redlandsman87
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Post by redlandsman87 on Dec 2, 2012 1:02:25 GMT -5
It's been mentioned before by Liam that the second record is inspired by George Harrison's "All Things Must Pass". Being the first Triple LP recorded by an artist, ATMP contained an (at the the time) unprecedented twenty-three songs which George had accumulated over the years since 1966, most of which were songs that had been rejected or withheld from the Beatles . Clocking in at one hour, five minutes and fifty-nine seconds, it was a landmark record and is one of the most recognizable and beloved of the solo Beatles records. Considered George's Magnum Opus, he'd never quite again achieve the critical acclaim and success that was earned by this record. Going #1 in seven countries and charting in the top twenty in six others, this was easily George's most successful and treasured record. His success in the charts and sales would falter over the years, with shaky sales and low impact on the charts once the 80's began, though always maintaining a strong fan base and having much success with the super-group The Traveling Wilbury's.
One of the common gripes about DGSS was the number of songs, which tapered out at thirteen. Oasis records typically help between 10-12 songs, so one more doesn't seem too terrible...some fans called for a smaller track listing the second time around, though, and some claimed a few songs dragged or were boring.
Liam also claims to have loads of songs, and most likely so, due to being in a band that consists of three unique songwriters with years of experience...but do you all think they'll have an even longer track listing, ala ATMP? It's not preposterous, considering the influence, and Liam's claims they are recording a "Life Changing Record", promising a "much grander affair too, with strings'. He's still promising the Rock 'n' Roll, though, and wanting a "Phil Spectorish" Wall of Sound.
What do you think? Will Beady Eye expand, and record a possible double (or triple!?) record? Loads of stuff would be going on...and more bang for the fans buck, too. This could be a bad choice though...an opportunity for a lot of filler or weak tracks.
Or will they stick with the Oasis tried and true formula...between ten and twelve songs? Maybe four each plus B-Sides? They each must have at least one great song put back I'm guessing, which could mean a stronger record with a more balanced track listing.
Frankly, I'd prefer the crazy triple LP haha, even if it crashed and burned I'd probably still love it...
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Post by theultimatewannabe on Dec 2, 2012 2:15:59 GMT -5
If there's to be a double or triple LP it would either denote a complete disaster or the complete exhaustion of the band's creative works accumulated over the years, which will lead to a belated disaster on the next record.
I guess it will tend to the former but even if it is not so, I don't think it would be wise for them to put out so much on a single occasion. Liam and Gem are very inconsistent songwriters, and Andy, though skilled, seems like he just can't cross the threshold of greatness after his early works on Ride. Not only does this mean an overall decline in the quality of their work but also the large amount of time that would be needed for them to create new stuff that are decent enough to follow DGSS up.
I think I'll stick to the idea of 10 to 12 songs a record. 13 songs a record is difficult for any artists to successfully execute without compromising quality.
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Post by Underneath the sky on Dec 2, 2012 5:17:51 GMT -5
10 songs hopefully. Their problem will always be too much filler, so keeping the track listing down is essential if they are going to have a good album.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2012 5:41:53 GMT -5
I think it will be a short 10/11 song album. Liam has talked a lot about learning from mistakes made with DGSS and the issue of the amount of songs has been brought up quite a bit. Seeing Noel do so well with a short and snappy 10 song album as well and it also means more opportunities to release b sides which Liam likes to do
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Post by MacaRonic on Dec 2, 2012 7:09:44 GMT -5
10 songs, 11 max. Keep it trim. DGSS is nice little album if you take the 3 weakest tracks off it. If they can create an album slightly better than DGSS I'll be happy, well, that's all I'm expecting anyway and keeping it down to the 10 best tracks they have will definitely make the album more consistent throughout.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 2, 2012 8:56:50 GMT -5
No chance of a double LP. I think Liam wants the song quality of All Things Must Pass, not the length. I personally only listen to 10-11 tracks off that album anyways. Like many of you stated before, album #2 will probably have 10-11 songs and avoid the "filler" tracks as best they can.
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Post by mkoasis on Dec 2, 2012 16:24:55 GMT -5
I'd definitely expect 10, maybe 11 tracks. Although I'd love more bsides, I dont think they'll do more than 1 per single.
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Post by manny on Dec 2, 2012 17:32:12 GMT -5
As long as they are good any quantity is good. If they are bad... I'll move along and wait for something else.
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Post by thepicturesgeneration on Dec 2, 2012 19:03:38 GMT -5
if you think beady eye are ambitious or even have enough songs for a double/triple album or vinyl...
between three songwriters, they put out one 13 song album; how do you figure that they have at least 25 that they want to record? especially with a "rock and roll" ethic, where would a triple album fit into that mindset??
we're gonna get 10- 14 songs out of them max. 4-5 b-sides. this isn't exactly a band that pulls a lot of surprise punches.
when liam says the album is inspired by ATMP, he's probably talking more about the spector-esque element rather than the sheer length. liam also talks a lot of hype, obviously.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 2, 2012 19:38:28 GMT -5
I think a quadruple album would be adequate.
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Post by alwaysnow on Dec 3, 2012 0:17:59 GMT -5
I'd love it if they would take advantage of at least the b-sides to do more experimentation. Throw a bit of electronica here, some shoegaze there. Would be amazing.
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Post by Bruno on Dec 3, 2012 2:16:07 GMT -5
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Post by gdforever on Dec 3, 2012 10:57:19 GMT -5
I think it's a safe assumption they were talking about musical influence not number of songs.
DGSS drags for several reasons for me but I don't think that the number of song was the biggest culprit. But I also feel that almost every song of DGSS oulasts it's welcome by a good 30 seconds some of them more. I think if an album is concise it can be 13 songs. And of course if the songs are all worth a regular listen.
If BDI's next 13 songs were of a much higher quality then the likes of B&S and SOTEOTN and nothing lasted longer than they had ideas I wouldn't mind having 13 songs again.
Considering their history so far though, limited though it is. I think 10 songs on an album and 2 b-sides each on the b-sides would be ideal. Because it was great getting 16 original songs in a cycle...even if a few weren't that great. And it might really help their singles.
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Post by Bellboy on Dec 3, 2012 11:29:45 GMT -5
I love ATMP man. As the OP said alot of the songs Harrison had were left over or rejected Beatles songs that he acumulated over the years. I think this is a key point to the next Beady Eye album length. I am surprised that we have not had more songs from Beady Eye as there must be songs between Liam, Gem & Andy that they have had and want to develop from over the years.
If they are writing new fresh material then expect the usual Oasis formula 10-12 songs. If however there are left over songs that they have been sitting on then a double album is defo possible I think.
Bring on the new material anyway. I'm pretty bored of DGSS now.
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Post by redlandsman87 on Dec 4, 2012 2:36:34 GMT -5
Liam has apparently been writing songs since before the days of Noel joining Oasis (as Noel has joked about occasionally) so he's gotta have a stockpile. As far as the quality...who knows? Andy has been writing since at least '88 and Gem himself beginning during the early 80's...to think they couldn't pull off a double or triple record is kind of insulting to the three artists. I'm not saying it would be good, but it could be done. Hell, The Roller stuck around in the vaults for what...a decade? Between the years of experience shared between the three and the willingness to outdo DGSS (and maybe even Noel's record), they could very easily go into a double LP direction. I doubt it, though, for the above mentioned reasons.
Whenever an artist (especially Liam and Noel!) wear their influence on their shoulders, it usually shines through quite clearly. I fully anticipate Indian influences and instruments amongst the tracks, perhaps lyrics more on the spiritual side of things and surprising production and mixing choices due to the influence of a new producer.
To say they'll match the length isn't too preposterous of a theory to throw around, but I'd prefer an even, ten track LP with amazing tracks then a stretched out sup-par twenty track LP. Experimentation would be great to see (and length always effects that) but quality and such don't always go hand in hand...
I expect a #1 though, no matter what they pull out.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Dec 4, 2012 8:33:35 GMT -5
i seriously doubt BDI do anything out of the ordinary but with their new hipster doofus producer you never know.
i just hope pics of Liam don't emerge soon with him wearing hipster doofus glasses, clothes that are way too tight and sporting a scraggly beard.
God bless.
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redlandsman87
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Post by redlandsman87 on Dec 7, 2012 2:33:45 GMT -5
They tracked 21 songs in nine days. Sitek called at 6pm the other night to say, ‘I need a brass section. Get me a brass section now’. Everyone in the building was calling to sort it for him, and we did – within two hours it was recorded.[/i]
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Post by LlAM on Dec 7, 2012 4:01:59 GMT -5
I kinda got the feeling they freaked out with DGSS and just threw as many songs in as possible.
I'm hoping for 10-11 songs that work well together.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Dec 7, 2012 6:36:35 GMT -5
I kinda got the feeling they freaked out with DGSS and just threw as many songs in as possible. I'm hoping for 10-11 songs that work well together. spite also seemed to be a key factor for DGSS and that only seems to work if you're a female. God bless. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 7, 2012 6:55:38 GMT -5
How so?
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Post by redlandsman87 on Dec 7, 2012 7:26:45 GMT -5
He's probably just drunk, per usual.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Dec 7, 2012 7:38:43 GMT -5
spite as in 'we're making an album without you asshole(Noel Gallagher), and we're gonna use songs you previously rejected'.
that seems like a pretty safe assumption when considering the relationship/dynamic between Noel and Liam through the years.
a female would've actually addressed the break up of the band in the songs themselves because they like to talk about feelings and such, maybe that would've worked.
God bless.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 7, 2012 7:48:40 GMT -5
spite as in 'we're making an album without you asshole(Noel Gallagher), and we're gonna use songs you previously rejected'. that seems like a pretty safe assumption when considering the relationship/dynamic between Noel and Liam through the years. a female would've actually addressed the break up of the band in the songs themselves because they like to talk about feelings and such, maybe that would've worked. God bless.  Not all the songs were rejected from Oasis records though as some were new and others written in Oasis but after Dig Out Your Soul was released. And we don't if the ones written in those days were left off albums for quality or sound reasons. Why wouldn't they release songs they had written? Bizarre thinking. Are you drunk? |
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Post by Let It Bleed on Dec 7, 2012 7:56:00 GMT -5
spite as in 'we're making an album without you asshole(Noel Gallagher), and we're gonna use songs you previously rejected'. that seems like a pretty safe assumption when considering the relationship/dynamic between Noel and Liam through the years. a female would've actually addressed the break up of the band in the songs themselves because they like to talk about feelings and such, maybe that would've worked. God bless. Not all the songs were rejected from Oasis records though as some were new and others written in Oasis but after Dig Out Your Soul was released. And we don't if the ones written in those days were left off albums for quality or sound reasons. Why wouldn't they release songs they had written? Bizarre thinking. Are you drunk? my theory isn't that unlikely. God bless. |
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Post by redlandsman87 on Dec 7, 2012 19:46:25 GMT -5
Drunkard.
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