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Post by thomas09 on Jul 8, 2012 4:59:22 GMT -5
what was the quote Noel slated KTDA? I wasn't aware of this. On the DBTT doc Noel said Andy played him 3 demos immediately Noel wanted TUTS and KTDA as album tracks. Sure I seen an interview of whole band and Noel said it was 'cheesy' and Andy Bell just giggled.. Think it was DOYS era wouldnt really cdall that "slating"... if he didnt like it he would've never put it on the album or playewd it on that tv show ?? |
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Post by thomas09 on Jul 8, 2012 5:03:32 GMT -5
dont know which interview, but he said something like: "you know, liam can be sitting there with a guitar, playing just two chords over and over again, till someone tells him, hey, this is a nice melody..." whatever, noel is noel, i think it was probably just a joke, maybe same as when he talked about KTDA, cause wow, thats a huge song, i always sing it along. really catchy. I mean the quote about Songbird. That says nothing about Songbird being bad. Or Songbird @ all. Even if the 2 chords does refer to Songbird all that he says is that it's a nice melody...hardly a slate.  Stop trying to stir the pot. There is enough tension in the fanbase without people making things up.   think someones being a teeny bit extreme...?  not exactly slating but not very positive either: Noel Gallagher stated jokingly in an interview with Russell Brand that Liam decided to "write a song about his bird", and states the title "Song... bird" in a cave man like manner. |
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Post by Teotihuacan on Jul 8, 2012 6:01:00 GMT -5
At one point Keep The Dream Alive was pencilled in as the final track on DBTT - it was inspired by the David Essex film Stardust, and originally contained a vocal sample from the film that "was gonna end off the album" which they couldnt clear for the release so it got shuffled back to track 9.
That story was told by Noel in a pre-DBTT release interview with XFM's exposure show in mid-2005 (which is on Sound & Vision board), in which he called it a 'brilliant song.. which blew my head off the first time I heard it' , although like many other things regarding Andy his opinion might be much different if he were asked about it today.... ;-)
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Jul 8, 2012 7:57:55 GMT -5
think someones being a teeny bit extreme...? not exactly slating but not very positive either: Noel Gallagher stated jokingly in an interview with Russell Brand that Liam decided to "write a song about his bird", and states the title "Song... bird" in a cave man like manner.I don't have the full transcript but I've seen that interview plenty of times and I'm sure he then goes on to praise it. It was actually quite funny and light hearted. I like KTDA for the record, but Love Like A Bomb is complete shit, and probably the worst Liam studio vocals I've ever heard. Anyway. From 2004-2007 Liam sounded like a pissed up, tone deaf karaoke singer. His vocals were a complete embarrassment, and although he naturally sounded better at the start of the DBTT, even that was shockingly bad. The bizarre thing is that he pulled this out of the bag just before the tour started, I know obviously two songs singing in a studio and singing full gigs in front of 50,000 people is completely different, but still: DOYS wasn't brilliant but the improvement was remarkable. |
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Post by RocketMan on Jul 8, 2012 9:41:48 GMT -5
i love DBTT. it's the best output by the gallaghers in the 2000s. i like every song, the production and the feeling in those songs. very natural.
and i think the songs by andy and gem are their bests by far
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Post by gdforever on Jul 8, 2012 10:01:46 GMT -5
I mean the quote about Songbird. That says nothing about Songbird being bad. Or Songbird @ all. Even if the 2 chords does refer to Songbird all that he says is that it's a nice melody...hardly a slate. Stop trying to stir the pot. There is enough tension in the fanbase without people making things up. think someones being a teeny bit extreme...? not exactly slating but not very positive either: Noel Gallagher stated jokingly in an interview with Russell Brand that Liam decided to "write a song about his bird", and states the title "Song... bird" in a cave man like manner.Oh come on. That isn't anything about the song...it's a joke about the name. And it's pretty funny. It's more insulting to Liam than it is the song. I'm just saying that there is enough tension in the fanbase without posters like downer making up their own facts like "Noel slated Songbird" It's like reading tabloids where every write up has Noel or Liam blasting some band when their comments only have a slightly negative spin or they totally make up the quote. |
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Post by downer on Jul 8, 2012 10:20:23 GMT -5
well, i think it is you, acting like a dick, i was just meaning, that you claiming noel doesnt like KTDA means nothing, cause he talks in interviews this way about other songs and who knows, what he actualy means. the quote i remember about songbird is in the same cathegory as yours about KTDA, so what are you trying to say? you are making the tension. get a break or go away, that would be much better, cause you are making this forum a pain in the ass.
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Post by gdforever on Jul 8, 2012 10:27:35 GMT -5
well, i think it is you, acting like a dick, i was just meaning, that you claiming noel doesnt like KTDA means nothing, cause he talks in interviews this way about other songs and who knows, what he actualy means. the quote i remember about songbird is in the same cathegory as yours about KTDA, so what are you trying to say? you are making the tension. get a break or go away, that would be much better, cause you are making this forum a pain in the ass. When on earth did I claim that Noel not liking KTDA means anything? Yet more lies. Go ahead. Try and find anything that I said about KTDA that has anything to do with what Noel's opinions are. Regardless, as devils advocate, fact is calling a song cheesy isn't at all in the same category as your quote about Liam strumming chords until someone told him "that's a nice melody." One is a negative comment and the other is at it's worst neutral. |
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Post by Cast on Jul 8, 2012 11:10:04 GMT -5
KTDA is ok filler. Drags on a bit too much but I'll listen to if I'm playing DBTT. LLAB is actually one of my favorites from Liam. Its got a weak vocal take but I like the melody and it has a nice piano bit. Oasis when they do put piano usually it comes out pretty good, UTS and DD have charming piano solos.
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Post by thomas09 on Jul 8, 2012 11:37:45 GMT -5
think someones being a teeny bit extreme...? not exactly slating but not very positive either: Noel Gallagher stated jokingly in an interview with Russell Brand that Liam decided to "write a song about his bird", and states the title "Song... bird" in a cave man like manner.Oh come on. That isn't anything about the song...it's a joke about the name. And it's pretty funny. It's more insulting to Liam than it is the song. I know, I don't think it's slating the song either. Just posted it 'cos maybe that's the quote that downer was referring to |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2012 12:46:40 GMT -5
Wouldn't agree with your list, but I do prefer Liam/Gem/Andy penned songs as opposed to Noel penned tunes on the last 2 albums. I thought it was as clear as day those three fuckers ruined the final Oasis album with their 'contributions'. Noel or die, friend. Noel or die. |
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Post by thomas09 on Jul 8, 2012 13:34:30 GMT -5
Wouldn't agree with your list, but I do prefer Liam/Gem/Andy penned songs as opposed to Noel penned tunes on the last 2 albums. I thought it was as clear as day those three fuckers ruined the final Oasis album with their 'contributions'. Noel or die, friend. Noel or die. High Horse Lady ruins DOYS for me. Actually, ruin is too strong a word, but it does let it down a good bit.. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2012 13:41:31 GMT -5
Wouldn't agree with your list, but I do prefer Liam/Gem/Andy penned songs as opposed to Noel penned tunes on the last 2 albums. I thought it was as clear as day those three fuckers ruined the final Oasis album with their 'contributions'. Noel or die, friend. Noel or die. |
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Post by GIMH on Jul 8, 2012 15:50:28 GMT -5
Wouldn't agree with your list, but I do prefer Liam/Gem/Andy penned songs as opposed to Noel penned tunes on the last 2 albums. I thought it was as clear as day those three fuckers ruined the final Oasis album with their 'contributions'. Noel or die, friend. Noel or die. For me, that album contains six excellent Noel tracks, an outstanding Liam tune (IOT) that is my favourite on the album, and an absolute belter from Gem. The other two Liam tunes are, IMO, decent while HHL and TNOR are among the weaker songs Oasis ever put on an album. Although that's still above the listenable benchmark for a fanboy like myself. It was clear Noel was peaking again but I also felt Liam was hitting new highs. I love Wigwam & Morning Son, and tbh most of the stuff he's done in BDI, but I do think Liam's potential as a songwriter may never quite be reached if he doesn't make anymore new music with his big bro. Wigwam under Noel's supervision would have been even better than it wound up being. Not sure if I had a point, started rambling tbh. |
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Jul 8, 2012 16:48:08 GMT -5
^ Don't worry, I like threads that go a bit off topic and develop. Beats 10 pages of "yeah he sounds good" "no he sounds shit."
High Horse is obviously one of the weaker Oasis releases but I don't actually mind it. It fits the flow of the album and leads into Falling Down.
The problem is that Falling Down is a natural closer or precursor to the closer, but it comes in the middle of the album and is followed by 4 very average (at best) songs. TBWTL is too repetitive and drags, AGN and TNOR are shite and by the time Soldier On comes around you've long since given up on the album. Imo anyway.
I don't agree that LAG should kop the blame. Yes, there contributions to the album were awful, but we also know that Noel picked TNOR over Millionaire and Four Letter Word, and The Roller and Morning Son had been doing the rounds for years. I don't buy the argument that they wouldn't fit the album. The album is totally disrupted as it is because of the huge drop in quality.
I like how this has turned from a thread praising Liam's vocal improvements to slagging Andy Bell's DOYS contribution!
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Post by downer on Jul 8, 2012 17:33:25 GMT -5
great last two posts, i would not have said it better. it is a shame, that they (LAG) had not came up with better songs for the last record (except for Im out of time), so it a bit overshadows their great contribution to DBTT, but still, if Noel was the one who has the last word what to include and what not, he should take the blame also, while on top of it he has not contributed with anything better... in the light of what HFB and BDI records came up with it is kinda shocking, Record machine, If i had a gun, Four letter word, Roller, Morning son (and even that old and boring stop the clocks) were around by the time of recording DOYS, so why the fuck did they do High horse lady or Waiting for the rapture? that would be a magical mystery forever.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Jul 8, 2012 18:14:49 GMT -5
Record Machine was recorded but Liam left the sessions to get married and the vocals were never done.
WFTR was class by the way.
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Post by rupertg on Jul 8, 2012 19:56:51 GMT -5
Most people don't realize Andy, Gem, Liam come up with more than 1 or 2 songs per album session. It is Noel's decision to use which songs for album tracks. You can say all you want about Noel wanting Little James on SOTSOG but it open doors for Liam as a songwriter.
Who knows if Noel was keeping songs back. Even if he was he would never admit it.
Gem wasn't going to argue with Noel about The Roller. The fact it was a single meant Gem believed in it to pursue it.
Liam had Morning Son even though Soldier On was used. Another band had to point out that song even existed in the first place.
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Post by leak4ever on Jul 11, 2012 18:08:42 GMT -5
Liam sounds like an utter twat in the 2006 video. It's not even singing, sounds more like someone whining and whinging.
If I paid that money to see them and Liam sounded like that, I'd run on stage and push him over a la Noel
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Post by The Chief on Jul 14, 2012 10:34:27 GMT -5
One of the reasons why Liam sounds better now is because Beady Eye has tuned down their guitars. Listen to Wigwam live and on the record, you'll hear the difference.
And it's a good thing for Liam who doesn't have to scream as much.
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Post by truefaith on Jul 14, 2012 13:19:13 GMT -5
Record Machine was recorded but Liam left the sessions to get married and the vocals were never done. WFTR was class by the way. Said that before, but Oasis had enough money to scedule another reccording session if they wanted. That's not a reason. |
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Jul 14, 2012 16:23:39 GMT -5
^ Don't worry, I like threads that go a bit off topic and develop. Beats 10 pages of "yeah he sounds good" "no he sounds shit." High Horse is obviously one of the weaker Oasis releases but I don't actually mind it. It fits the flow of the album and leads into Falling Down. The problem is that Falling Down is a natural closer or precursor to the closer, but it comes in the middle of the album and is followed by 4 very average (at best) songs. TBWTL is too repetitive and drags, AGN and TNOR are shite and by the time Soldier On comes around you've long since given up on the album. Imo anyway. I don't agree that LAG should kop the blame. Yes, there contributions to the album were awful, but we also know that Noel picked TNOR over Millionaire and Four Letter Word, and The Roller and Morning Son had been doing the rounds for years. I don't buy the argument that they wouldn't fit the album. The album is totally disrupted as it is because of the huge drop in quality. I like how this has turned from a thread praising Liam's vocal improvements to slagging Andy Bell's DOYS contribution! i really think, that there were no weak tracks on Doys. i really love the album as a whole. Noel get's my respect for trying something different with "high horse", cause it really fits to the psychedelic flow and i was really bored of these balladesque anthems like stop crying or let there be love. and "nature of reality" was great! oasis was never this close to blues before and i really liked it, with songs like this one they really got distance from pop and went to experimental rock / psychedelic stuff, where the braver bands like BRMC or Black Angels are. Would have loved if Oasis would have gone deeper into this hard psychedelic route, cause they already had their big singalong anthems, so why not trying new, before getting boring on the old tracks. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2012 17:21:17 GMT -5
^ Don't worry, I like threads that go a bit off topic and develop. Beats 10 pages of "yeah he sounds good" "no he sounds shit." High Horse is obviously one of the weaker Oasis releases but I don't actually mind it. It fits the flow of the album and leads into Falling Down. The problem is that Falling Down is a natural closer or precursor to the closer, but it comes in the middle of the album and is followed by 4 very average (at best) songs. TBWTL is too repetitive and drags, AGN and TNOR are shite and by the time Soldier On comes around you've long since given up on the album. Imo anyway. I don't agree that LAG should kop the blame. Yes, there contributions to the album were awful, but we also know that Noel picked TNOR over Millionaire and Four Letter Word, and The Roller and Morning Son had been doing the rounds for years. I don't buy the argument that they wouldn't fit the album. The album is totally disrupted as it is because of the huge drop in quality. I like how this has turned from a thread praising Liam's vocal improvements to slagging Andy Bell's DOYS contribution! i really think, that there were no weak tracks on Doys. i really love the album as a whole. Noel get's my respect for trying something different with "high horse", cause it really fits to the psychedelic flow and i was really bored of these balladesque anthems like stop crying or let there be love. and "nature of reality" was great! oasis was never this close to blues before and i really liked it, with songs like this one they really got distance from pop and went to experimental rock / psychedelic stuff, where the braver bands like BRMC or Black Angels are. Would have loved if Oasis would have gone deeper into this hard psychedelic route, cause they already had their big singalong anthems, so why not trying new, before getting boring on the old tracks. I too appreciate some of the sounds on DOYS but they're still some pretty awful songs like high horse lady IMO with lyrics like... Get off your high horse lady, I don't need a ride tonight Get off your high horse lady, I don't need a ride tonight Lay down I hear your soul song singing, From a fire in the sky I hear your soul song singing, From a fire in the sky Rain down Rain down And of course the unforgettable ain't got nothin'... Theyn't got nothin' on me anymore Theyn't got nothin' on you I don't care what they say anymore, All I want is the truth ....... Here's a song, sing along It is quite a good album I just think about how good it COULD have been with record machine and boy with the blues along with others included |
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Jul 14, 2012 17:29:49 GMT -5
I too appreciate some of the sounds on DOYS but they're still some pretty awful songs like high horse lady IMO with lyrics like...
Get off your high horse lady,
I don't need a ride tonight
Get off your high horse lady,
I don't need a ride tonight
Lay down
I hear your soul song singing,
From a fire in the sky
I hear your soul song singing,
From a fire in the sky
Rain down
Rain down
And of course the unforgettable ain't got nothin'...
Theyn't got nothin' on me anymore
Theyn't got nothin' on you
I don't care what they say anymore,
All I want is the truth
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Here's a song, sing along
It is quite a good album I just think about how good it COULD have been with record machine and boy with the blues along with others included
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yeah i don't understand, why they left off these two songs, i love the lyrics by oasis but if the song sounds great and the feel of it is good, then i don't need brilliant lyrics. "ain't got nothin" is about the lobby brawl liam had 2002 in germany, so why expect high class lyrics? he just wanted a kick ass loud rocking tune and this is just what kick ass loud rocking in my opinion. sometimes i just want to get nuts during songs, and if a songs makes me go nuts (like bring the light) than the lyrics are not as important as the fun.
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Post by gefe on Jul 14, 2012 19:12:40 GMT -5
GOYHHL wouldve been perfect for AA to work on it, Devendra's remix is pretty cool, better than the album version IMO
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