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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 14, 2012 6:23:33 GMT -5
Coldplay's album is a case of style over substance. Nice sounds hiding average songs.
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Post by Underneath the sky on Nov 14, 2012 6:30:37 GMT -5
Four Letter Word, The Roller, Bring The Light, Wigwam, The Morning Sun. Four Letter Word is good. The Roller, I like as well, but it is a bit uninspiring (chorus lets it down). The other 3 are very average. I'm not even a massive Coldplay fan, but objectively those songs don't come close to the songs on Mylo Xyloto. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 14, 2012 6:33:04 GMT -5
Objectivity in music is pretty difficult and here its an irrelevant point. So in my opinion you are talking shite.
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Post by Underneath the sky on Nov 14, 2012 6:39:45 GMT -5
Objectivity in music is pretty difficult and here its an irrelevant point. So in my opinion you are talking shite. Disagree. If you prefer the Oasis/Beady Eye sound then I can see why you prefer DGSS. But track by track I think DGSS is a lot weaker than Mylo Xyloto, and I think the vast majority of people that have listened to both would agree. |
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Nov 14, 2012 9:24:34 GMT -5
Come on, surely "para...para...paradise" isn't "objectively" better than the songs on DGSS? It annoys me to no end and the chorus is extremely simple - like BTL-simple. And Every Teardrop (which I actually like) isn't a very interesting or original piece of songwriting either...Hurts like Heaven and Charlie Brown are really good though.
If Beady Eye did an album as good as Mylo Xyloto it would probably be a step up for them on the whole...but I'd be very dissappointed if they went in the general direction of Coldplay. Not because I hate Coldplay (I don't) but because Beady Eye are supposed to be a rock band and that's what I want them to do - more actual rock songs.
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Post by MacaRonic on Nov 14, 2012 9:32:08 GMT -5
Beady Eye are supposed to be a rock band and that's what I want them to do - more actual rock songs. Exactly, people will automatically jump the gun when a 'new' modern forward thinking producer is named but the fact is that Beady Eye will still sound like Beady Eye, i.e 60's style straight forward rock 'n' roll. Dave Sitek will merely freshen things up and maybe bring an idea or two on few tracks. |
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Post by Bittersweet Split on Nov 14, 2012 13:11:21 GMT -5
Four Letter Word, The Roller, Bring The Light, Wigwam, The Morning Sun. Four Letter Word is good. The Roller, I like as well, but it is a bit uninspiring (chorus lets it down). The other 3 are very average. I'm not even a massive Coldplay fan, but objectively those songs don't come close to the songs on Mylo Xyloto. Bring the Light and maybe Wigwam may be argueable or personal preference, but The Morning Son is far from average. |
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Post by Bellboy on Nov 14, 2012 17:41:51 GMT -5
IMO You can't prefer MX Over DGSS. Both are great albums by completley different bands and styles. Coldplay are arguably at their peak.
Good news about BE anyway and Bring on the tunes Bellboy!
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Post by space75gr on Nov 15, 2012 10:56:31 GMT -5
-great news about Dave Sitek. Thats what oasis should do in the past, to work with more "dangerous" producers.they always had the tunes but somehow they didnt had the imagination to put things forward.
-i prefer DGSS than MX.I dont like the coldplay tunes in that album.first coldplay album that i really cant hear at all.
best thing in MX , IMO, was ...Rihanna!!!
-btw, Liam wrote "wigwam" and "morning son", two tracks that in the oasis hey days will consider them as classics.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 15, 2012 12:14:58 GMT -5
-great news about Dave Sitek. Thats what oasis should do in the past, to work with more "dangerous" producers.they always had the tunes but somehow they didnt had the imagination to put things forward. -i prefer DGSS than MX.I dont like the coldplay tunes in that album.first coldplay album that i really cant hear at all. best thing in MX , IMO, was ...Rihanna!!! -btw, Liam wrote "wigwam" and "morning son", two tracks that in the oasis hey days will consider them as classics. It's a shame Noel passed on Morning Son for Soldier On to close out DOYS. Maybe it has something to do with the bad grammar found in the song. |
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Post by gdforever on Nov 15, 2012 13:38:07 GMT -5
-great news about Dave Sitek. Thats what oasis should do in the past, to work with more "dangerous" producers.they always had the tunes but somehow they didnt had the imagination to put things forward. -i prefer DGSS than MX.I dont like the coldplay tunes in that album.first coldplay album that i really cant hear at all. best thing in MX , IMO, was ...Rihanna!!! -btw, Liam wrote "wigwam" and "morning son", two tracks that in the oasis hey days will consider them as classics. It's a shame Noel passed on Morning Son for Soldier On to close out DOYS. Maybe it has something to do with the bad grammar found in the song. Can't be that. Ain't got Nothing made it.  |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 15, 2012 13:42:58 GMT -5
It's a shame Noel passed on Morning Son for Soldier On to close out DOYS. Maybe it has something to do with the bad grammar found in the song. Can't be that. Ain't got Nothing made it. Good point! Too bad Noel didn't have songs like Record Machine, Stop The Clocks, Boy With The Blues or Come On, It's Alright laying around during the DOYS sessions to select from. ;D |
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Post by gefe on Nov 15, 2012 17:11:43 GMT -5
Yeah but Liam is almost a lost cause when it comes to songwritting imo, Gem is just Ok, Andy is the best songwritter.i can only list a quick peep as his only shit song since hes part of oasis/BE What about The Nature of Reality? If that isn't shit then I don't know what is. The Beat Goes On and Kill for a Dream are very cringeworthy in places too. My point is that we will have abetter BE album as long as it has more tracks by Andy, that way he has mores chances to deliver "bad songs", i mean, if he writes four tracks we would expect three to be really good, but if he writes at least nine i think its safe to say he will deliver around 6-7 great ones, that would be an amazing album..... Lets face it, we all agree Andy is the best songwritter in that band. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 15, 2012 17:46:22 GMT -5
What about The Nature of Reality? If that isn't shit then I don't know what is. The Beat Goes On and Kill for a Dream are very cringeworthy in places too. My point is that we will have abetter BE album as long as it has more tracks by Andy, that way he has mores chances to deliver "bad songs", i mean, if he writes four tracks we would expect three to be really good, but if he writes at least nine i think its safe to say he will deliver around 6-7 great ones, that would be an amazing album..... Lets face it, we all agree Andy is the best songwritter in that band. I wouldn't discount the contributions from Gem though. He wrote the better material while in Oasis compared to Andy IMO. However, I do feel Turn Up The Sun is the best of them all with Eyeball Tickler close behind. Gem's - Hung In A Bad Place - Eyeball Tickler - A Bell Will Ring - The Quiet Ones - To Be Where There Is Life Andy's - A Quick Peep - Thank You For The Good Times - Turn Up The Sun - Keep The Dream Alive - The Nature of Reality |
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Post by Underneath the sky on Nov 15, 2012 18:11:33 GMT -5
-btw, Liam wrote "wigwam" and "morning son", two tracks that in the oasis hey days will consider them as classics.  Wigwam? I never understand why that songs get so much praise on here. It's a few clichéd verses followed by a very simple chorus. Could have been a good song with a bit more work, although you could say the same about most Liam songs. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 15, 2012 18:35:10 GMT -5
Whats wrong with simplicity? Some of the greatest songs have been very simple. Not that I'm implying Wigwam is one of the greatest songs.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 15, 2012 18:40:23 GMT -5
Whats wrong with simplicity? Some of the greatest songs have been very simple. Not that I'm implying Wigwam is one of the greatest songs. I'll give you this...Wigwam sounds tremendous live. One of their best songs for sure. My only complaint on the studio version is the intro sounds a little tinny. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 15, 2012 18:47:40 GMT -5
Yeah I can see why you would say that about the studio version. It is a monster live though, I don't think they even thought it could be that good live. I think Liam actually said that it was one they were struggling with in rehearsal.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 15, 2012 18:52:17 GMT -5
Yeah I can see why you would say that about the studio version. It is a monster live though, I don't think they even thought it could be that good live. I think Liam actually said that it was one they were struggling with in rehearsal. Wow I forgot about that Liam comment. That is true. They didn't play it during the first few gigs of the UK tour. Glad they sorted it out. When I saw them on Live On Letterman it was the highlight by far. |
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Post by Underneath the sky on Nov 15, 2012 20:00:07 GMT -5
Whats wrong with simplicity? Some of the greatest songs have been very simple. Not that I'm implying Wigwam is one of the greatest songs. Well Liam can do simple songs very well e.g. Songbird. Wigwam doesn't do anything for me though. Admittedly it is better live than on the album. |
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Post by Rolo on Nov 15, 2012 20:43:39 GMT -5
So so good  |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 15, 2012 21:08:45 GMT -5
Whats wrong with simplicity? Some of the greatest songs have been very simple. Not that I'm implying Wigwam is one of the greatest songs. Well Liam can do simple songs very well e.g. Songbird. Wigwam doesn't do anything for me though. Admittedly it is better live than on the album. Hopefully Dave Sitek will help Liam hone his writing for material presented at the recording sessions. More songs like Songbird, Boy With The Blues and Pass Me Down The Wine, less songs like Ain't Got Nothing and Better Man. |
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Post by Let It Bleed on Nov 15, 2012 21:27:40 GMT -5
i really hope Liam doesn't start wearing hipster doofus glasses and skinny jeans.
God bless.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 15, 2012 21:35:05 GMT -5
i really hope Liam doesn't start wearing hipster doofus glasses and skinny jeans. God bless. Lets pray there are no Urban Outfitters near the studio!  |
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Post by spaneli on Nov 15, 2012 23:39:33 GMT -5
To be perfectly, honest I'm just hoping for good songs. Lillywhite or not, Lillywhite didn't overly harm DGSS. The songs did. The songs have to be better, no matter who the producer is.
Wigwam is a decent song, but it's not great imo. It needed to be developed more. That's a symptom of songwriting. I only exclude the producer when it comes to fault because this has been a problem for Liam for sometime now.
Cutting down DGSS from 13 to 10 songs would have made the album better, but that doesn't mean that it would have made it overwhelmingly good. Just better. The same issues would still be there such as, songs not being fully developed and average to inconsistent songwriting. The only difference is that there would be less of that in a 10 song format of the album.
If the songs aren't there, it doesn't matter much whose producing. So while Sitek is good news just for the pure fact there's news and an album's being made, the name doesn't mean much more than that.
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Wigwam? I never understand why that songs get so much praise on here. It's a few clichéd verses followed by a very simple chorus. Could have been a good song with a bit more work, although you could say the same about most Liam songs. 
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