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Post by RocketMan on Aug 20, 2012 8:00:21 GMT -5
me, for a start and I know some too. And I've never ever seen a casual fan that prefers Noel's voice. Only hardcore Noel's zombie prefers his voice because they think they have to because he wrote the songs...S they think it's more touching because he sings his lyris, or whatever bs. Every oasis song that Liam sang on was made for him to sing and that's why they are perfect with him, and not even close to the original when Noel plays them. for me personally. i don't really care about both voices. they both sound great on record. on the other hand noel can still pull off mostly every song LIVE, liam can't. so i prefer live gigs by noel just because it's more enjoyable to listen to. liam only sounds great live when he's in a good shape. but he won't get any better than at his perfocmance at the olympics. and even that wasn't a shiny moment, technically |
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Post by gdforever on Aug 20, 2012 8:02:22 GMT -5
Preferring Liam's isn't the same as disliking Noel's
Noel's vocal tone is pretty inoffensive, I don't actually understand actively disliking it. I can understand people preferring Liam...he's got an exceptional, if polarizing, vocal tone.
Not that everyone should love it. It's a serviceable voice...but Noel is more a package than the excellence of any one thing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2012 8:02:27 GMT -5
me, for a start and I know some too. And I've never ever seen a casual fan that prefers Noel's voice. Only hardcore Noel's zombie prefers his voice because they think they have to because he wrote the songs...S they think it's more touching because he sings his lyris, or whatever bs. Every oasis song that Liam sang on was made for him to sing and that's why they are perfect with him, and not even close to the original when Noel plays them. Dear God. We get it. You prefer Liam. |
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Post by truefaith on Aug 20, 2012 8:06:31 GMT -5
me, for a start and I know some too. And I've never ever seen a casual fan that prefers Noel's voice. Only hardcore Noel's zombie prefers his voice because they think they have to because he wrote the songs...S they think it's more touching because he sings his lyris, or whatever bs. Every oasis song that Liam sang on was made for him to sing and that's why they are perfect with him, and not even close to the original when Noel plays them. for me personally. i don't really care about both voices. they both sound great on record. on the other hand noel can still pull off mostly every song LIVE, liam can't. so i prefer live gigs by noel just because it's more enjoyable to listen to See I think the exact contrary. Said that already but Noel can pull off every song in accoustic. I've nver thouht he sounded really good ith the band behind him, always weak. Whereas Liam on good days can pull of every song he wants. And with BDI, his voice is never hugly anymore. For me to prefer Noel's voice is like waiting for Keith's song during a Stone gig. Who cares? The main attraction is Jagger. I always had the same feeling with Oasis. I never cared for Noel's song live, except for some classic like DLBIA or Masterplan. But mostly I was waiting for Liam to come back on stage. In HFB gig, of course it's different, I come to see Noel and I'm happy to see him, he sounds ok, always a little weak, but the setlist fits him. But something is really missing. |
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Post by truefaith on Aug 20, 2012 8:09:28 GMT -5
Preferring Liam's isn't the same as disliking Noel's Noel's vocal tone is pretty inoffensive, I don't actually understand actively disliking it. I can understand people preferring Liam...he's got an exceptional, if polarizing, vocal tone. Not that everyone should love it. It's a serviceable voice...but Noel is more a package than the excellence of any one thing. Nowdays Noel's voice is better, so I guet that people like it. Still don't get how you can prefer it to Liam's but I like it too. But in the 90's, it was so flat, so weak. Some "fans" didn't waited 2005 to prefer Noel's voice and when we see his voice in the 90's and Liam's voice back then, it's very difficult for me to understand it. |
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Post by RocketMan on Aug 20, 2012 8:14:02 GMT -5
for me personally. i don't really care about both voices. they both sound great on record. on the other hand noel can still pull off mostly every song LIVE, liam can't. so i prefer live gigs by noel just because it's more enjoyable to listen to See I think the exact contrary. Said that already but Noel can pull off every song in accoustic. I've nver thouht he sounded really good ith the band behind him, always weak. And with BDI, his voice is never hugly anymore. For me to prefer Noel's voice is like waiting for Keith's song during a Stone gig. Who cares? The main attraction is Jagger. I always had the same feeling with Oasis. I never cared for Noel's song live, except for some classic like DLBIA or Masterplan. But mostly I was waiting for Liam to come back on stage. In HFB gig, of course it's different, I come to see Noel and I'm happy to see him, he sounds ok, always a little weak, but the setlist fits him. But something is really missing. it was the noel sung don't look back in anger which reached the top-spot instead of liams wonderwall  as for keith richards, he has never sung on a big hit. so yeah, nobody really cares for him singing. as for noels songs on an oasis-gig, don't look back in anger has always been the highlight of an oasis-concert. wembley 2009 he let the whole crowd sing don't look back in anger on it's own. THAT was a magic moment when has this been the case the last time? wembley 2000? |
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Post by gdforever on Aug 20, 2012 8:29:51 GMT -5
Preferring Liam's isn't the same as disliking Noel's Noel's vocal tone is pretty inoffensive, I don't actually understand actively disliking it. I can understand people preferring Liam...he's got an exceptional, if polarizing, vocal tone. Not that everyone should love it. It's a serviceable voice...but Noel is more a package than the excellence of any one thing. Nowdays Noel's voice is better, so I guet that people like it. Still don't get how you can prefer it to Liam's but I like it too. But in the 90's, it was so flat, so weak. Some "fans" didn't waited 2005 to prefer Noel's voice and when we see his voice in the 90's and Liam's voice back then, it's very difficult for me to understand it. Would you stop insinuating people aren't fans just because they have a different opinion? Yeah...thanks. It's probably more a function of not being a fan of Liam's vocal tone than think that Noel was an amazin singer. Or disIiking Liam so much personally that they didn't like listening to him. I know some people who have never been a fan...always thought he sounded a bit pinched and whiny. Everyone has different tastes...some people prefer a smoother vocal tone...which just isn't Liam. As for my preferences...I love Liam's 90's voice...but it's been gone 12 years now. I don't like the nasally thing he has going on now a days though rather listen to him on record. So now...yeah...I generally prefer Noel. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Aug 20, 2012 8:53:39 GMT -5
On record there is still no doubt in my mind that Liam is a great singer. With a rested voice and not pushing to hard in the studio environment he can still produce amazing vocals. He just can't manage sustained touring, he's 40, enjoyed himself a lot in the past and has sung in a style not conducive for longevity. He still has enough if you are at the gigs but I can understand why it would disappoint people listening back to them.
If you don't like it though don't bother with it, are some of the people on here going to repeat the same points about Liam after every performance on every tour? I think a bit of acceptance is needed and then we can debate and discuss more worthwhile subjects.
Noel is a much improved singer, he is quite competent if uninspiring.
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Post by spaneli on Aug 20, 2012 8:58:26 GMT -5
On record there is still no doubt in my mind that Liam is a great singer. With a rested voice and not pushing to hard in the studio environment he can still produce amazing vocals. He just can't manage sustained touring, he's 40, enjoyed himself a lot in the past and has sung in a style not conducive for longevity. He still has enough if you are at the gigs but I can understand why it would disappoint people listening back to them. If you don't like it though don't bother with it, are some of the people on here going to repeat the same points about Liam after every performance on every tour? I think a bit of acceptance is needed and then we can debate and discuss more worthwhile subjects. Noel is a much improved singer, he is quite competent if uninspiring. I'd agree about all accepting certain points. Noel is a much improved singer. I'd say that he also has great timing. Especially on DLBIA (which I don't find his vocals to be uninspiring) . But it'd be nice if we actually debated their voices, instead of random fan "allegiances" getting in the way. In the end, just be honest about Liam and Noel. Being honest about your favorite band is in the end the mark of an actual fan. |
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Post by truefaith on Aug 20, 2012 9:11:46 GMT -5
Then debate the voice.
Noel is smooth, has no original tone, has a very generic voice. Can be whiny very easily and very flat.
He has improved from the 90's, but as far as I'm concerned he wasn't a singer at all in the 90's, he said so himself. I don't even like studio DLBIA because of that.
I thik HHTWA sounds better since a few year than the studio version as well.
He's ok on mid tempo, but can't pull off any rockers ever. So he's limited
Liam has a unique raspy tone and swagger in his singing that makes him of the best rok singer of all time. In 50's years, he still will be rememebered as one of the best.
His voice can suit ballads, mid tempo and he can pull off rockers like nobody else, and ballads two (wonderwall is one of his best singing).
Like tom said, he's 40, spent 20 years singing. It's normal he doesn't improve, it's normal his voie is less good than it used to be. Sad but normal.
It doesn't keep him from still being the best in studio. And most of HFB songs would have been much better with him on it. not seeing that is being deluted.
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Post by deasy on Aug 20, 2012 9:15:37 GMT -5
Every single thread ends up with the exact same argument. This place used to be interesting.
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Post by truefaith on Aug 20, 2012 9:15:45 GMT -5
See I think the exact contrary. Said that already but Noel can pull off every song in accoustic. I've nver thouht he sounded really good ith the band behind him, always weak. And with BDI, his voice is never hugly anymore. For me to prefer Noel's voice is like waiting for Keith's song during a Stone gig. Who cares? The main attraction is Jagger. I always had the same feeling with Oasis. I never cared for Noel's song live, except for some classic like DLBIA or Masterplan. But mostly I was waiting for Liam to come back on stage. In HFB gig, of course it's different, I come to see Noel and I'm happy to see him, he sounds ok, always a little weak, but the setlist fits him. But something is really missing. it was the noel sung don't look back in anger which reached the top-spot instead of liams wonderwall as for keith richards, he has never sung on a big hit. so yeah, nobody really cares for him singing. as for noels songs on an oasis-gig, don't look back in anger has always been the highlight of an oasis-concert. wembley 2009 he let the whole crowd sing don't look back in anger on it's own. THAT was a magic moment DLBIA is fun at gig because of the sing along. But not more than every other classic. Never been the highight of any Oasis gig for me. And justify that Noel sounds better by an example where he wasn't singing at all is kind of stupid. |
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Post by spaneli on Aug 20, 2012 9:23:40 GMT -5
Then debate the voice. Noel is smooth, has no original tone, has a very generic voice. Can be whiny very easily and very flat. He has improved from the 90's, but as far as I'm concerned he wasn't a singer at all in the 90's, he said so himself. I don't even like studio DLBIA because of that. I thik HHTWA sounds better since a few year than the studio version as well. He's ok on mid tempo, but can't pull off any rockers ever. So he's limited Liam has a unique raspy tone and swagger in his singing that makes him of the best rok singer of all time. In 50's years, he still will be rememebered as one of the best. His voice can suit ballads, mid tempo and he can pull off rockers like nobody else, and ballads two (wonderwall is one of his best singing). Like tom said, he's 40, spent 20 years singing. It's normal he doesn't improve, it's normal his voie is less good than it used to be. Sad but normal. It doesn't keep him from still being the best in studio. And most of HFB songs would have been much better with him on it. not seeing that is being deluted. I'd say that Liam is actually far more limited. When you have to keep moving up the key to help your singer's voice that's being limited. Give Liam days in the studio and some rest on the road he can pull off 2 styles: the rocker (just barely) and the ballad (which he actually does better than the rocker now). In terms of who is more limited, it's Liam. Liam couldn't do a TDOYAM or WAL type thing. Noel can. Liam could never do Falling Down (since we're talking about rockers). The range in that song is too be and require too much dynamics for his voice. Liam is far less adaptable to varying styles, which is why Noel is a greater asset for those varying styles. Noel is solid. He'll give a solid performance for anything he does. Liam has to be put in the correct situations for him to sound his best. He's not very versatile. Secondly, I'd say Liam's tone is actually very poor. Noel's tone is much better (WFTR alt version). Also Liam has no dynamics whatsoever to his voice. Liam was once a great a voice, and Noel once had a slight below average voice. But I'd say that Liam on certain days can still be above average, while Noel is also above average. Liam has a phenomenal aura around him and many times that makes up for his voice. And why must you always bring up the 90's? Debate the here and now please. |
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Post by Let It Bleed on Aug 20, 2012 9:25:42 GMT -5
Every single thread ends up with the exact same argument. This place used to be interesting. i agree. It doesn't keep him from still being the best in studio. And most of HFB songs would have been much better with him on it. Liam couldn't sing most of the songs on HFB's . i could see him singing 'Record Machine', and 'Everybody's On The Run' would be interesting but he'd really have to put in a great effort to pull that off and i don't know if he could do it these days. God bless. |
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Post by spaneli on Aug 20, 2012 9:26:24 GMT -5
it was the noel sung don't look back in anger which reached the top-spot instead of liams wonderwall as for keith richards, he has never sung on a big hit. so yeah, nobody really cares for him singing. as for noels songs on an oasis-gig, don't look back in anger has always been the highlight of an oasis-concert. wembley 2009 he let the whole crowd sing don't look back in anger on it's own. THAT was a magic moment DLBIA is fun at gig because of the sing along. But not more than every other classic. Never been the highight of any Oasis gig for me. And justify that Noel sounds better by an example where he wasn't singing at all is kind of stupid. Ummm, it's something called timing. Which if you're a good singer, you need. There is an art to knowing when to sing and when not sing. That does go toward his vocal style.  And wait.....a mass 40k plus sing-along....wait, probably one of the 3 biggest singalongs of the night has never been a highlight for you? Yeah, I'm finished debating. I can see this debate will nowhere. People cling far too much to "allegiances" to actually have a conversation. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2012 9:37:11 GMT -5
me, for a start and I know some too. And I've never ever seen a casual fan that prefers Noel's voice. Only hardcore Noel's zombie prefers his voice because they think they have to because he wrote the songs...S they think it's more touching because he sings his lyris, or whatever bs. Every oasis song that Liam sang on was made for him to sing and that's why they are perfect with him, and not even close to the original when Noel plays them. I prefer Liam's voice but I don't dislike Noel's and how anyone can prefer Liam's voice live now compared to Noel's is beyond me, have to say Liam's always sounded great on record, live I always think it sounds like he's fighting the instruments. |
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Post by truefaith on Aug 20, 2012 9:39:11 GMT -5
Then debate the voice. Noel is smooth, has no original tone, has a very generic voice. Can be whiny very easily and very flat. He has improved from the 90's, but as far as I'm concerned he wasn't a singer at all in the 90's, he said so himself. I don't even like studio DLBIA because of that. I thik HHTWA sounds better since a few year than the studio version as well. He's ok on mid tempo, but can't pull off any rockers ever. So he's limited Liam has a unique raspy tone and swagger in his singing that makes him of the best rok singer of all time. In 50's years, he still will be rememebered as one of the best. His voice can suit ballads, mid tempo and he can pull off rockers like nobody else, and ballads two (wonderwall is one of his best singing). Like tom said, he's 40, spent 20 years singing. It's normal he doesn't improve, it's normal his voie is less good than it used to be. Sad but normal. It doesn't keep him from still being the best in studio. And most of HFB songs would have been much better with him on it. not seeing that is being deluted. I'd say that Liam is actually far more limited. When you have to keep moving up the key to help your singer's voice that's being limited. Give Liam days in the studio and some rest on the road he can pull off 2 styles: the rocker (just barely) and the ballad (which he actually does better than the rocker now). In terms of who is more limited, it's Liam. Liam couldn't do a TDOYAM or WAL type thing. Noel can. Liam could never do Falling Down (since we're talking about rockers). The range in that song is too be and require too much dynamics for his voice. Liam is far less adaptable to varying styles, which is why Noel is a greater asset for those varying styles. Noel is solid. He'll give a solid performance for anything he does. Liam has to be put in the correct situations for him to sound his best. He's not very versatile. Secondly, I'd say Liam's tone is actually very poor. Noel's tone is much better (WFTR alt version). Also Liam has no dynamics whatsoever to his voice. Liam was once a great a voice, and Noel once had a slight below average voice. But I'd say that Liam on certain days can still be above average, while Noel is also above average. Liam has a phenomenal aura around him and many times that makes up for his voice. And why must you always bring up the 90's? Debate the here and now please. Why do I have to debate here and now for a start? Wen you debate Dylan's voice you debate his voie nowadays? Then since when is falling down a roker? Since when Noel can pull off rockers? He can't even pull off DO because he pushes his voice too hard and it's ugly. He can't pull off RM (not a rocker) and imitates the way Liam sings on it, same for EOTR; Ok Noel can sings faseltto on record but live he can't reach them. Call me when Noel will be able to sing Rock n roll star, MG or even CS. Being so admirative of an average voice from a guy wo says himself he's not a singer and waited to be in his late 30's to learn to sing is reall beyond me. I don't care that Liam's range is limited, his voice and style stills give me chills, a Turning with his voice is a great song. TT with Noel's voice is just so flat. And no, I've told you I was bored with Noel on stage. DLBIA wasn't an highligh like other songs, just a nice moment. It was THE higlight at HFB's gig but because there's noting better. Yeah, I'm finished debating. I can see this debate will nowhere. People cling far too much to "allegiances" to actually have a conversation. You do that very weel yourself... |
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Post by gdforever on Aug 20, 2012 9:39:35 GMT -5
Then debate the voice. Noel is smooth, has no original tone, has a very generic voice. Can be whiny very easily and very flat. He has improved from the 90's, but as far as I'm concerned he wasn't a singer at all in the 90's, he said so himself. I don't even like studio DLBIA because of that. I thik HHTWA sounds better since a few year than the studio version as well. He's ok on mid tempo, but can't pull off any rockers ever. So he's limited Liam has a unique raspy tone and swagger in his singing that makes him of the best rok singer of all time. In 50's years, he still will be rememebered as one of the best. His voice can suit ballads, mid tempo and he can pull off rockers like nobody else, and ballads two (wonderwall is one of his best singing). Like tom said, he's 40, spent 20 years singing. It's normal he doesn't improve, it's normal his voie is less good than it used to be. Sad but normal. It doesn't keep him from still being the best in studio. And most of HFB songs would have been much better with him on it. not seeing that is being deluted. A) What are you talking about? Noel doesn't have a whiny singing voice. Liam does. Listen to Stop Crying Your Heart Out as a case in point (whiniest song Oasis ever recorded) Noel sounds melancholy (which he can do very easily) Liam sounds whiny. B) We are debating current vocals Nobody is debating Noel vs Liam in the 90's. The only one that has said anything about there being a question of who was better 15 years ago was you with some vague nonsense about the theoretical opinions some random people that aren't here. C) Not everyone needs a singer to be a rocker. And I would also counter that Noel sounds pretty damn good on Freaky Teeth. You can think that Liam would sound better but he delivers it well. He's got a few smashing renditions of SOTWB. He's not nearly as good as Liam is on a good night...but to say he can never deliver them ever is an overstatement. Being worse than Liam Gallagher at a rock song hardly means you are shit. They both have limitations. Liam has reliability of vocal tone, range, and versatility...he sings a ballad or a ball-to-the-walls rock song. There is nothing in between. That is two notes...hardly the whole gammet. Noel can do things Liam can't...which is why spaneli mentioned TDOYAM and FD. Two very different styles that Liam can't do. Noel can do a ballad (I'd rather a Noel ballad). Noel can so a serviceable rocker (if not as good as Liam). And even without the falsetto Noel's vocal range is bigger and his falsetto has been getting better live as he has gotten more practice. He's much better now live than he was a year ago. His tour is getting better as time goes on...BDI started off higher but by the end there was a noticeable drop off. |
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Post by truefaith on Aug 20, 2012 9:49:00 GMT -5
Noel is whiny on a lot of songs, Carry Us all, Those Swollen Hand Blues, STC. He's painfull to hear on others, The Fame, Full on...
And it is a huge probleme that Noel can't sing rockers. ( He doesn't deliver Freeky teeth he way it should to me) because therefore he's limited in his songwritting. The guy who wrote DM can't write any real rockers aymore because he has nobody to sing them. That's why HFB is so mid tempo.
Now he scrapped the AA project. So we're stucked with Kink's rip off for the rest of our lives. And I find them boring. I ike his ballads, so it's ok, but an another album of only ballads and 60's stuff makes me sleepy already. That's why he needs Liam, lack of variety.
His gigs are a little boring two because of that.
You can think that he's happy with that, that it's a choice but it's obvious it's just not. I was watching the v festival of 2005 the other day. Noel seems to have so much fun on the rockers. He must really miss them. Never seen him having this fun with HFB.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Aug 20, 2012 9:49:22 GMT -5
Could we just have another sub forum where people can talk about there voices. Personally I don't give a fuck about it anymore and I think there are plenty more who feel the same, I like what I like and that's that.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Aug 20, 2012 9:52:03 GMT -5
Noel is whiny on a lot of songs, Carry Us all, Those Swollen Hand Blues, STC. He's painfull to hear on others, The Fame, Full on... And it is a huge probleme that Noel can't sing rockers. ( He doesn't deliver Freeky teeth he way it should to me) because therefore he's limited in his songwritting. The guy who wrote DM can't write any real rockers aymore because he has nobody to sing them. That's why HFB is so mid tempo. Now he scrapped the AA project. So we're stucked with Kink's rip off for the rest of our lives. And I find them boring. I ike his ballads, so it's ok, but an another album of only ballads and 60's stuff makes me sleepy already. That's why he needs Liam, lack of variety. His gigs are a little boring two because of that. you've said the same thing over and over. we get it, you prefer BDI over HFB's. have you considered medication? there's plenty of affordable and effective drugs on the market today. God bless. |
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Post by spaneli on Aug 20, 2012 9:53:05 GMT -5
Noel is whiny on a lot of songs, Carry Us all, Those Swollen Hand Blues, STC. He's painfull to hear on others, The Fame, Full on... And it is a huge probleme that Noel can't sing rockers. ( He doesn't deliver Freeky teeth he way it should to me) because therefore he's limited in his songwritting. The guy who wrote DM can't write any real rockers aymore because he has nobody to sing them. That's why HFB is so mid tempo. Now he scrapped the AA project. So we're stucked with Kink's rip off for the rest of our lives. And I find them boring. I ike his ballads, so it's ok, but an another album of only ballads and 60's stuff makes me sleepy already. That's why he needs Liam, lack of variety. His gigs are a little boring two because of that. you've said the same thing over and over. we get it, you prefer BDI over HFB's. have you considered medication? there's plenty of affordable and effective drugs on the market today. God bless. Writing a song helps.  |
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Post by truefaith on Aug 20, 2012 9:56:34 GMT -5
Noel is whiny on a lot of songs, Carry Us all, Those Swollen Hand Blues, STC. He's painfull to hear on others, The Fame, Full on... And it is a huge probleme that Noel can't sing rockers. ( He doesn't deliver Freeky teeth he way it should to me) because therefore he's limited in his songwritting. The guy who wrote DM can't write any real rockers aymore because he has nobody to sing them. That's why HFB is so mid tempo. Now he scrapped the AA project. So we're stucked with Kink's rip off for the rest of our lives. And I find them boring. I ike his ballads, so it's ok, but an another album of only ballads and 60's stuff makes me sleepy already. That's why he needs Liam, lack of variety. His gigs are a little boring two because of that. we get it, you prefer BDI over HFB's. have you considered medication? there's plenty of affordable and effective drugs on the market today. God bless. You ca't be serious there? You're saying that and you're the guy who post the same sentence every post? And I don't prefer BDI, I prefer Oasis to HFB, and I'm not buying this Noelmania. |
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Post by shaokahnage on Aug 20, 2012 9:59:00 GMT -5
I like Noel and Liam. They're good.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Aug 20, 2012 9:59:37 GMT -5
Noel is whiny on a lot of songs, Carry Us all, Those Swollen Hand Blues, STC. He's painfull to hear on others, The Fame, Full on... And it is a huge probleme that Noel can't sing rockers. ( He doesn't deliver Freeky teeth he way it should to me) because therefore he's limited in his songwritting. The guy who wrote DM can't write any real rockers aymore because he has nobody to sing them. That's why HFB is so mid tempo. Now he scrapped the AA project. So we're stucked with Kink's rip off for the rest of our lives. And I find them boring. I ike his ballads, so it's ok, but an another album of only ballads and 60's stuff makes me sleepy already. That's why he needs Liam, lack of variety. His gigs are a little boring two because of that. you've said the same thing over and over. we get it, you prefer BDI over HFB's. have you considered medication? there's plenty of affordable and effective drugs on the market today. God bless. Your first sentence could quite easily be reversed to apply to yourself and a few others currently in the BE section posting about voices, but here we are going over it again and again... |
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