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Post by thuperthonic on Mar 15, 2012 18:57:47 GMT -5
Always assumed they'd end up playing Oasis songs that Liam, Andy or Gem wrote but if they end up playing Noel's songs that'll really surprise me. If that were the case, Liam wouldn't feel the need to justify it. He would just say, "We're doing songs we wrote" and no one would care. There's a reason he isn't saying that. |
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Post by thedon on Mar 15, 2012 19:11:33 GMT -5
Always assumed they'd end up playing Oasis songs that Liam, Andy or Gem wrote but if they end up playing Noel's songs that'll really surprise me. If that were the case, Liam wouldn't feel the need to justify it. He would just say, "We're doing songs we wrote" and no one would care. There's a reason he isn't saying that. Yeah. It's pretty odd. Really looking forward to hearing them though. Hopefully there'll be some key-lowering going on and they'll actually be listenable again. |
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Post by Leezy2 on Mar 16, 2012 7:48:09 GMT -5
So in other words, Liams saying the Beady Eye tour was shit and he's gonna have to cash in on playing Oasis songs in a desperate attempt to get more people to come to the gigs?
WORST thing they could possibly do, when Liam first announced that Beady Eye would not be playing any Oasis songs and be looking to start fresh, I actually had quite a lot of respect for Liam in doing that. By treating Beady Eye as a whole new band and by trying to write new songs that stood on their own was the best way to do things. Giving in after just 1 (average) album and tour doesn't look good on him. Would have rather they concentrated on making the next album the best they can rather than admitting defeat and having to fall back on the Oasis name/music.
Oasis without Noel isn't too appealing, especially if they're gonna be playing NOEL's songs. Definitely don't agree with that.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 16, 2012 8:13:57 GMT -5
Where did he say the tour was shit? I can only speak for England but most of the gigs were full and if they play similar sized show's a few Oasis songs won't make a blind bit of difference.
It isn't anything to do with Oasis. Its Beady Eye performing some songs of a band they were all previously part of.
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Post by Leezy2 on Mar 16, 2012 8:31:57 GMT -5
Where did he say the tour was shit? I can only speak for England but most of the gigs were full and if they play similar sized show's a few Oasis songs won't make a blind bit of difference. It isn't anything to do with Oasis. Its Beady Eye performing some songs of a band they were all previously part of. Think it was Liams comment where he said "We've done some good gigs, we've done some shit gigs", was sort of reading between the lines and assuming he meant that the tour hadn't been as good as he had hoped. Still think them playing Oasis songs, Noels Oasis songs no doubt, is all wrong and feels like they're giving up on Beady Eye. Believe me I'm not a Noel fanboy, I just actually really wanted Liam to make a success of Beady Eye. He was the one to prove that he could do it himself, that they were capable of making good music without Noel, and I really think the Beady Eye album was a lot better than people were expecting, yeah it wasn't a classic, but it was definitely better than people expected. If they stuck to keeping Beady Eye as a whole new band, improved upon DGSS by taking its strengths and building on them then they'd put out a really great follow up. then there'd be no need to have to fall back on Oasis songs to try and draw more people to the gigs. Maybe Liams just jealous that Noels selling-out arenas?  |
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Post by holidayinthesun on Mar 16, 2012 8:47:37 GMT -5
This is so obvious. Of course Liam and Co. have the right to play any and all Oasis songs that they want. If Noel can, he can. So what, Noel wrote them? Well, Liam made them famous. Who sang a song is infinitely more important to your average listener / concert-goer than who composed it. It's time for BDI to finally crank out the Oasis tunes. I've been to many BDI shows and trust me the place would have gone crazy if they had launched into Live Forever, Supersonic, Some Might Say, etc. If you've been to a BDI show... tell me you wouldn't have felt the same. They should have been playing these songs from the start. It was only Liam's ego that kept it from happening. Can't wait for this. Of course, I also love Noel doing Oasis songs as well.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 16, 2012 9:30:54 GMT -5
Maybe we should read between the lines a bit more: Both Noel and Liam are playing Oasis songs. Liam is playing them after he declared Oasis dead and over.
Clearly both brothers still yearn for Oasis to be together.
Once their relations ease more, I think it's only time we see a proper reformation - and it wouldn't be just about the money, either, I don't think.....
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 16, 2012 10:07:04 GMT -5
Where did he say the tour was shit? I can only speak for England but most of the gigs were full and if they play similar sized show's a few Oasis songs won't make a blind bit of difference. It isn't anything to do with Oasis. Its Beady Eye performing some songs of a band they were all previously part of. Think it was Liams comment where he said "We've done some good gigs, we've done some shit gigs", was sort of reading between the lines and assuming he meant that the tour hadn't been as good as he had hoped. Still think them playing Oasis songs, Noels Oasis songs no doubt, is all wrong and feels like they're giving up on Beady Eye. Believe me I'm not a Noel fanboy, I just actually really wanted Liam to make a success of Beady Eye. He was the one to prove that he could do it himself, that they were capable of making good music without Noel, and I really think the Beady Eye album was a lot better than people were expecting, yeah it wasn't a classic, but it was definitely better than people expected. If they stuck to keeping Beady Eye as a whole new band, improved upon DGSS by taking its strengths and building on them then they'd put out a really great follow up. then there'd be no need to have to fall back on Oasis songs to try and draw more people to the gigs. Maybe Liams just jealous that Noels selling-out arenas? I think every band on every tour has there fair share of good and bad gigs. I don't think he meant anything more than that. I suppose success depends on the perception. But success to me is not massive sales or journalistic adulation but whether I think the songs are good and the live gigs are good, and to me they are. Any other praise is a bonus. At the end of the day its about the songs. I think they will take DGSS strengths and build upon it. I would expect the next tour to have the best parts of DGSS with a large part of the new album + a few Oasis songs. That sounds pretty good to me. |
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Post by headshrinker84 on Mar 16, 2012 12:29:14 GMT -5
Maybe we should read between the lines a bit more: Both Noel and Liam are playing Oasis songs. Liam is playing them after he declared Oasis dead and over. Clearly both brothers still yearn for Oasis to be together. Once their relations ease more, I think it's only time we see a proper reformation - and it wouldn't be just about the money, either, I don't think..... I think it shows Liam wants and needs Oasis more than Noel does. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 16, 2012 12:32:22 GMT -5
Maybe we should read between the lines a bit more: Both Noel and Liam are playing Oasis songs. Liam is playing them after he declared Oasis dead and over. Clearly both brothers still yearn for Oasis to be together. Once their relations ease more, I think it's only time we see a proper reformation - and it wouldn't be just about the money, either, I don't think..... I thin it shows Liam wants and needs Oasis more than Noel does. Noel's gigs are made up of a large amount of Oasis songs no? Whats your point? |
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Post by headshrinker84 on Mar 16, 2012 12:58:26 GMT -5
I thin it shows Liam wants and needs Oasis more than Noel does. Noel's gigs are made up of a large amount of Oasis songs no? Whats your point? But Noel said he was playing Oasis songs from the start. Plus with the success Noel is having going solo he won't be in a rush to reform Oasis. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2012 13:04:59 GMT -5
I really don't think Noel is yearning for Oasis to get back together, he's visibly happier than he's been in years.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 16, 2012 23:01:01 GMT -5
I really don't think Noel is yearning for Oasis to get back together, he's visibly happier than he's been in years. I completely disagree with this. Already during his solo career he has expressed regret of ending Oasis, and wishing he completed the final few gigs in 2009 so they could have a break and come back. That says it all, really. Noel stated he regrets leaving Oasis. Liam has stated the same, in so many words. Look, you don't continue to play Oasis songs if you're over the band. Noel didn't leave Oasis because he was sick of it; he was just simply sick of Liam at that current time. Likewise, Liam didn't change the name because he was sick of Oasis, he changed it because he didn't want to tarnish the band. The longer they refuse to resolve their differences, the harder it will be to reform. But if they apologize to each other soon, we'll see Oasis back. Bank on it. |
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Post by headshrinker84 on Mar 17, 2012 11:19:00 GMT -5
I really don't think Noel is yearning for Oasis to get back together, he's visibly happier than he's been in years. I completely disagree with this. Already during his solo career he has expressed regret of ending Oasis, and wishing he completed the final few gigs in 2009 so they could have a break and come back. That says it all, really. Noel stated he regrets leaving Oasis. Liam has stated the same, in so many words. Look, you don't continue to play Oasis songs if you're over the band. Noel didn't leave Oasis because he was sick of it; he was just simply sick of Liam at that current time. Likewise, Liam didn't change the name because he was sick of Oasis, he changed it because he didn't want to tarnish the band. The longer they refuse to resolve their differences, the harder it will be to reform. But if they apology to each other soon, we'll see Oasis back. Bank on it. Well Liam isn't going to change, Plus Noel has to be in control of things and Liam doesn't accept that anymore. And why would Noel go back to all the bullshit with Liam when he's having great success himself? |
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Post by truefaith on Mar 17, 2012 11:56:05 GMT -5
Who sang a song is infinitely more important to your average listener / concert-goer than who composed it. Finally someone have understood it. That's why only hardcore Noel zombie are gonna care and even I can't see them leaving the show because C&A is played... |
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Post by truefaith on Mar 17, 2012 12:01:59 GMT -5
I completely disagree with this. Already during his solo career he has expressed regret of ending Oasis, and wishing he completed the final few gigs in 2009 so they could have a break and come back. That says it all, really. Noel stated he regrets leaving Oasis. Liam has stated the same, in so many words. Look, you don't continue to play Oasis songs if you're over the band. Noel didn't leave Oasis because he was sick of it; he was just simply sick of Liam at that current time. Likewise, Liam didn't change the name because he was sick of Oasis, he changed it because he didn't want to tarnish the band. The longer they refuse to resolve their differences, the harder it will be to reform. But if they apology to each other soon, we'll see Oasis back. Bank on it. Well Liam isn't going to change, Plus Noel has to be in control of things and Liam doesn't accept that anymore. And why would Noel go back to all the bullshit with Liam when he's having great success himself? Because he seemed to miss Oasis. The huge aspect of it, the stadium gigs. The great succes all around the world ( not just in UK). And he seems to simply love Oasis as an entity. Liam does too. Eventually they will miss that. That's what seemed to appear in their itw. Then there's the fact that Noel is quite limited in Oasis back catalogue. He can't play most of it live, eventually he's gonna miss it too. Finally they seem less and less angry at each other lately. They texted at chrismtas, Peggy is surely pushing them to reconcile. They're IMO very codependant and Oasis means too much to both of them, (not because of the money), which is a beautifull thing that you don't see in every artist that leave a band. They always talk about Oasis with respect they miss their role in that. Oasis as an entity isn't the probleme, the probleme is Liam and Noel's relashionship. They are brother, they love their mother. One day or another they will sort things out. And once they do, they won't be any reason not to reform Oasis. |
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Post by truefaith on Mar 20, 2012 19:00:46 GMT -5
ian brown only played roses tunes after john squire did in his solo career. bdi said from the start they would play old tunes at some point. let's wait and see which ones they play... and lets not forget they did the majority of an oasis tour without noel onstage and played those songs... It was different, it was Oasis, fulfilling contractual obligations without Noel. Which was very brave of them, it was my first Oasis gig ever, and I was thankful for them for doing it. Once again, it's their right. It's just that I believe they shouldn't, because their attitude was the right one until now : new band, new songs. We'll see what they play, I'm almost 100% sure it will be the hits, because... That's what people want to hear. But they're big guys, they do whatever they want, really... I just though of a new fact about this. During the BHN tour, Noel played several times Setting Sun in his accoustic set. But Setting sun is a solo collaboration with the Chemical Brothers, Setting sun isn't related at all to Oasis. It's only related to Noel Gallagher. So at the time, Noel didn't had any problem with mixing a solo song in the set of his band. Therefore why would Liam have a problem with mixing his old band song with his new band. |
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Post by Rockin'chair23 on Mar 21, 2012 9:29:38 GMT -5
Noel doesn't need oasis he just needs the songs....
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Post by Rockin'chair23 on Mar 21, 2012 9:31:28 GMT -5
Also will Gordon Smart from the sun ever take his tongue out of Noel's arse? It's embarrassing reading it.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 21, 2012 9:35:59 GMT -5
It was different, it was Oasis, fulfilling contractual obligations without Noel. Which was very brave of them, it was my first Oasis gig ever, and I was thankful for them for doing it. Once again, it's their right. It's just that I believe they shouldn't, because their attitude was the right one until now : new band, new songs. We'll see what they play, I'm almost 100% sure it will be the hits, because... That's what people want to hear. But they're big guys, they do whatever they want, really... I just though of a new fact about this. During the BHN tour, Noel played several times Setting Sun in his accoustic set. But Setting sun is a solo collaboration with the Chemical Brothers, Setting sun isn't related at all to Oasis. It's only related to Noel Gallagher. So at the time, Noel didn't had any problem with mixing a solo song in the set of his band. Therefore why would Liam have a problem with mixing his old band song with his new band. The difference is Noel wrote those lyrics and the basic melody. The Chemical Brothers supplied the big beats and the electronica vibe. Liam didn't write the Noel songs he wants to play. If he wrote Champagne Supernova or Cigarettes & Alcohol fewer people would have issues with it. When you write a song, you own it completely regardless of who sang it. Unfortunately for Liam that is not the case and he got into songwriting 10 years into Oasis. He still wrote some fantastic songs (Songbird, I'm Outta Time, Boy With The Blues). |
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Post by truefaith on Mar 21, 2012 10:42:10 GMT -5
I just though of a new fact about this. During the BHN tour, Noel played several times Setting Sun in his accoustic set. But Setting sun is a solo collaboration with the Chemical Brothers, Setting sun isn't related at all to Oasis. It's only related to Noel Gallagher. So at the time, Noel didn't had any problem with mixing a solo song in the set of his band. Therefore why would Liam have a problem with mixing his old band song with his new band. The difference is Noel wrote those lyrics and the basic melody. The Chemical Brothers supplied the big beats and the electronica vibe. Liam didn't write the Noel songs he wants to play. If he wrote Champagne Supernova or Cigarettes & Alcohol fewer people would have issues with it. When you write a song, you own it completely regardless of who sang it. Unfortunately for Liam that is not the case and he got into songwriting 10 years into Oasis. He still wrote some fantastic songs (Songbird, I'm Outta Time, Boy With The Blues). It was an argument against the "you can't mix your old bands/ new bands/solo career' point. The question of Liam entitled to play songs he didn't write is another debate. But once again, his vocals were so important, essential to the song. His singing made so much the songs what they are that I can't see why it should be a probleme to anyone. Once again, like Elvis. Performer like that own the song even if they haven't wrote them because their voice is too important to the song. |
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