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Post by dannybhoy19 on Jul 14, 2012 20:00:44 GMT -5
^ Don't worry, I like threads that go a bit off topic and develop. Beats 10 pages of "yeah he sounds good" "no he sounds shit." High Horse is obviously one of the weaker Oasis releases but I don't actually mind it. It fits the flow of the album and leads into Falling Down. The problem is that Falling Down is a natural closer or precursor to the closer, but it comes in the middle of the album and is followed by 4 very average (at best) songs. TBWTL is too repetitive and drags, AGN and TNOR are shite and by the time Soldier On comes around you've long since given up on the album. Imo anyway. I don't agree that LAG should kop the blame. Yes, there contributions to the album were awful, but we also know that Noel picked TNOR over Millionaire and Four Letter Word, and The Roller and Morning Son had been doing the rounds for years. I don't buy the argument that they wouldn't fit the album. The album is totally disrupted as it is because of the huge drop in quality. I like how this has turned from a thread praising Liam's vocal improvements to slagging Andy Bell's DOYS contribution! (Get off Your)High Horse Lady was never released so,why even say that? it was only on the Album |
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Post by dannybhoy19 on Jul 14, 2012 20:08:07 GMT -5
I too appreciate some of the sounds on DOYS but they're still some pretty awful songs like high horse lady IMO with lyrics like... Get off your high horse lady, I don't need a ride tonight Get off your high horse lady, I don't need a ride tonight Lay down I hear your soul song singing, From a fire in the sky I hear your soul song singing, From a fire in the sky Rain down Rain down And of course the unforgettable ain't got nothin'... Theyn't got nothin' on me anymore Theyn't got nothin' on you I don't care what they say anymore, All I want is the truth ....... Here's a song, sing along It is quite a good album I just think about how good it COULD have been with record machine and boy with the blues along with others included yeah i don't understand, why they left off these two songs, i love the lyrics by oasis but if the song sounds great and the feel of it is good, then i don't need brilliant lyrics. "ain't got nothin" is about the lobby brawl liam had 2002 in germany, so why expect high class lyrics? he just wanted a kick ass loud rocking tune and this is just what kick ass loud rocking in my opinion. sometimes i just want to get nuts during songs, and if a songs makes me go nuts (like bring the light) than the lyrics are not as important as the fun. [/quote] Bring the Light makes You go nuts seriously? thats a bit odd I would have thought Four Letter Word which,I found very Oasis-esque |
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Post by dannybhoy19 on Jul 14, 2012 20:23:35 GMT -5
One of the reasons why Liam sounds better now is because Beady Eye has tuned down their guitars. Listen to Wigwam live and on the record, you'll hear the difference. And it's a good thing for Liam who doesn't have to scream as much. You hit the nail on the head there Comrade. What happened after the massive fracas between Noel and Liam during 2002(I think) was Liam wouldnt really bother turning up to sound checks on Tour(probably because He found it difficult to work with His Brother since the as it seems for the time being unrepairable argument happened)and hence His Voice would be strained over the Guitars. If He would have turned up instead of being a stubborn little prick then this could have easily been solved as it has proven since Beady Eye. I agree He is sounding much better but, as You say that is due to Him now co-operating and turning up to the very important sound checks to get the right balance for the Gig.Liam's voice through wear and tear and a shit load of drugs is not what it once was but, by attending sound checks He still can sing Id say it is on a par with Familiar to Millions,Standing on the Shoulders of Giants and Heathen Chemistry period Read more: live4ever.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=factsandfictionbe&thread=73394&page=4#ixzz20eL1pYjg |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jul 14, 2012 21:13:23 GMT -5
One of the reasons why Liam sounds better now is because Beady Eye has tuned down their guitars. Listen to Wigwam live and on the record, you'll hear the difference. And it's a good thing for Liam who doesn't have to scream as much. You hit the nail on the head there Comrade. What happened after the massive fracas between Noel and Liam during 2002(I think) was Liam wouldnt really bother turning up to sound checks on Tour(probably because He found it difficult to work with His Brother since the as it seems for the time being unrepairable argument happened)and hence His Voice would be strained over the Guitars. If He would have turned up instead of being a stubborn little prick then this could have easily been solved as it has proven since Beady Eye. I agree He is sounding much better but, as You say that is due to Him now co-operating and turning up to the very important sound checks to get the right balance for the Gig.Liam's voice through wear and tear and a shit load of drugs is not what it once was but, by attending sound checks He still can sing Id say it is on a par with Familiar to Millions,Standing on the Shoulders of Giants and Heathen Chemistry period Read more: live4ever.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=factsandfictionbe&thread=73394&page=4#ixzz20eL1pYjgBut he's said on this tour he hates soundchecks and while he's done a few I'm pretty sure from some of the recording he hasn't been present at a lot of them. |
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Post by dannybhoy19 on Jul 14, 2012 21:47:08 GMT -5
well in that case He isnt going to help His or the Bands cause because as much as He hates the sound checks they are vitally important to the Best possible sound from the Performance
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Post by dannybhoy19 on Jul 14, 2012 21:48:05 GMT -5
to get the Best possible sound for the Performance even
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jul 14, 2012 22:07:29 GMT -5
I don't think it has much to do with soundchecks personally, I just think he has had to change his approach singing as a whole in order to pull the songs off live. He's not the only aging singer to have done this.
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Jul 15, 2012 12:23:07 GMT -5
(Get off Your)High Horse Lady was never released so,why even say that? it was only on the Album Oh fuck off man, I think it was quite obvious what I meant. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2012 15:09:46 GMT -5
I think Liam took a lot of drugs on the DOYS tour and was drunk a lot of the time on the DBTT tour and DOYS tour, he said on Alan Carr that his voice is better now because he's not drinking anymore. There was something a while back about Noel turning the guitars up so loud that Liam had to put ear plugs in so he couldn't hear himself singing anymore. Apart from that I don't know why his vocals were so poor for years, maybe his heart wasn't in it anymore?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2012 16:51:04 GMT -5
I think between 2000- 2006 when he changed his singing style (more rough/raspy/shouty) he did a LOT of damage and since he stopped and started at least trying to sing again from the start of the DOYS tour his voice has slowly been recovering in between the breaks in the tours. I think how he's sounded with Beady Eye will be the norm for at least the next 5-10 years or so as he's not really damaging it as much anymore with a daft technique which did sound awesome in 2000 but fucked his throat up pretty quickly  |
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Post by dannybhoy19 on Jul 15, 2012 18:44:51 GMT -5
Yeah I agree I cant see His Technique changing much under Beady Eye for the time being
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Post by The Chief on Jul 16, 2012 9:37:20 GMT -5
Well there'e definitely been a discussion about his voice with the band which is good. Does it have to do with soundchecks or not, it's possible but I'm glad there seems to be more of a collaboration between Liam's capabilities now. He's not the first singer to adjust the instruments' tuning and the important thing at the end is that he delivers a good performance on stage.
On record though, he pretty much always been awesome.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2012 9:52:15 GMT -5
Well there'e definitely been a discussion about his voice with the band which is good. Does it have to do with soundchecks or not, it's possible but I'm glad there seems to be more of a collaboration between Liam's capabilities now. He's not the first singer to adjust the instruments' tuning and the important thing at the end is that he delivers a good performance on stage. On record though, he pretty much always been awesome. Yeah IMO on record Liam is still the best there is at what he does |
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Post by leak4ever on Jul 16, 2012 10:21:03 GMT -5
I think between 2000- 2006 when he changed his singing style You make it sound as if he chose to sing like shite for 6 years. He didn't choose to sound like a cross between Kermit the frog and a walrus. He sang like that because he voice was utterly fucked from all the abuse. |
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Post by The Chief on Jul 16, 2012 11:00:43 GMT -5
Tuning or not though, a mystery for me is how he got from singing Stop Crying Your Heart Out on the record to what he was doing live 2002-2004 which was just disgusting...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2012 11:23:19 GMT -5
I think between 2000- 2006 when he changed his singing style You make it sound as if he chose to sing like shite for 6 years. He didn't choose to sound like a cross between Kermit the frog and a walrus. He sang like that because he voice was utterly fucked from all the abuse. I kinda worded that wrong, he definitely changed his style for the Giants tour and then fucked his voice in the next few years using that way of singing. |
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Post by beadyeyeunofficial on Jul 16, 2012 12:43:08 GMT -5
Whatever you might think, Liam has always had a top-notch voice which would put most musicians to shame. It has a distinctive quality that is poles apart from the pathetic falsetto for which RKid has a penchant. I think it will even improve over the years, and one only needs to look at how Tom Jones has went from strength to strength recently. This is ironic, because "The Voice" encourages the autotuning of potential pop stars, and Liam would never ever stoop to that level. For a start, he is a devoted follower of the Xi Han regime whereby 23 glasses of water are drank every morning in order to cleanse the soul. Gargling puppy piss is optional, but it is suggested that it can remove sins from a previous life; in Liam's case, a gypsy once said he was a ferocious Viking warrior which explains his mercurial attitude.
See, it all makes sense.
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Post by dannybhoy19 on Jul 16, 2012 20:57:26 GMT -5
hmmm Tom Jones is a fucking Good Singer though Governor and always has been
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Post by Underneath the sky on Jul 17, 2012 7:12:03 GMT -5
You make it sound as if he chose to sing like shite for 6 years. He didn't choose to sound like a cross between Kermit the frog and a walrus. He sang like that because he voice was utterly fucked from all the abuse. I kinda worded that wrong, he definitely changed his style for the Giants tour and then fucked his voice in the next few years using that way of singing. His voice had been on a fairly steady decline since 1994 - by 2001 almost all of his vocal range had gone. I think the 2002-2006 period was more a case of his old singing style becoming impossible to maintain because of the damage to his voice. He was still shouting out songs like he was in the early days but his vocal cords couldn't handle it. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jul 17, 2012 7:15:26 GMT -5
Some of there very best gigs are from 2001. I also wouldn't always label it as 'decline' unless you believe his absolute best vocals were in 94' and everything since has been worse, which i personally don't.
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Post by truefaith on Jul 17, 2012 8:33:47 GMT -5
Some of there very best gigs are from 2001. I also wouldn't always label it as 'decline' unless you believe his absolute best vocals were in 94' and everything since has been worse, which i personally don't. Yeah I never understood how someone could think Liam sounded better on DM than on MG. His vocals were the absolute best on MG. He was amazing on BHN and BHN tour as well. He sounded still great on SOTSOG. He started to sound less good from 2002 on but mostly he had good nights and bad nights. His vocals at last bdi gigs were amazing. |
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Post by Rifles on Jul 17, 2012 9:48:17 GMT -5
You could argue his best vocals were in 94 from a range and technical standpoint. His voice sounded better after a few years just because it wasn't as high and he developed that raspiness that's just awesome. But in the early days he could sing the falsetto parts and just generally hit higher notes so there was definitely some decline along the way.
We tend to agree that his vocal peak was 96-98 as a vast majority seem to prefer his voice from then, but he already couldn't actually sing like he had just a few years prior.
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Post by truefaith on Jul 17, 2012 9:54:22 GMT -5
You could argue his best vocals were in 94 from a range and technical standpoint. His voice sounded better after a few years just because it wasn't as high and he developed that raspiness that's just awesome. But in the early days he could sing the falsetto parts and just generally hit higher notes so there was definitely some decline along the way. We tend to agree that his vocal peak was 96-98 as a vast majority seem to prefer his voice from then, but he already couldn't actually sing like he had just a few years prior. In 1995, he could sing high notes like in She's electric and had the awsome raspy tone. I prefer the raspy tone over the falsetto anyday anyway. Liam is no opera siger, his vocals were best and more mature in 1995 1998. You seem to agree. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2012 9:58:54 GMT -5
1995 was the best for me the whole of the morning glory album was awesome and check out Glastonbury of that year and earls court was in 95 as well wasn't it
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Post by Rifles on Jul 17, 2012 10:02:24 GMT -5
You could argue his best vocals were in 94 from a range and technical standpoint. His voice sounded better after a few years just because it wasn't as high and he developed that raspiness that's just awesome. But in the early days he could sing the falsetto parts and just generally hit higher notes so there was definitely some decline along the way. We tend to agree that his vocal peak was 96-98 as a vast majority seem to prefer his voice from then, but he already couldn't actually sing like he had just a few years prior. In 1995, he could sing high notes like in She's electric and had the awsome raspy tone. I prefer the raspy tone over the falsetto anyday anyway. Liam is no opera siger, his vocals were best and more mature in 1995 1998. You seem to agree. Of course. I much prefer the raspy Liam to the cleaner, more immature sounding Liam of 94-early 95. Most people do, but you can't deny the obvious signs of decline even that early if he can hit higher notes and use falsetto and then just a couple years later Noel is handling all those parts. From a technical/range standpoint his voice was not better, but from a "god damn, that's a fantastic rock and roll voice" it was much better and helped make MG one of the best albums ever. Imagine how ungodly amazing DM would be with MG-BHN era Liam singing on it instead. |
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