As an attorney who has practiced some entertainment and contract law, I can't at all imagine any payments being paid to Noel regarding the live Oasis songs. Perhaps there is some UK / international law that I'm not aware of. I also have not seen the paperwork on the"PROs" but I'm not positive it applies here. What employee from the venue ran and filed a form on this issue? When would they do that? Maybe they were not Oasis fans and didn't recognize the old Oasis tunes? It's not like Liam would make it a point to do so, and who could blame him? I can't believe that every time a band anywhere launches into a cover song, the original writer gets a royalty. When you contemplate the amount of live venues (clubs, pubs, coffee shops, parks, etc) out there, you can see why. I'm guessing Noel was only joking. Either that or the venue pays a flat-fee each year anyway and Noel's people might file a claim? If i had to guess I'd say that Noel would not get a penny from the BDI set. Neither would would the guys who wrote Sons of the Stage, or Lennon / McCartney for "Across the Universe" (if it had been played, as it has been before). I'm sure Oasis never payed the "Come on Bring The Noise" guys a royalty. Either way, it's quite ridiculous. Live and let live.

It was officially released as a b-side though.In this thread we talking only for live covers without being officially released in any form.

Noel mentioned something about PRS forms.

It would be absurd for things like jukeboxes. Who is gonna keep track of how many time "strawberry Fields Forever" is played?

But for the venues that BDI will play maybe they do keep track and submit records?

i don't think bands playing other bands songs live is a big deal.

the Beatles said they used to forge the names of the songs they covered to not have to pay royalties.

if anything it's great free advertising.

on a side note, a topic that is important, my scalp's been really dry lately.

God bless.

i'm a little upset you didn't mention my dry scalp.

God bless.

i truly doubt any band who covers another persons music live has to pay (band/venue). Only if they are selling the recording in a format like iTunes, CDs etc. Then they would need the correct permission. If people did have to pay it would be one HUGE mess legally/financially.

A tribute band on the other hand I'm not sure about. I'm sure there is some contract you have to renew or something.

The band doesn't pay if it's a public performance. The venue does apparently. That is what the initial post says.

From what I can find if the venues doesn't pay their PRO dues the venue AND the band can be on the hook for the infringement though.

It could be like waitresses and their tips to a certain extent, though. They are supposed to claim them but most don't and take it as tax free income. Everyone knows it happens but no it makes a big deal about it.

It is a FACT that strictly speaking when BDI play a Noel Gallagher written tune he legally is entitled to compensation for the use of his tune. Whether he actually gets it is another matter.

I was just curious if anyone knows what artists get for stuff like that.

I think Tribute bands need to register or something don't they?

You don't, as an act, have to pay, or get permission, to play other peoples songs live.

The venue pays a general fee to play music pubicly, which has nothing to do with the artist playing or the artist who owns the rights to the music.

Noel is not paid for people playing his songs live in any way.

Noel's clearly on a windup

The facts are these - Noel DOES get money everytime a track he has written is played on a jukebox, or in any place licenced for the 'public performnace' of music, whether live or on record. And none of it goes to the record company.

Any venue, be it pub, club, arena, stadium or festival, that makes a 'public performance' of music, whether live or recorded, pays a fee to whatever collection society is relevant in whichever country.

This fee is then paid directly to the writer of the song, or to the puiblisher of the song if there is one, who then passes the agreed split onto the writer. This is why publishing companies are the biggest earners in the music business and are relatively untouched by 'illegal' downloading.

Every venue, or gig performance, has to fill in a form with the details or each song, or the jukebox company supplies details, or the company that gives shops background music playlists etc.(these are the 'PRS' forms mentioned by Noel in the original story).

The sums involved are sunstantial - a national daytime radio play in the UK will pay something like £60 to the writer(s) each time it is played.

A large festival appearance wiill generate a great deal of money this way - the collection society fee is set at a percentage of ticket sales, and is distributed to the artists dpeending on where there are on the bill in an estimation of how many people heard the tracks, so a headline set in a small tent might generate less than a lower down the bill slot on the main stage. If you appear at a decent mid point on a bill in a festival tent stage and play ten of your own songs you will generate around £500.

This applies to DJs as well as live bands - all artists have to fill in a from with artist/title label details, and at bigger shows there is often a representitive of the collection society onhand to make sure this is done.

One of my friends looks after this side of things for many major acts and makes sure they get the money they are due, and has explained it to me in great details

since the original question seems to have been answered, what about the other part of the quote where Noel declares that beady eye have his permission to play his songs.

do they require his permission to play them live? and is there any legal option open to Noel if he decided to withdraw his permission?