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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2014 8:48:37 GMT -5
Should be fun. 15-0 over the 2 legs sounds about right! Whilst I agree , and I hate united ...can't you see the irony .theyll somehow best Munich , it will be a salvaged year ,and moyes safe ...lol. I know odds say know but thsts united man asshole lucky at times .....I know you don't like moyes but I think he did best with whst he got I think Alex left at right time and the club needs a year to regroup when torre left the Yankees here joe GIRRADI. Failed to make playoffs. They screamed for his head ..,,they won the series the following year And he's still the manager the only manager since joe Torres amazing run
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Post by Let It Bleed on Apr 1, 2014 13:05:56 GMT -5
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Post by Let It Bleed on Apr 1, 2014 15:09:55 GMT -5
Bastian Schweinsteiger looks like your classic nazi.
God bless.
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Post by oasisserbia on Apr 1, 2014 16:00:28 GMT -5
Vidic!!!
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 1, 2014 16:15:48 GMT -5
It's still advantage Bayern. Away goal, innit.
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Post by matt on Apr 2, 2014 11:12:38 GMT -5
It's still advantage Bayern. Away goal, innit. Yes, but if Bayern play anything like they did last night (and chances are they will because their record against English teams at home is poor...) then Man Utd have got a massive chance. I actually thought United played really well last night - their defence was excellent, and Moyes set up his team brilliantly. Any questions that Bayern asked of them, they answered them with ease. Because United played so deep, Bayern couldn't find a way through and it was all very predictable. Even when the ball was in the final third of the Man Utd half, I didn't think they were threatened. Bayern were so fucking dull to watch, whatever happens in the second leg they won't win the cup. In fact, I think they've regressed under Guardiola - none of that blitzkrieg style attacks that we saw under Henckyes (which was taken from Dortmund's playing style). I'm going to say Madrid to win it - Ancellotti has them scoring shed loads of goals. Then there's Chelsea. And if Man Utd beat Bayern, you wouldn't put it passed them to upset other favourites. Ideally, I'd love Dortmund to win - everyone loves Dortmund, and for Klopp to win it would be great.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Apr 2, 2014 13:51:19 GMT -5
What the fuck is happening to Terry?
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Post by matt on Apr 2, 2014 16:35:27 GMT -5
Mourinho is at real risk of two successive trophyless seasons, courtesy of teams that cost gazillions of pounds. In fact, he's spent more in two years than Wenger probably has in 10.
We might have to redefine the meaning of 'Special One' - in fact, he's at real risk of constituting himself as a 'specialist in failure'.....
All those sycophants can go 'oh but he doesn't have a striker'. BullSHIT, he has an abundance of attacking quality at that club and he still can't create chances - no wonder they are not scoring goals because the problem is his default defensive tactics.
Biggest end of a bell I've ever seen - it couldn't happen to a worse bloke.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 2, 2014 16:39:31 GMT -5
Good. Chelsea should be all but knocked out. The fucking dicks.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 2, 2014 16:48:48 GMT -5
Mourinho is at real risk of two successive trophyless seasons, courtesy of teams that cost gazillions of pounds. In fact, he's spent more in two years than Wenger probably has in 10. We might have to redefine the meaning of 'Special One' - in fact, he's at real risk of constituting himself as a 'specialist in failure'..... All those sycophants can go 'oh but he doesn't have a striker'. BullSHIT, he has an abundance of attacking quality at that club and he still can't create chances - no wonder they are not scoring goals because the problem is his default defensive tactics. Biggest end of a bell I've ever seen - it couldn't happen to a worse bloke. I never understood that argument re: Chelsea's Strikers this year. It's ARSENAL who need strikers..... Chelsea have: Torres, Ba, and Eto'o. Added to the attacking flair of Hazard, Oscar, and Schurrle. By all means, question the quality and the performances, but don't fucking ever tell me that they don't have strikers or attacking firepower. Bullshit indeed. This is a serious question: Does ANYONE outside of their plastic fanbase actually like Chelsea? I have despised them since Roman's dodgy involvement beginning in 2003. They epitomize the worst aspects of the sport, season after season, and are constantly made up of despicable yobs that bitch and complain in such thuggary arrogance when things don't go their way (much moreso than any other team in the league). The day Roman walks away, taking his billions of quid with him, fucking off without a care and leaving them in tatters, eventually leading them to fall out with FFP and capitulate to administration - which was about to happen if the shady Russian oligarch didn't invest his illegal cash into a mere toy to keep himself merely entertained - will be the best day ever. What a bunch of entitled fuckwits.
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Post by matt on Apr 2, 2014 17:15:16 GMT -5
Mourinho is at real risk of two successive trophyless seasons, courtesy of teams that cost gazillions of pounds. In fact, he's spent more in two years than Wenger probably has in 10. We might have to redefine the meaning of 'Special One' - in fact, he's at real risk of constituting himself as a 'specialist in failure'..... All those sycophants can go 'oh but he doesn't have a striker'. BullSHIT, he has an abundance of attacking quality at that club and he still can't create chances - no wonder they are not scoring goals because the problem is his default defensive tactics. Biggest end of a bell I've ever seen - it couldn't happen to a worse bloke. I never understood that argument re: Chelsea's Strikers this year. It's ARSENAL who need strikers..... Chelsea have: Torres, Ba, and Eto'o. Added to the attacking flair of Hazard, Oscar, and Schurrle. By all means, question the quality and the performances, but don't fucking ever tell me that they don't have strikers or attacking firepower. Bullshit indeed. This is a serious question: Does ANYONE outside of their plastic fanbase actually like Chelsea? I have despised them since Roman's dodgy involvement beginning in 2003. They epitomize the worst aspects of the sport, season after season, and are constantly made up of despicable yobs that bitch and complain in such thuggary arrogance when things don't go their way (much moreso than any other team in the league). The day Roman walks away, taking his billions of quid with him, fucking off without a care and leaving them in tatters, eventually leading them to fall out with FFP and capitulate to administration - which was about to happen if the shady Russian oligarch didn't invest his illegal cash into a mere toy to keep himself merely entertained - will be the best day ever. What a bunch of entitled fuckwits.Nope, nobody likes them, and if anyone does, then they need their heads examined. A team that has benefited from a crooked Russian who stole from the poor. There's laughter abound with Man Utd's struggles this year, but for me at least, there's respect for a club that have produced legends down the decades. Who couldn't be charmed by the romanticism of the Busby Babes? Liverpool - we all know about their proud culture and attractive playing style, which for many nostalgic folk is a delight they have returned to the sexy football of yesteryear. Arsenal? So so prestigious and classy, Herbert Chapman's great 1930s side and that classiness has carried on. Man City are also a cultured club - always the underdog in Manchester. Arguably, they've lost a lot of what made them likeable - Maine Road, underdog status and such, but their fans are genuine football lovers and it would take a cruel man to deny them success. And for the moment, they do play attractive football and Pellegrini is one of football's most dignified men. Chelsea? I mean, they represent nothing in football. They and Mourinho are the thick-man's football club and manager. And don't even start me on those fans defending Mourinho - they've obviously been brainwashed by the media such is their naiveties (which is the media's job) that Mourinho is a victim of Chelsea's problems, not part of the problem. Well have I got news for you - Mourinho is at the centre of the problem. Never in the history of football has there ever been a club more despised in this country and on the continent. When they fluked their Champions League victory with 11 men behind the ball, you could hear the whole continent groan. To see this club destroyed, as well their arrogant manager and corrupt owner and their shitty football, would give me great pleasure. Please god make it happen.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2014 17:27:34 GMT -5
Mourinho is at real risk of two successive trophyless seasons, courtesy of teams that cost gazillions of pounds. In fact, he's spent more in two years than Wenger probably has in 10. We might have to redefine the meaning of 'Special One' - in fact, he's at real risk of constituting himself as a 'specialist in failure'..... All those sycophants can go 'oh but he doesn't have a striker'. BullSHIT, he has an abundance of attacking quality at that club and he still can't create chances - no wonder they are not scoring goals because the problem is his default defensive tactics. Biggest end of a bell I've ever seen - it couldn't happen to a worse bloke. I never understood that argument re: Chelsea's Strikers this year. It's ARSENAL who need strikers..... Chelsea have: Torres, Ba, and Eto'o. Added to the attacking flair of Hazard, Oscar, and Schurrle. By all means, question the quality and the performances, but don't fucking ever tell me that they don't have strikers or attacking firepower. Bullshit indeed. This is a serious question: Does ANYONE outside of their plastic fanbase actually like Chelsea? I have despised them since Roman's dodgy involvement beginning in 2003. They epitomize the worst aspects of the sport, season after season, and are constantly made up of despicable yobs that bitch and complain in such thuggary arrogance when things don't go their way (much moreso than any other team in the league). The day Roman walks away, taking his billions of quid with him, fucking off without a care and leaving them in tatters, eventually leading them to fall out with FFP and capitulate to administration - which was about to happen if the shady Russian oligarch didn't invest his illegal cash into a mere toy to keep himself merely entertained - will be the best day ever. What a bunch of entitled fuckwits.another socialist rant
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2014 17:29:35 GMT -5
Mourinho is at real risk of two successive trophyless seasons, courtesy of teams that cost gazillions of pounds. In fact, he's spent more in two years than Wenger probably has in 10. We might have to redefine the meaning of 'Special One' - in fact, he's at real risk of constituting himself as a 'specialist in failure'..... All those sycophants can go 'oh but he doesn't have a striker'. BullSHIT, he has an abundance of attacking quality at that club and he still can't create chances - no wonder they are not scoring goals because the problem is his default defensive tactics. Biggest end of a bell I've ever seen - it couldn't happen to a worse bloke. hasn't won anything since 2012 not as bad as 2005 and he has a couple of champions league wins more than wenger.
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Post by matt on Apr 2, 2014 18:56:48 GMT -5
Mourinho is at real risk of two successive trophyless seasons, courtesy of teams that cost gazillions of pounds. In fact, he's spent more in two years than Wenger probably has in 10. We might have to redefine the meaning of 'Special One' - in fact, he's at real risk of constituting himself as a 'specialist in failure'..... All those sycophants can go 'oh but he doesn't have a striker'. BullSHIT, he has an abundance of attacking quality at that club and he still can't create chances - no wonder they are not scoring goals because the problem is his default defensive tactics. Biggest end of a bell I've ever seen - it couldn't happen to a worse bloke. hasn't won anything since 2012 not as bad as 2005 and he has a couple of champions league wins more than wenger. Can you not even contextualise matters or are you brainwashed by the media? Wenger has been in limbo with his mind and club I'll give you that for a number of years but not without entire reason. Mourinho has never been constrained to the extent of Wenger, and Mourinho has never built a club. Mourinho would do fuck all with Arsenal in 96, he has no track record of ever developing talent at a cut price deal. Add to the fact, neutrals prefer Arsenal's style of play and if some can't appreciate Wenger's trophies more than Mourinho, then they know nothing whatsoever about football. Here's one for you - Arsene Wenger has built Arsenal into a superclub. He's frustratingly stubborn now, but when he leaves, they will be in a good position for continuing success. Compare that to when he started. Now with Chelsea, well it's all down to Abramovich. Simple as that. The fact they've most things without Mourinho says it all. As for his 'achievements', Mourinhos' title achievements over the 98 and 02 double and 04 unbeaten season? Yeah right, some achievement - my granny could have managed Chelsea to the European Cup with that squad, but alas, he got fucked over by Benitez, who, yet again, his 2005 Champions League win far outstrips anything Mourinho has ever won. And then you have Ferguson, who built his sides over a number of years to win two European Cups - and crucially, the 99 European Cup made on the backbone of United's youth academy. So whatever way you look at it, his achievements are shallow in comparison to his peers. Who knows? He might just get fucked over by Liverpool this year (hopefully, because Rodgers is a better coach than Mourinho), who of course were a bit of a joke to opposition fans last year. The like of Johan Cruyff are right, he'll never be seen as a true great - his football is dire, negative, and '8 men behind the ball at home'. Even Sir Alex had the foresight to see him as nothing special - some say the Machiavellian characteristics of the great manager led Mourinho up the wrong path by fooling him into thinking he was getting the Man Utd job - a case of keep your enemies close to Sir Alex.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 2, 2014 19:56:05 GMT -5
hasn't won anything since 2012 not as bad as 2005 and he has a couple of champions league wins more than wenger. Can you not even contextualise matters or are you brainwashed by the media? Wenger has been in limbo with his mind and club I'll give you that for a number of years but not without entire reason. Mourinho has never been constrained to the extent of Wenger, and Mourinho has never built a club. Mourinho would do fuck all with Arsenal in 96, he has no track record of ever developing talent at a cut price deal. Add to the fact, neutrals prefer Arsenal's style of play and if some can't appreciate Wenger's trophies more than Mourinho, then they know nothing whatsoever about football. Here's one for you - Arsene Wenger has built Arsenal into a superclub. He's frustratingly stubborn now, but when he leaves, they will be in a good position for continuing success. Compare that to when he started. Now with Chelsea, well it's all down to Abramovich. Simple as that. The fact they've most things without Mourinho says it all. As for his 'achievements', Mourinhos' title achievements over the 98 and 02 double and 04 unbeaten season? Yeah right, some achievement - my granny could have managed Chelsea to the European Cup with that squad, but alas, he got fucked over by Benitez, who, yet again, his 2005 Champions League win far outstrips anything Mourinho has ever won. And then you have Ferguson, who built his sides over a number of years to win two European Cups - and crucially, the 99 European Cup made on the backbone of United's youth academy. So whatever way you look at it, his achievements are shallow in comparison to his peers. Who knows? He might just get fucked over by Liverpool this year (hopefully, because Rodgers is a better coach than Mourinho), who of course were a bit of a joke to opposition fans last year. The like of Johan Cruyff are right, he'll never be seen as a true great - his football is dire, negative, and '8 men behind the ball at home'. Even Sir Alex had the foresight to see him as nothing special - some say the Machiavellian characteristics of the great manager led Mourinho up the wrong path by fooling him into thinking he was getting the Man Utd job - a case of keep your enemies close to Sir Alex. This. A thousand times this.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 5:11:51 GMT -5
talentless fucker won the champions league with Porto Whilst wenger was failing Birmingham won the league cup in 2011 Swansea in 2013 Portsmouth won the f.a cup in 2008 and Wigan in 2013
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Post by matt on Apr 3, 2014 11:36:06 GMT -5
talentless fucker won the champions league with Porto Whilst wenger was failing Birmingham won the league cup in 2011 Swansea in 2013 Portsmouth won the f.a cup in 2008 and Wigan in 2013 You've got that wrong, I can't remember calling him talentless, he's tactically a brilliant mananger - but in the vein of a true great? Get away, and that Porto side was ready built when he took charge, just like the Inter Milan squad. He did NOT build any side he has won with. Fact. Unless you are a glory hunter whose knwoledge of football is incredibly shallow, you have to admit that his achievements pale into comparison with Benitez's Champions League win (1 billion times) and Wenger's league and cup wins, and all of Ferguson's wins. Then you have managers like Bob Paisley, Brian Clough, Bill Shankly, Matt Busby, Jock Stein previous to him - and that's only in Britain - and he pales into comparison with them. Bill Shankly never won the European Cup, but he did build Liverpool into the club today. Ferguson built Man Utd to the club they are today. And, whether you like it or not, Wenger built Arsenal into the club they are today. I'm not saying he is one of the greatest managers ever - Shankly, Paisley, Busby, Clough and Ferguson are the greatest in this country, but to the neutral fan, his achievements are far more admirable than Mourinho's. I'm not here to say he will win again, but when he leaves, he will be handing over a club in a position ready to compete with the best. As for Mourinho, point remains - he's an opportunistic twat, and under real constraints, we'd see the REAL Mourinho. Heck, he's not even the best manager in the Premier League at the moment - that's Brendan Rodgers, whether or not Liverpool win the league. Quite simply, he's the idiots idea of what a true managerial great is.
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Post by matt on Apr 3, 2014 11:47:50 GMT -5
P.S. You've also got that shitty brand of football he plays. I don't think the reason we fell in love with football is the fascination of grinding out 1-0 victories.
Fuck me, if Americans think 'soccer' is boring, just wait until they watch a Mourinho game.
This and my overall opinon, is in essence, the problem of the man - opposition fans just don't like him or respect him. Yet the level of respect for his peers is unbelieveably high - he was forced to come back to England because only the media love him and he was hounded out of Italy and Spain because everyone hated him and his shitty brand of football. Of course, some fools are easily led by the English media and love him, but when the majority of this country's football fans detest the man, and the continent - well it says something about the man.
Add to the fact he's an incredibly disrespectful man towards his peers (Wenger of course), eye gouges opposing assistant managers (Vilanova in Spain), forces referees to retire inciting hatred and death threats (Anders Frisk), taps up players (Ashley Cole), and hell, just recently threatens to punch a little ball boy.
Classy man, and you have to have pretty low standards to admire him...
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 3, 2014 12:22:43 GMT -5
I want to correct you, matt: Wenger will be remembered as a great, perhaps even eclipsing Herbert Chapman as Arsenal's best ever manager. You're right, Fergie is of course placed higher than Wenger, but I would class them in the same league. Ross, do you understand the sport? If you do, you would see success within the context of the frameworks. Wenger has met expectations based on the constraints he's been under, and - as I've already mentioned - has ocassionally over achieved. Looking at just the medals won is an ignorant way of judging success. In fact, one could make the argument that keeping Arsenal competitive and in the top 4 with Champions League football, and always qualifying for the knockout round unlike ALL (let me stress that again: ALL) of their English competitors has been a much harder task than all the awards Arsenal won in his first decade. Case Example: We would classify Southampton's season as a success. Have they won a trophy? No. So by your logic, they've failed. But such logic is illogical. We didn't expect Soton to win a trophy. And therein lies the problem: People have expected Arsenal to win trophies because of the experience from 1997 - 2005, guided by the same manager. But the Arsenal team post-2006 is different due to the financial responsibilities ushered in by the stadium, and Wenger himself downplayed the chances for trophies in this time period. So why are people still expecting a league win during this time? It's not the late 90s or early 00s - the club have changed. But we're better off, and will continue to be better off for it. That, my dear friend, is also called success - it's just another, more realistic and sensible way of measuring it..... A first grader can add trophies together and come to the conclusion that Arsenal have failed. Try some contextualized analysis instead - the sport becomes much more interesting when you do.... It's not as simplified as you're trying to make it. And I'm starting to wonder if you're just being a WUM at this point.
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Post by matt on Apr 3, 2014 12:53:02 GMT -5
I want to correct you, matt: Wenger will be remembered as a great, perhaps even eclipsing Herbert Chapman as Arsenal's best ever manager. You're right, Fergie is of course placed higher than Wenger, but I would class them in the same league. Ross, do you understand the sport? If you do, you would see success within the context of the frameworks. Wenger has met expectations based on the constraints he's been under, and - as I've already mentioned - has ocassionally over achieved. Looking at just the medals won is an ignorant way of judging success. In fact, one could make the argument that keeping Arsenal competitive and in the top 4 with Champions League football, and always qualifying for the knockout round unlike ALL (let me stress that again: ALL) of their English competitors has been a much harder task than all the awards Arsenal won in his first decade. Case Example: We would classify Southampton's season as a success. Have they won a trophy? No. So by your logic, they've failed. But such logic is illogical. We didn't expect Soton to win a trophy. And therein lies the problem: People have expected Arsenal to win trophies because of the experience from 1997 - 2005, guided by the same manager. But the Arsenal team post-2006 is different due to the financial responsibilities ushered in by the stadium, and Wenger himself downplayed the chances for trophies in this time period. So why are people still expecting a league win during this time? It's not the late 90s or early 00s - the club have changed. But we're better off, and will continue to be better off for it. That, my dear friend, is also called success - it's just another, more realistic and sensible way of measuring it..... A first grader can add trophies together and come to the conclusion that Arsenal have failed. Try some contextualized analysis instead - the sport becomes much more interesting when you do.... It's not as simplified as you're trying to make it. And I'm starting to wonder if you're just being a WUM at this point. In terms of net spend since 2008: Arsenal net spend = £11.1 million. Chelsea net spend = £328.7 million. Man City net spend = £509.6 million This should really put things in perspective - there is no wonder Arsenal have not won a trophy, particularly when they are competing on all four fronts every season. I've always said, that to get Champions League qualification working this way every year is punching above your weight. Clubs that have built stadiums have often seen their clubs tumble down the tables, but Wenger has kept Arsenal treading water ever since. That shouldn't be seen as a criticism of the man, because he has ensured stability, because GET THIS, Arsenal were never a rich club in the first place. But slowly, but surely, this is all coming to fruition. There is a risk of them failing to make the Champions League this year though - if Everton get fourth, then many will be sounding out Martinez as a successor, or Man United could win the Champions League. As for Wenger, I think he's great, I don't think he's one of the greatest (yet), though in hindsight, many of these things look better with age. Bill Shankly went 7 years without a trophy and won the UEFA Cup and FA Cup in his final season. So he set them up well for the future, with of course Bob Paisley taking over and winning 3 European Cups in 8 years. So, in hindsight, if something similar happened with Arsenal that Wenger built the foundations for lasting success, then he will definitely be seen as one of the greatest. You are right about this - "Looking at just the medals won is an ignorant way of judging success". Bill Shankly didn't win as much as Mourinho, but quite obviously, nobody in their right mind thinks of Mourinho as a better manager - look at Liverpool, they are an institution now because of Shankly, compared to Chelsea who are just a crooked Russian's toy. A similar comparison can be made of Wenger to Shankly. So, just in response to Ross, to quote ex-Aberdeen manager Ebbe Skovdahl: "Stats are like miniskirts, they give you good ideas but they hide the most important thing"
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Post by tomlivesforever on Apr 3, 2014 13:48:11 GMT -5
I want to correct you, matt: Wenger will be remembered as a great, perhaps even eclipsing Herbert Chapman as Arsenal's best ever manager. You're right, Fergie is of course placed higher than Wenger, but I would class them in the same league. Ross, do you understand the sport? If you do, you would see success within the context of the frameworks. Wenger has met expectations based on the constraints he's been under, and - as I've already mentioned - has ocassionally over achieved. Looking at just the medals won is an ignorant way of judging success. In fact, one could make the argument that keeping Arsenal competitive and in the top 4 with Champions League football, and always qualifying for the knockout round unlike ALL (let me stress that again: ALL) of their English competitors has been a much harder task than all the awards Arsenal won in his first decade. Case Example: We would classify Southampton's season as a success. Have they won a trophy? No. So by your logic, they've failed. But such logic is illogical. We didn't expect Soton to win a trophy. And therein lies the problem: People have expected Arsenal to win trophies because of the experience from 1997 - 2005, guided by the same manager. But the Arsenal team post-2006 is different due to the financial responsibilities ushered in by the stadium, and Wenger himself downplayed the chances for trophies in this time period. So why are people still expecting a league win during this time? It's not the late 90s or early 00s - the club have changed. But we're better off, and will continue to be better off for it. That, my dear friend, is also called success - it's just another, more realistic and sensible way of measuring it..... A first grader can add trophies together and come to the conclusion that Arsenal have failed. Try some contextualized analysis instead - the sport becomes much more interesting when you do.... It's not as simplified as you're trying to make it. And I'm starting to wonder if you're just being a WUM at this point. In terms of net spend since 2008: Arsenal net spend = £11.1 million. Chelsea net spend = £328.7 million. Man City net spend = £509.6 million This should really put things in perspective - there is no wonder Arsenal have not won a trophy, particularly when they are competing on all four fronts every season. I've always said, that to get Champions League qualification working this way every year is punching above your weight. Clubs that have built stadiums have often seen their clubs tumble down the tables, but Wenger has kept Arsenal treading water ever since. That shouldn't be seen as a criticism of the man, because he has ensured stability, because GET THIS, Arsenal were never a rich club in the first place. But slowly, but surely, this is all coming to fruition. There is a risk of them failing to make the Champions League this year though - if Everton get fourth, then many will be sounding out Martinez as a successor, or Man United could win the Champions League. As for Wenger, I think he's great, I don't think he's one of the greatest (yet), though in hindsight, many of these things look better with age. Bill Shankly went 7 years without a trophy and won the UEFA Cup and FA Cup in his final season. So he set them up well for the future, with of course Bob Paisley taking over and winning 3 European Cups in 8 years. So, in hindsight, if something similar happened with Arsenal that Wenger built the foundations for lasting success, then he will definitely be seen as one of the greatest. You are right about this - "Looking at just the medals won is an ignorant way of judging success". Bill Shankly didn't win as much as Mourinho, but quite obviously, nobody in their right mind thinks of Mourinho as a better manager - look at Liverpool, they are an institution now because of Shankly, compared to Chelsea who are just a crooked Russian's toy. A similar comparison can be made of Wenger to Shankly. So, just in response to Ross, to quote ex-Aberdeen manager Ebbe Skovdahl: "Stats are like miniskirts, they give you good ideas but they hide the most important thing" Is the most important thing hidden by your stats the fact that you have won nothing in that time while the other two teams have? Your majority shareholder is a Russian oligarch right? One that spent 6 years in prison? Its so boring reading your ranting about money in football. Money is everywhere in football, you're hardly a grass roots based football team trying to find space in between the big boys. The truth is that if your net spend was higher over the last couple of seasons when you have actually had it sitting there you might be in the running still for the title. I wonder what you will say if Wenger was to go and then your Russian boss spends big time? Will you say how its ruined football? How you've bought any titles you subsequently win? No, of course you won't. The fact is that Arsenal may have not have had the money teams like city have but they have still had plenty. And your team is part of the monopoly that exists within the prem. Its why teams like mine (Southampton) who have all these good, young homegrown players coming through in a different era might have had a tilt at the title.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Apr 3, 2014 14:50:50 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2014 19:16:00 GMT -5
good to see arsenal fans think that birmingham, swansea, portsmouth and wigan should be winning more than them since 2005. If you set such low standards you will never fail to meet them.
As for Mourinho's teams only winning 1-0 it seems at odds with the record breaking Madrid team of 2011-12 who's 121 goals helped them to overturn Barcelona, who most regard as the greatest team of their generation,
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 3, 2014 20:17:36 GMT -5
good to see arsenal fans think that birmingham, swansea, portsmouth and wigan should be winning more than them since 2005. If you set such low standards you will never fail to meet them. As for Mourinho's teams only winning 1-0 it seems at odds with the record breaking Madrid team of 2011-12 who's 121 goals helped them to overturn Barcelona, who most regard as the greatest team of their generation, Now the question is: Do you understand how the playoff system works - which is what the knockout competitions essentially are.... Anyone can win because it relies on form of on the day. Again, Wigan beat Citeh to win the cup last season. AND Wigan knocked Citeh out this year. Again, by your illogical logic, Wigan > Citeh. My gosh, can you please stop being a WUM.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Apr 4, 2014 2:55:45 GMT -5
Chelsea 6 Arsenal 0
Chelsea 4 Spurs 0
Really boring games, especially the first one. I was so disappointed that Chelsea didn't score just the one goal.
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