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Post by Bruno on Jan 16, 2013 18:34:16 GMT -5
fair enough. i do see what you mean--- i have always thought that dgss IS rather long... for example i wouldn't have been heartbroken if they left off beatles and stones and soteotn .... hopefully this time liam and the boys will save stuff like that as b-sides. Totally agree Beatles & Stones and SOTEOTN are not exactly their best songs. Good no doubt but could have been avoidable.
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Post by mkoasis on Jan 16, 2013 19:53:19 GMT -5
Thanks for the info Rolo. I was really happy for you to read about your day. Too bad you didn't ask about their idea of obscure Oasis songs!
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Post by matt on Jan 16, 2013 22:03:19 GMT -5
Great info Rolo, and congratulations on winning the competition. Fans always have the best questions no doubt.
I think Liam's just being honest about the debut album. It is by no means terrible. I was impressed when it came out, but the album wore off really quickly - with Liam it probably did too. I still think they might have gone ambient and atmospheric for the new album.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Jan 17, 2013 6:38:06 GMT -5
good morning Rolo.
did PG hook you up with free gifts or anything? what is the new clothing line like?
God bless.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2013 15:25:01 GMT -5
thanks for posting this Rolo! fun to read, glad you had such a good time!! you did a GREAT job with the opportunity of asking questions and getting some interesting details, I think my mind would just go blank in that company lol love this Bubble doesn't surprise me, the lyrics have a very 'Gem' ring to them lol but somehow I'd always pictured Liam behind World Outside my Room. love that song, nice one Andy
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2013 21:27:34 GMT -5
Andy is kind of a loner, so I always assumed World outside my room was his ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2013 11:12:04 GMT -5
Andy is kind of a loner, so I always assumed World outside my room was his ;D How d'you know that?
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Post by thepicturesgeneration on Jan 18, 2013 13:10:01 GMT -5
Andy is kind of a loner, so I always assumed World outside my room was his ;D How d'you know that? take one look at andy. he weighs as much as a 16 year old, and he looks like he leaves his house twice a year.. once for beady eye duties and another for DJing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2013 13:26:50 GMT -5
take one look at andy. he weighs as much as a 16 year old, and he looks like he leaves his house twice a year.. once for beady eye duties and another for DJing. Well sure he doesn't look great but you can't judge the man on what he looks like, its a bit unfair. People on this forum who have actually met him say he's nice enough
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2013 13:46:16 GMT -5
take one look at andy. he weighs as much as a 16 year old, and he looks like he leaves his house twice a year.. once for beady eye duties and another for DJing. Well sure he doesn't look great but you can't judge the man on what he looks like, its a bit unfair. People on this forum who have actually met him say he's nice enough Indeed, he is a very nice guy..maybe looner wasn't the word, but he is by far the most calm guy of the whole band...thats why I always assumed it was his tune, cos I can't picture Gem or Liam not believing in the world outside their rooms ;D
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Post by MacaRonic on Jan 18, 2013 14:03:43 GMT -5
Thanks for the info Rolo! Glad you enjoyed yourself.
I always new 'WOMR' was Andy's song just by the lyrics. I would've guessed 'The Bubble' was Gem's too because if it was Liam's he would've let people know because it's one of the best Beady Eye songs.
By the way, the ''It's not a rock 'n' roll album'' comments are starting to worry me. I'm all for change and I like plenty albums that are not straight forward rock 'n' roll but it's sounds like Sitek could of produced the shit out of this album beyond anything within my taste. Hope I'm wrong.
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Post by andymorris on Jan 18, 2013 14:36:33 GMT -5
By the way, the ''It's not a rock 'n' roll album'' comments are starting to worry me. I'm all for change and I like plenty albums that are not straight forward rock 'n' roll but it's sounds like Sitek could of produced the shit out of this album beyond anything within my taste. Hope I'm wrong. yeah it's quite worrying that they felt they HAD to go into another direction rather than just finding a new direction or let that direction find them. Most of the time bands heading that way are heading right to break up due to a poor decision taken only because critics didn't like the previous record. I felt they sounded the best on World outside my Window. Now that was an expected song : no fuss, no overproduction, just instruments and letting the magic do the rest.
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Post by mkoasis on Jan 18, 2013 20:43:49 GMT -5
^^probably their best song IMO. And I love a lot of BDI songs.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 19, 2013 6:36:53 GMT -5
By the way, the ''It's not a rock 'n' roll album'' comments are starting to worry me. I'm all for change and I like plenty albums that are not straight forward rock 'n' roll but it's sounds like Sitek could of produced the shit out of this album beyond anything within my taste. Hope I'm wrong. yeah it's quite worrying that they felt they HAD to go into another direction rather than just finding a new direction or let that direction find them. Most of the time bands heading that way are heading right to break up due to a poor decision taken only because critics didn't like the previous record. I felt they sounded the best on World outside my Window. Now that was an expected song : no fuss, no overproduction, just instruments and letting the magic do the rest. Why is it worrying? How do you think a lot of bands find new direction, a new producer comes in with fresh ideas that influence a band in new direction. I think Gem, Andy and Jeff's tastes are quite eclectic anyway so if Liam likes it its hardly a surprise. You basically try to draw the most negative conclusion from most comments from the band. If its as different as they say it is I doubt you are going to like it.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Jan 19, 2013 7:20:25 GMT -5
it could be assumed if the album is as different as it supposedly will be then the people that liked DGSS won't like the new one, which would be kind of funny.
God bless.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2013 8:38:57 GMT -5
By the way, the ''It's not a rock 'n' roll album'' comments are starting to worry me. I'm all for change and I like plenty albums that are not straight forward rock 'n' roll but it's sounds like Sitek could of produced the shit out of this album beyond anything within my taste. Hope I'm wrong. yeah it's quite worrying that they felt they HAD to go into another direction rather than just finding a new direction or let that direction find them. Most of the time bands heading that way are heading right to break up due to a poor decision taken only because critics didn't like the previous record. I felt they sounded the best on World outside my Window. Now that was an expected song : no fuss, no overproduction, just instruments and letting the magic do the rest. *Room
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Post by andymorris on Jan 19, 2013 15:18:03 GMT -5
yeah it's quite worrying that they felt they HAD to go into another direction rather than just finding a new direction or let that direction find them. Most of the time bands heading that way are heading right to break up due to a poor decision taken only because critics didn't like the previous record. I felt they sounded the best on World outside my Window. Now that was an expected song : no fuss, no overproduction, just instruments and letting the magic do the rest. Why is it worrying? How do you think a lot of bands find new direction, a new producer comes in with fresh ideas that influence a band in new direction. I think Gem, Andy and Jeff's tastes are quite eclectic anyway so if Liam likes it its hardly a surprise. You basically try to draw the most negative conclusion from most comments from the band. If its as different as they say it is I doubt you are going to like it. It's worrying because they feel the need to convince people it's different rather than let people hear by themselves it's different. They're just trying to put into your ear that they are experimenting and all that stupid PR bullshit. If the music is that good, there's no need for all that bullshit, a spin of the tracks will do. Let's face it they're not gonna reinvent the wheel with guitars and drums and Liam. I just hope it'll be a good record, bands don't have to change to be good, they just have to be good, capture what they are and what they sound like at the moment, not what people think they should sound like. DGSS lacked something because they tried to invent themselves too quickly. So reinventing themselves again too quickly is not a good sign, although i hope i'm wrong and i hope i'll be surprised. Again the only spontaneous track, World outside my room (room !), was to me, the only real Beady Eye track from DGSS. The rest was the sound of a band trying to be something they didn't quite find. Did they find it this time : i sure hope so. Even if it's space disco rock opera.
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Post by gdforever on Jan 19, 2013 16:00:03 GMT -5
If it sounds different then what else are they going say when they talk about it? They have to say something...
Doesn't surprise me. Most bands talk about shifting direction a bit for a sophomore album. And I think BDI mayo possible even be a more dramatic case of it because they have a different evolution than any band I know of.
BDI are a weird case. Usually bands get to know each other and figure out their direction before their first album. BDI just jumped on that first record straight off the bat without taking time to decide where they wanted to go sans Noel. They didn't even take time to draft a new bass player. In the end that meant that they made an album that could have been made by Oasis in a heartbeat. There was nothing even slightly novel on it other than using piano instead guitars on BTL
Sounds to me like they have taken a bit of time to try and discover what they want BDI to sound like. The only thing that I'd be concerned about is them being pulled in a direction they don't want by management, (who are way more involved than Ignition were) but that seems a pretty thin worry at this point, and the songs being up to snuff (which is always a worry with every band)
They've chosen a producer that's out of their immediate wheelhouse but still indie rock guitar based with a creative POV. They took time with the writing. They've resisted talking the album up too much, remaining quite vague since it's still as many as 6 months away.
So far I think they are on a better track than they were this time two years ago.
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Post by rupertg on Jan 19, 2013 18:55:48 GMT -5
On their debut they had to play it safe. To make music that can easily be played live. The band wasn't going to play any Oasis songs. The band also performed every b-side live.
With their second album they have more room to play around in. Experiment. I doubt every song on the new album will be played live.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2013 19:03:12 GMT -5
The only thing that I'd be concerned about is them being pulled in a direction they don't want by management, (who are way more involved than Ignition were) Could you be a total sweetheart and tell me about their management? How controlling are they? I thought they were still with Ignition
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Post by gdforever on Jan 19, 2013 20:49:12 GMT -5
The only thing that I'd be concerned about is them being pulled in a direction they don't want by management, (who are way more involved than Ignition were) Could you be a total sweetheart and tell me about their management? How controlling are they? I thought they were still with Ignition They aren't with Ignition any more. They are with Quest. Not controlling. Influential. Things like the management being the ones that chose the producer. "“I was on a plane to New York for a best friend’s wedding thinking, ‘Who can I call?’. Then I thought of [TV On The Radio producer] Dave Sitek – who I associate with New York and great records. I sent him the demos and a link to the studio after being told he’d never leave his LA home. He gets straight back to me to say, ‘I’m there.’" The management were also the ones that stopped them going into the studio last summer and got them to write for another few months. They definitely exercise influence. Never heard of Ignition influencing anything creative in Oasis, Noel. BDI. Hopefully it's all good influence.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2013 21:44:36 GMT -5
Thanks for the info! Good to hear it wont be "rock n roll". Every single album Liam has made/worked on in his entire life was rock orientated, it's about time for some change.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2013 7:10:22 GMT -5
yeah it's quite worrying that they felt they HAD to go into another direction rather than just finding a new direction or let that direction find them. Most of the time bands heading that way are heading right to break up due to a poor decision taken only because critics didn't like the previous record. I felt they sounded the best on World outside my Window. Now that was an expected song : no fuss, no overproduction, just instruments and letting the magic do the rest. Perfectly valid comment. It's never a good sign to see a band turn their back on their first album so quickly. Dave Sitek is here now and they're experimenting.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jan 21, 2013 7:18:12 GMT -5
Why is it worrying? How do you think a lot of bands find new direction, a new producer comes in with fresh ideas that influence a band in new direction. I think Gem, Andy and Jeff's tastes are quite eclectic anyway so if Liam likes it its hardly a surprise. You basically try to draw the most negative conclusion from most comments from the band. If its as different as they say it is I doubt you are going to like it. It's worrying because they feel the need to convince people it's different rather than let people hear by themselves it's different. They're just trying to put into your ear that they are experimenting and all that stupid PR bullshit. If the music is that good, there's no need for all that bullshit, a spin of the tracks will do. Let's face it they're not gonna reinvent the wheel with guitars and drums and Liam. I just hope it'll be a good record, bands don't have to change to be good, they just have to be good, capture what they are and what they sound like at the moment, not what people think they should sound like. DGSS lacked something because they tried to invent themselves too quickly. So reinventing themselves again too quickly is not a good sign, although i hope i'm wrong and i hope i'll be surprised. Again the only spontaneous track, World outside my room (room !), was to me, the only real Beady Eye track from DGSS. The rest was the sound of a band trying to be something they didn't quite find. Did they find it this time : i sure hope so. Even if it's space disco rock opera. You just seem predisposed to say something bad. If there are people frrom magazines asking them what it sounds like (and it sounds different) what do you expect them to say? Thats your opinion on the what the music should be. You seem to like the simpler stuff so if you don't like it thats alright. It would be a pretty weird thing to imagine that the album hasn't evolved from what they started out with so you could say that any experimenting has been more natural than forced. Its not a reinvention its just another album that they say sounds a bit different.
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Post by andymorris on Jan 21, 2013 12:52:22 GMT -5
so basically simplier = bad, to you. simple can be good or bad, and produced to death or different can either be good or shit. it's not the debate, the debate is they seem to justify themselves for a compulsory move rather than let the music speak for itself. all these years and they still didn't get that over-hyping something dont work anymore when it's gallagher related.
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