name and history, due to their performance at the Olympics? Many things factor in...but most importantly, do you think an Ex-Oasis member can achieve a #1 without the "touch of Noel"? Hasn't happened yet...past confirmed, future pending... I think a catchy first single would help their chart performance. Also, didn't Beady Eye run into the Adele freight train that week and month? Plus Jessie J moved her album ahead by a week. Originally it was gonna debut the week following. I think promotion and a really strong single primarily The only thing on your list that I don't think will figure in is name recognition from the Olympics.
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Post by Bittersweet Split on Jan 23, 2013 1:58:20 GMT -5
The type of respect you want for Liam is better served by impressing the Pitchforks and such. I just used that as an example, as they are by no means the only outlet. They matter because they're a well known worldwide entity whose opinions are respected and cause people, music lovers and aficionados, to talk. Pitchfork sucks. It just talks up the bands it needs to to maintain its image. I mean seriously, Purity Rings debut? It was - very - underwhelming considering the hype and acclaim it received. If they were to gain success on it, it would be sure to gain them a few fans, and the name dropping would surely attract bigger crowds at any festival with a decent indie following. But a good review from them can mean nearly jack shit.
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Jan 23, 2013 7:03:07 GMT -5
i don'T care about it. charts are shit anyway. beady eye should not care about it anymore. there are such great bands like the black rebel motorcycle club, nick cave and the bad seeds, grinderman etc. etc. which have hardly reached charts. if they have it was long time ago and they are still around and are more interesting to me, than any of that chart bands.
as long as they are going to find a sound, which finally seperates them from Oasis and makes them happy and interesting to me, i'm happy. really liked Different Gear, Still Speeding, but i really want them to distance themselves from the past in oasis and try something different and new.
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Post by spaneli on Jan 23, 2013 9:23:30 GMT -5
No they won't.
They're a niche band. And in order for a niche band to make it to #1 they either have to come out in a very weak week, or they have to have a big single. I don't think the album will be released in a weak enough week to get to number #1, especially if it's a summer release. Yes, they ran up against Adele and Jessie J last time, but even so, there were very few weeks that year where they would have been #1 with those first week album sales. I mean it's not like they were Noel who debuted with 122k in sales and even that in a lot of weeks wouldn't have been #1. They had 66k. Secondly, if they were going to go #1, it would have been with the debut. When they had all the hype and some momentum. Instead, very few casuals bought it. I don't see how that would change. I could actually see that decreasing.
For a good chart position, so Top 3, they would need a very well received single. If they don't have a very well received first single, then I could see them charting outside the Top 5.
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Post by ruchin on Jan 23, 2013 10:43:53 GMT -5
It might, Jake Bugg got to Number with 35,000 records sold according to the NME and i think i am right in saying DGSS sold 55,000 copies? Andy said that DGSS was the biggest selling no3 for 10 years or so in the iTunes festival interview, you have to remember Adele was never going to be beaten and Jessie J, a new pop act, released her album that week to.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2013 10:49:01 GMT -5
I think it could get to number 1 but it very much depends on who else is releasing an album that week
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Post by spaneli on Jan 23, 2013 10:57:42 GMT -5
It might, Jake Bugg got to Number with 35,000 records sold according to the NME and i think i am right in saying DGSS sold 55,000 copies? Andy said that DGSS was the biggest selling no3 for 10 years or so in the iTunes festival interview, you have to remember Adele was never going to be beaten and Jessie J, a new pop act, released her album that week to. But weren't record sales down in the UK in general last year because of the Olympics? I know Jake Bugg's record was released in October, after the Olympics. But isn't October also usually a slow period because a lot of big acts are waiting closer to the holiday season to release? I don't know. I would be surprised if BDI matched their 66k debut without a "successful" single. And even if you chalk it up to, well they were facing Adele and Jessie J. I mean, if this is released during the summer, then there are going to be a lot of acts releasing albums that are bigger than BDI. As I said, you'd have to hope for a very weak week for them to chart at #1. That's assuming they match their 66k debut.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2013 11:02:16 GMT -5
probably depends whats out that week. I think DGSS was out the same week as 21 so there was no way they were getting to #1
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Post by zoso97 on Jan 23, 2013 11:28:41 GMT -5
as many have said here Josh(too busy to reply to my PM?)the charts dont matter...i'd get a thrill of seeing a Gallagher record at #1 in America for about 2 seconds then i'd see the rest of the top 40 and vomit.Beady Eye will make a tidy little sum,ppl will know the songs,and at the end of the day they'll retire to their nice homes...any more i'm an album man and the last single that meant anything to me was prob the SCYHO single in 2002...so give us a brilliant album,one that i'll still listen to 6 months after its release and i'll be happy
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Post by Rolo on Jan 23, 2013 11:37:23 GMT -5
I think with a great first single and good promotion behind it, it can sneak a No.1 definitely. DGSS was apparently the highest selling no.3 in 10 years or something? Bit unlucky Adele was huge at the time and Jessie J moved her released forward, otherwise I think it'd of got to No.1
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2013 11:40:25 GMT -5
I think it'll all depend upon a killer single (released at the right time to raise awareness for the album) and a prominent marketing push to get the fanbase out on the first few days of release. I think they have a good chance.
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Post by matt on Jan 23, 2013 12:27:14 GMT -5
Thing is, Oasis fans who were intrigued to hear what it would sound like rushed out to buy it on the first day. I certainly did, but I can't say I will be rushing to the shops for the new record. Only if it surprises us all and is critically acclaimed will Oasis fans do that.
I don't think it will get to number one personally. Doesn't mean the album will be a failure though.
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