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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 12, 2012 15:06:54 GMT -5
Awesome news via Twitter! Dave is an excellent choice and has always created interesting sonic landscapes on TV On The Radio albums. Full steam ahead!
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 12, 2012 15:09:15 GMT -5
Some people with think its a left field choice and would prefer George Martin or something but I think its a great pick. Good to see them taking a chance, even if it turns out to be a small one.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 12, 2012 15:15:37 GMT -5
Some people with think its a left field choice and would prefer George Martin or something but I think its a great pick. Good to see them taking a chance, even if it turns out to be a small one. My dream was for Beady Eye to work with Danger Mouse on their next album but Dave Sitek is cut from a very similar ilk and the results could be tremendous. Sounds like the band could be headed toward a more Kasabian type sound. A good thing IMO.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 12, 2012 15:18:56 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind maybe a couple of songs to have a Kasabian vibe but not all. But I agree with you its great to have something new and a little different. It will of course depend on how much he'll push them I suppose, I'm not expecting a radical departure but maybe just a different tone.
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Post by gdforever on Nov 12, 2012 16:16:01 GMT -5
I think this sounds excellent. I may be in the minority that I think that Lillywhite did pretty good job with DGSS. I like the production on DGSS...even on some of the songs that I am not keen on. (With the notable exception of SOTEOTN whose production is cringe-worthy). I don't think that it was the production that let DGSS down. That being said he let them wallow in their retro-rock obsession. I think having this producer may be pretty great and produce a noticeably different type of record to DGSS or any of the Oasis albums. I can imagine this having been someone that Andy would have pushed for. A progressive and eclectic musician with something truly unique to bring to the table. Definitely seems like he'd bring a different viewpoint into the studio. I would think definitely different than Liam and probably Gem as well. Perhaps someone for Andy to riff and collaborate with. Perhaps it may not end up being a significant departure...but with this producer I think that they will possibly have missed a trick if it's in the same spirit of retro British rock as DGSS. Exciting that they are back in the studio again. Probably have a record within the year if it all goes well. Fingers crossed. That promo'll take 8 months to a year and then we'll probably be getting whispers of Noel recording. Still enjoying having these 2 separate project despite a the back-biting going on around the fanbase from those that have genuinely forsaken one or the other Gallagher.
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Post by spaneli on Nov 12, 2012 16:39:23 GMT -5
I'm more interested in the songs personally. Nothing against Dave Sitek. I love his work with TV on the Radio, but Lillywhite and Beady Eye sounded retro because Beady Eye wanted to sound retro. The producer's job to produce the artist's vision. And depending on the producer, artist, situation, and label, the producer can sometimes lead the direction, but with a band like Beady Eye, most likely Beady Eye will pursue the sound they want. If Beady Eye want to sound retro, then they'll be retro. So for me, it's the songs. If Beady Eye wrote songs that they believe should stretch their sound, then that's should be a situation where having a producer like Dave Sitek will be great. If they're planning to do the same old retro sound, then I don't see how much more impact someone like Sitek could have, than Lillywhite. Sitek will be a great choice depending on the sound that Beady Eye want.
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Post by alwaysnow on Nov 12, 2012 16:59:09 GMT -5
I agree the band have the ultimate say in the record's overall sound.
However, as it's the only clue we have so far, one could infer that choosing him as a producer means they're going for a more modern sound. We'll have to wait and see, but the speculation game has begun.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 12, 2012 17:02:44 GMT -5
I'm more interested in the songs personally. Nothing against Dave Sitek. I love his work with TV on the Radio, but Lillywhite and Beady Eye sounded retro because Beady Eye wanted to sound retro. The producer's job to produce the artist's vision. And depending on the producer, artist, situation, and label, the producer can sometimes lead the direction, but with a band like Beady Eye, most likely Beady Eye will pursue the sound they want. If Beady Eye want to sound retro, then they'll be retro. So for me, it's the songs. If Beady Eye wrote songs that they believe should stretch their sound, then that's should be a situation where having a producer like Dave Sitek will be great. If they're planning to do the same old retro sound, then I don't see how much more impact someone like Sitek could have, than Lillywhite. Sitek will be a great choice depending on the sound that Beady Eye want. I hope you are right Spaneli and Beady Eye's songs lend themselves to the type of records Dave Sitek works on/produces or what is the point in using him in the first place? Regardless this news has me excited for broader musical horizons. We get it Liam. You love the 60s. Time to move on. The world is filled with interesting sounds.
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Post by ETrilk on Nov 12, 2012 17:15:00 GMT -5
This is great news. Love Dave Sitek. Love the work he's done with Yeah Yeah Yeah's and TV On the Radio. Any news is good news as aas I' concerned. Something to look forward to for 2013. Gonna be a mega year hopefully for the band.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2012 17:25:22 GMT -5
Thank christ Lillywhite isn't doing the album
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Post by matt on Nov 12, 2012 18:05:13 GMT -5
Steve Lillywhite is a producer who comes in and does a straightforward job - he doesn't dictate the way the music is going to go, rather he lets the bands do that themselves, so its no surprise that Beady Eye was mediocre retro rock. He's produced great albums (U2, The La's, Morrissey, etc) but he's not what we call a 'forward thinking' or 'revolutionary' type producer who will shake things up.
I do hope this Dave Sitek encourages the band to do something different. There's just no appeal in a group that is just simply Oasis Without Noel. Show us what you've got Beady Eye to be labelled a 'new band'.
Hopefully Andy's woken up from his derivative boring rock slumber and put his progressive hat back on. I really hope this works out well and they succeed. I could sort of see if they wanted to continue their retro-rock (or Oasis lite) style if they had commercial success but they didn't, and the critical success wasn't great either so they've got nothing to lose.
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Post by dontgoaway92 on Nov 12, 2012 18:13:48 GMT -5
Hope to hear something different... don't want to hear the beatles influence either. Needs to sound more up to date. U2 did something similar when it came to Achtung Baby, not saying Beady Eye need to do some sort of dance/rock album, but they need to come up with something original, otherwise they'll just get slated again.
The first album was just dire and predictable.
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Post by thedon on Nov 12, 2012 18:27:09 GMT -5
Was pretty excited when I heard about this, until I remembered that Liam is incredibly stuck in his ways when it comes to his taste and where he draws inspiration from. It's the 60's for him, that's it.
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Post by thedon on Nov 12, 2012 18:31:13 GMT -5
Actually, I reckon they typed Sitek instead of Sardy by mistake. This is too weird.
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Post by gdforever on Nov 12, 2012 18:36:34 GMT -5
I think that Dave Sardy proved with with DOYS that a producer can have input about direction beyond realizing a bands vision.
The band wanted DBTT part 2 going in until Sardy got them on board with his vision. He was pivotal to what that album sounded like. The album would have been I recognizable without him I think.
Even though that is a dramatic example, having a forward thinking producer with opinion and thoughts of their own means that they could make suggestions that the band didn't think of but like.
Every producer has a different level to which they interject themselves into a project. Plus with Andy generally being more progressive but both Liam and Gem being retro junkies...having another person present with a more progressive POV would naturally change the dynamics.
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Post by plaskins1 on Nov 12, 2012 19:41:13 GMT -5
Well, I'll put my hand up. I had never heard of Dave Sitek. But downloaded his solo debut album, Maximum Balloon, this evening & falling in love with it on 1st listen..
Don't know how much of it he can bring to Beady Eye's table, but maybe the band are trying to show Noel up after he chickened out of the AA produced album. Beady Eye might step up with a dance or groove type album with some electronic beats & synth?
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Post by spaneli on Nov 12, 2012 19:55:22 GMT -5
I think that Dave Sardy proved with with DOYS that a producer can have input about direction beyond realizing a bands vision. The band wanted DBTT part 2 going in until Sardy got them on board with his vision. He was pivotal to what that album sounded like. The album would have been I recognizable without him I think. Even though that is a dramatic example, having a forward thinking producer with opinion and thoughts of their own means that they could make suggestions that the band didn't think of but like. Every producer has a different level to which they interject themselves into a project. Plus with Andy generally being more progressive but both Liam and Gem being retro junkies...having another person present with a more progressive POV would naturally change the dynamics. Yeah Sardy is an extreme example. It requires a band or person like Noel completely trusting the producer and wanting the producer to guide a sound. To me, Liam is the key. Not Andy. Andy is Andy (someone who seems very soft spoken and appears to like to work within dynamics of a band, not dominate them) even with a producer who thinks the way he does. Liam has to buy into going with a sound that isn't retro. In the studio, Liam is going to have a lot more influence than a producer and maybe even more than Andy. This band is a collaborative effort. But Liam has a very influential opinion. Noel let that influence go a bit when Sardy came and that made the difference, Liam has to be willing to do the same.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 12, 2012 20:13:18 GMT -5
It is as people have said all about the songs at the end of the day. But producers do exert influence at times and from reading a few interviews from this fella it appears that he's no shrinking violet. Which could either mean, a difference in sound even if slight or Liam punching his lights out after a week.
I don't even mind if its retro, I like rock n roll music as long as its good but ideally it will be have a producers twist on it.
I'm just glad they didn't go for someone obvious and they must have been thinking about it for a while as they have said a number of times they know the person they want to produce it. Unless they didn't get them.
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Post by matt on Nov 12, 2012 20:50:09 GMT -5
Was pretty excited when I heard about this, until I remembered that Liam is incredibly stuck in his ways when it comes to his taste and where he draws inspiration from. It's the 60's for him, that's it. That, for me also, if the fear I've got. To be honest, Liam and Gem in particular are all stuck in their ways by being obsessed with 60s and that's it. No influences other than that. And as for Andy Bell, he's just as bad as the other two - he hasn't shown any originality in his work since Ride, and is confined to 60s rock music it seems. They're almost as bad as that band full of middle aged dads you see in your local on a Friday night, and about as relevant too. Yeah, okay, a lot of people will laugh at the talk of originality on an Oasis forum of all places, but even Noel could bring a twist to his 60s British rock influenced tunes - which were great because Noel is a brilliant songwriter, original or not. Listening to Definitely Maybe, there's a lot of shoegazing guitars going on there, he can bring in a bit of Burt Bacharach when it suits him, and even some dance as What A Life showed. By no means is he the most original songwriter, but he looks positively avant garde in comparison with Liam, Gem and Andy at the moment. Give us something new Beady Eye, or forever keep counting down the days hoping in vain that Noel is up for an Oasis reunion - which would be detrimental to all of us (heck, Noel's album was so far superior of all Oasis albums since the 90s). Therefore, the choice of Dave Sitek is encouraging. He's way more original than Dave Sardy (who isn't a great producer at all - hasn't produced one great album), and if he can get his mitts all over a Beady Eye record then we might be in for something that will hopefully prove all sceptics like myself wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2012 21:10:38 GMT -5
Sitek is an excellent choice, I really hope this signals a change in their sound.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 12, 2012 21:15:02 GMT -5
Was pretty excited when I heard about this, until I remembered that Liam is incredibly stuck in his ways when it comes to his taste and where he draws inspiration from. It's the 60's for him, that's it. That, for me also, if the fear I've got. To be honest, Liam and Gem in particular are all stuck in their ways by being obsessed with 60s and that's it. No influences other than that. And as for Andy Bell, he's just as bad as the other two - he hasn't shown any originality in his work since Ride, and is confined to 60s rock music it seems. They're almost as bad as that band full of middle aged dads you see in your local on a Friday night, and about as relevant too. Yeah, okay, a lot of people will laugh at the talk of originality on an Oasis forum of all places, but even Noel could bring a twist to his 60s British rock influenced tunes - which were great because Noel is a brilliant songwriter, original or not. Listening to Definitely Maybe, there's a lot of shoegazing guitars going on there, he can bring in a bit of Burt Bacharach when it suits him, and even some dance as What A Life showed. By no means is he the most original songwriter, but he looks positively avant garde in comparison with Liam, Gem and Andy at the moment. Give us something new Beady Eye, or forever keep counting down the days hoping in vain that Noel is up for an Oasis reunion - which would be detrimental to all of us (heck, Noel's album was so far superior of all Oasis albums since the 90s). Therefore, the choice of Dave Sitek is encouraging. He's way more original than Dave Sardy (who isn't a great producer at all - hasn't produced one great album), and if he can get his mitts all over a Beady Eye record then we might be in for something that will hopefully prove all sceptics like myself wrong. Well firstly they are middle aged dad's not 20 somethings anymore. And in fairness it wasn't all 60's unless you are naive to class all rock n roll as 60's. Bring The Light was more 50's, FLW 70's for example. Thats not to say it wasn't retro but if you don't want to hear that music don't listen to it. Its only my opinion but you don't half talk some rubbish about Noel. Giving three dubious examples as some sort of evidence of originality. Noel's latest album is not really anymore original than anything thats gone before he's still following the same rules. SOTSOG was a greater departure. There's nothing wrong with that either the fans in general have liked it. Your reunion talk isn't based in fact either. They are a group that obviously love putting out music and since even Liam said they would probably never be in a studio again, hypothetically any reunion would only be tour based. Liam loved Oasis, loved singing those songs so just because he would do a tour doesn't mean he would also give up on what he's up to now. You sound like Gordon Smart tbh.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 12, 2012 23:41:35 GMT -5
This is a big record for Beady Eye. Perhaps make or break time. They will bring everything to the table. Better songs and better production. Dave Sitek is a sign of that in my opinion. He won't sit back and let a run of the mill rock record be created. His resume is too outstanding for that. Good times ahead I'm sure.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2012 23:49:00 GMT -5
Great news this is. Looks promising so far, seems like the band knows what kind of direction they want and establishing a sound of their own. So much to come next year!
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Post by Digsy's Dinner on Nov 13, 2012 4:23:45 GMT -5
Crazy how this announcement has come almost to the day Noel has just wrapped up the HFB's thing, be funny if Noels next announcement comes the same time when BE are finishing this project. Exciting though, the long drawn out wait between Oasis albums has been totally eradicated
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Post by thedon on Nov 13, 2012 5:45:12 GMT -5
There's no way Liam likes any of the bands that Sitek's produced in the past. Baffled as to how this has come about.
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