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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2012 17:56:41 GMT -5
Once again, I never said someone shouldn't have the right to buy a football team. I believe in capitalism. In the CD:UK 2002 interview (it's on youtube), Noel said that he'd be a participant on the X Factor if he was in the same situation as the contestants, but he said he "wouldn't call it music." Same concept here: They have the right to buy their success, but just don't call it earned. what about when a player has been trained at a smaller team since he was a kid and then just as he breaks into the first team a club like arsenal buy them they have not earned that talent. Oxlade-Chamberlain & Aaron Ramsey spring to mind.... |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 19, 2012 17:57:30 GMT -5
This "Chelsea didn't deserve it" is utter bull, Bayern had dozens of chances and didn't take them. Chelsea exploited this. Just like Athletico in the Europa League last week, just like Sunderland against Manchester City in January. To win the CL you must beat a whole assortment of teams, Chelsea did that. They won. Doesn't matter how, they won. Right, Bayern have themselves to blame as they should have put Chelsea well out of sight well before the end of 90 minutes, and could very well have wrapped it up within 5 minutes of extra time, too. But this highlights, further, why playoffs are bullshit. There's no denying Chelsea got lucky. There's no denying Chelsea didn't deserve it. The playoff system meant that Chelsea were able to ride their luck to win the competition. Luck and performance on the day matter the most in playoffs, instead of fairly deciding who is the better team. How many conversations do you have about the Premiership table where people say: God, it was such an injustice that we finished 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th....18th, 19th, 20th? Hardly ever, if at all. Why? Because the league table, decided over 38 games, aggregates those places, and comes up with a fair placement. Playoffs do not. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2012 18:03:16 GMT -5
This "Chelsea didn't deserve it" is utter bull, Bayern had dozens of chances and didn't take them. Chelsea exploited this. Just like Athletico in the Europa League last week, just like Sunderland against Manchester City in January. To win the CL you must beat a whole assortment of teams, Chelsea did that. They won. Doesn't matter how, they won. Right, Bayern have themselves to blame as they should have put Chelsea well out of sight well before the end of 90 minutes, and could very well have wrapped it up within 5 minutes of extra time, too. But this highlights, further, why playoffs are bullshit. There's no denying Chelsea got lucky. There's no denying Chelsea didn't deserve it. The playoff system meant that Chelsea were able to ride their luck to win the competition. Luck and performance on the day matter the most in playoffs, instead of fairly deciding who is the better team. How many conversations do you have about the Premiership table where people say: God, it was such an injustice that we finished 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th....18th, 19th, 20th? Hardly ever, if at all. Why? Because the league table, decided over 38 games, aggregates those places, and comes up with a fair placement. Playoffs do not. So in the future if Arsenal win a CL you'll not be happy as you have simply won a shitty play off competition? |
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Post by Fry on May 19, 2012 18:03:59 GMT -5
Not on his best moment, like Lampard, but one of the pillars of the team. Not tonight though. Or in the second leg of the semi-final against Barcelona, you know, when he got himself sent off by kneeing Alexis Sanchez in the back. Like I said, no class. you don't win a champions league on a night or two. it took years to these guys. with childish mistakes (like Drogba's penalties) and great performances. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2012 18:11:37 GMT -5
Right, Bayern have themselves to blame as they should have put Chelsea well out of sight well before the end of 90 minutes, and could very well have wrapped it up within 5 minutes of extra time, too. But this highlights, further, why playoffs are bullshit. There's no denying Chelsea got lucky. There's no denying Chelsea didn't deserve it. The playoff system meant that Chelsea were able to ride their luck to win the competition. Luck and performance on the day matter the most in playoffs, instead of fairly deciding who is the better team. How many conversations do you have about the Premiership table where people say: God, it was such an injustice that we finished 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th....18th, 19th, 20th? Hardly ever, if at all. Why? Because the league table, decided over 38 games, aggregates those places, and comes up with a fair placement. Playoffs do not. So in the future if Arsenal win a CL you'll not be happy as you have simply won a shitty play off competition? i guess he never celebrated the cup's that arsenal have won |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2012 18:16:54 GMT -5
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Post by Brenno on May 19, 2012 18:22:17 GMT -5
How can anyone say Chelsea don't deserve it?
They got to the final and won it fair and square no matter how they played and how much luck they had along the way; that's the way it works.
I'm not even a Chelsea fan but this sort of shit pisses me off.
Fuck off NL4E you twat.
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Post by RocketMan on May 20, 2012 6:02:49 GMT -5
i feel a bit sorry for bayern, to win the CL-final at home is something really special, but chelsea did a great job. a bit like greece at the euro 2004. it's not the best way to win a game but you can't argue with success
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Post by Superguiller. on Jun 5, 2012 20:24:14 GMT -5
They won, it's over. They deserve it, they can play the game anyway they want.
Also, that's not buying success. It's 11 against eleven and they played the best teams in Europe. And somehow they won.
I still hate them, though.
It's even a bit romantic to choose to play that way. It's suffering all the way through the match for the fans. Fucking horrible to me.
It has to happen every few years, you know. There's always a fluke.
And I still rather have them winning it than Real Mourinho.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 5, 2012 20:52:56 GMT -5
They deserve it. It has to happen every few years, you know. There's always a fluke. So they deserved it but it was a fluke? How does that contradictory statement make any sense?  |
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Post by Superguiller. on Jun 6, 2012 12:19:31 GMT -5
Football is about nothing but getting the ball to cross the goal line. You can play horrible and get a lucky goal. The one who scores, even if it's through a lucky strike, deserves to win.
Do you want me to feed you your soup now, little genius?
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Post by Superguiller. on Jun 6, 2012 12:21:39 GMT -5
By the way, 2+2=4.
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Post by Billy Davey ツ on Jun 6, 2012 15:04:17 GMT -5
4+2=6
they've signed a couple of good players to make some changes, it will be more interesting to watch them next season.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 7, 2012 19:22:44 GMT -5
Football is about nothing but getting the ball to cross the goal line. You can play horrible and get a lucky goal. The one who scores, even if it's through a lucky strike, deserves to win. Do you want me to feed you your soup now, little genius? No. They don't. I guess that's where we disagree. Yes, the scoreline is the only stat that matters, sure. But if a team completely out plays another and loses, then the winning team didn't deserve their win. Simples. You can't get lucky and deserve to win. That is, as I said, contradictory. |
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Post by Billy Davey ツ on Jun 7, 2012 19:44:20 GMT -5
why not? if the goalkeeper saves a lot isn't he playing good? the striker that keeps failing to score is playing good?
I agree with Guille. The team that scores more is the one who deserves to win. It can be done with different styles, more or less beautiful, but it's winning is about scoring.
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Post by Officer Jim Kurring on Jun 7, 2012 20:43:52 GMT -5
NL4E's just upset that Chelsea won. If a team makes it through the entire Champions League they deserve to win.
also, i really enjoy reading about all you guys talking about soccer(yes, 'soccer'. if you were american you'd understand.), i'm becoming a fan of the game.
God bless.
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Post by Superguiller. on Jun 7, 2012 22:05:45 GMT -5
Football is about nothing but getting the ball to cross the goal line. You can play horrible and get a lucky goal. The one who scores, even if it's through a lucky strike, deserves to win. Do you want me to feed you your soup now, little genius? No. They don't. I guess that's where we disagree. Yes, the scoreline is the only stat that matters, sure. But if a team completely out plays another and loses, then the winning team didn't deserve their win. Simples. You can't get lucky and deserve to win. That is, as I said, contradictory. No, it's not contradictory. Take a look at the FIFA rulebook and wake up. When talking about football, merit is based on goals, simple as that. Also, you're not famous for your great knowledge of the game. You'd kick Arsene right in the balls or suck his dick depending on wether it's a weekday or a weekend. |
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