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Post by gdforever on Mar 14, 2012 17:58:39 GMT -5
Solo artist, solo artist, solo artist, same band that released those songs, solo artist. I don't think any of those instances involves those acts forming an new band that they wanted to be taken as it's own identity and then playing the old acts material less than 18 months after the new act had debuted. Why do people insist on justifying it because someone else did it? Particularly when none of the examples are the same as BDI. BDI is SUPPOSED to be a band in their own right. This is not Liam's solo vehicle. So if they had kept the name Oasis, which they could have done as Noel quit, it would then be ok? Absolutely. They did it before they could do it again. Congrats on using a proper example in Audioslave. They played them within a year and a half of Audioslaves first album debut...not a fan so I don't know. Just getting sick of people using the same totally irrelevant examples like you did in your first post. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 14, 2012 17:59:42 GMT -5
GD was saying "you cant' play songs from you former band when you're in a new one". My answer is why? Bernard Sumner did it for example. The question of playing stuff you've wrote or not is another debate. Liam didn't wrote the song but performed them. They're part of his catalogue, he has every right to play them. Same as Morrissey has the right to play Smiths song even if he didn't wrote the music or NO can play JD songs even if Ian is dead and Hooky isn't here anymore and so on. People don't have a vey high value of what performer means. But a singer is not a drummer, it's something that defines the song, that makes the song what it is. Liam, Elvis, Morrissey, Jagger, these are great performers that are entitled to perform their song even if they haven't wrote them. I did NOT say they COULDN'T play the songs. Don't put words in my mouth. I am of the personal opinion that I wish they wouldn't. I said why do people pick dissimilar situations as some sort of proof? You instance was much more apropos...hope people use it instead of the tiring chants of Macca and Morrissey. Also...for the last time! Morrissey didn't play a Smiths song for like a decade AND he is a solo artist. Yeah and the New Order songs performed by Bad Lieutenant are the ones Bernanrd Sumner wrote and sang on. |
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Post by truefaith on Mar 14, 2012 18:02:11 GMT -5
GD was saying "you cant' play songs from you former band when you're in a new one". My answer is why? Bernard Sumner did it for example. The question of playing stuff you've wrote or not is another debate. Liam didn't wrote the song but performed them. They're part of his catalogue, he has every right to play them. Same as Morrissey has the right to play Smiths song even if he didn't wrote the music or NO can play JD songs even if Ian is dead and Hooky isn't here anymore and so on. People don't have a vey high value of what performer means. But a singer is not a drummer, it's something that defines the song, that makes the song what it is. Liam, Elvis, Morrissey, Jagger, these are great performers that are entitled to perform their song even if they haven't wrote them. I did NOT say they COULDN'T play the songs. Don't put words in my mouth. I am of the personal opinion that I wish they wouldn't. I said why do people pick dissimilar situations as some sort of proof? You instance was much more apropos...hope people use it instead of the tiring chants of Macca and Morrissey. Also...for the last time! Morrissey didn't play a Smiths song for like a decade AND he is a solo artist. But Morrissey was younger, The Smiths didn't last very long Why does it matter how much time he waited ? The important fact is that he's playing them. Liam is rather old and have stayed in the same band for 20 years. And you used BDI being a band as a escuse for them not to have the right to play Oasis song as if it was an empirical truth IMO. Your opinion is they shouldn't play Oasis song ok. But don't use the band/solo thing as an escuse because it doesn't mean anything. |
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Post by thuperthonic on Mar 14, 2012 18:02:23 GMT -5
I'd just like to say this is one of the few times a thread has turned into a never-ending back and forth where it's actually worthwhile and consistently informative. Debate on.
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Post by gefe on Mar 14, 2012 18:03:43 GMT -5
Its not if they could, or not, play the songs, if its right or wrong. The bottom line is that you cant go talk bullshit about the man who created those songs, say that oasis is done, to get over it, or whatever, etc.....AND go play those songs just because "he changed his mind" BS
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Post by truefaith on Mar 14, 2012 18:03:45 GMT -5
I did NOT say they COULDN'T play the songs. Don't put words in my mouth. I am of the personal opinion that I wish they wouldn't. I said why do people pick dissimilar situations as some sort of proof? You instance was much more apropos...hope people use it instead of the tiring chants of Macca and Morrissey. Also...for the last time! Morrissey didn't play a Smiths song for like a decade AND he is a solo artist. Yeah and the New Order songs performed by Bad Lieutenant are the ones Bernanrd Sumner wrote and sang on. He sang on almost every NO songs and he co wrote every JD and NO songs so it would be hard to find a song he wasn't a part of.  Liam wrote very few song in Oasis, it doesn't mean he doesn't own the catalogue just because he chose to be a singer for a large portion of his life. |
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Post by thomas09 on Mar 14, 2012 18:06:48 GMT -5
Also...for the last time! Morrissey didn't play a Smiths song for like a decade AND he is a solo artist. so if liam was a solo artist it would be okay? Personally I think its great beady eye are playing the songs, i mean didnt noel write them for liam to sing in the first place?? no one else is gonna sing them so why let them go to waste? andy is an amazing guitarist and i cannot wait to hear his take on the tunes. FTR, Beady Eye supersonic will shit all over NGHFB supersonic |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 14, 2012 18:07:07 GMT -5
Yeah and the New Order songs performed by Bad Lieutenant are the ones Bernanrd Sumner wrote and sang on. He sang on almost every NO songs and he co wrote every JD and NO songs so it would be hard to find a song he wasn't a part of. Liam wrote very few song in Oasis, it doesn't mean he doesn't own the catalogue just because he chose to be a singer for a large portion of his life. It is tough to find a good example of Beady Eye playing Oasis songs. So many different variables with all the bands listed. Like I said earlier, this debate is polarizing the message board posters. This is going to rage on for a long time especially when Beady Eye start playing Noel Oasis songs. Enjoy the ride everyone. |
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Post by thomas09 on Mar 14, 2012 18:09:16 GMT -5
it'd actually be hilarious if they opened in fuji with its good to be free :DD
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Post by gdforever on Mar 14, 2012 18:12:13 GMT -5
Also...for the last time! Morrissey didn't play a Smiths song for like a decade AND he is a solo artist. so if liam was a solo artist it would be okay? Personally I think its great beady eye are playing the songs, i mean didnt noel write them for liam to sing in the first place?? no one else is gonna sing them so why let them go to waste? andy is an amazing guitarist and i cannot wait to hear his take on the tunes. FTR, Beady Eye supersonic will shit all over NGHFB supersonic It's be a different situation. Yeah...I think it's be more acceptable. It would be Liam saying, I'm Liam Gallagher...this is my career spanning back catalogue. not We are BDI...this is a song from our lead singers back catalogue. BTW...who is talking about HFB? |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 14, 2012 18:12:32 GMT -5
it'd actually be hilarious if they opened in fuji with its good to be free :DD Or they could go for even more irony by playing Acquiesce with Andy singing Noel's parts.  |
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Post by truefaith on Mar 14, 2012 18:13:36 GMT -5
He sang on almost every NO songs and he co wrote every JD and NO songs so it would be hard to find a song he wasn't a part of. Liam wrote very few song in Oasis, it doesn't mean he doesn't own the catalogue just because he chose to be a singer for a large portion of his life. It is tough to find a good example of Beady Eye playing Oasis songs. So many different variables with all the bands listed. Like I said earlier, this debate is polarizing the message board posters. This is going to rage on for a long time especially when Beady Eye starting playing Noel Oasis songs. Enjoy the ride everyone. It's tought because usually in rock n roll band, the singer wrote the lyrics. So he's part of the writting process and people like you think he's more entitled to play the song without the actual guy who wrote the music. In pop, there is singers that don't write all their material and nobody has a problem with them singing it. So people get confused, but you have to see Liam as a performer like Elvis. Noel wrote the songs for Liam to sing. They're supposed to be sung by Liam. Like Elvis was doing even if he didn't wrote them. Noel won't even play songs too connected to Liam. Then if Liam was a solo artist, everyone would understand it, but he's in a band and people get confused again. But the band is just a name, it was a way to continue the band with his bandmate, it doesn't mean giving up on Oasis heritage and catalogue. It's just a name. |
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Post by headshrinker84 on Mar 14, 2012 18:16:07 GMT -5
As much as Noel has contradicted himself over the years and people have gotten on him for that and have always praised Liam for sticking to his guns, speaking from the heart, not caring what others think, and not flip flopping. It amazes me how some are ignoring this post. Good post J-200. I personally have no opinion on the whole matter. But I thought it was interesting to point this out. He has the right to change his mind. Noel changes his every two days like you noticed. It's been a year since this statement, maybe he miss the song now and didn't then. Maybe HFB medium's performance of Oasis songs made him realize he can do them justice more with BDI. Maybe since everybody is happy because Noel plays some, he feels Oasis is his history too and want to share it with his audience too. Noel changes his mind about almost anything, Liam changes his about an important stuff in his carreer : playing his catalogue or not. Not the same for me. Maybe it's because Noel is playing arena's and his album is doing miles better and Liam wants that. You slag off Noel every chance you get and are so far up Liam arse he can say or do no wrong. |
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Post by thuperthonic on Mar 14, 2012 18:17:02 GMT -5
Quick semi-cheeky question here: Liam says Beady Eye is the best band in the world; why do they feel the need to play songs of a lesser band? :-P COME ON LIAM I KNOW YOU'RE READING THIS
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Post by spaneli on Mar 14, 2012 18:19:16 GMT -5
Also...for the last time! Morrissey didn't play a Smiths song for like a decade AND he is a solo artist. so if liam was a solo artist it would be okay? Personally I think its great beady eye are playing the songs, i mean didnt noel write them for liam to sing in the first place?? no one else is gonna sing them so why let them go to waste? andy is an amazing guitarist and i cannot wait to hear his take on the tunes. FTR, Beady Eye supersonic will shit all over NGHFB supersonic I think it does make a difference. A band is naturally expected to play their songs. Songs that they've written and possibly played on. Thats the essence of being a band in my opinion. While a solo artist isn't necessarily expected to always play songs that are completely by them. So if Liam were a solo artist, then yes it would make a bit of a difference. How much of a difference, I don't know. But I think it comes down to certain traditions and modes of doing stuff throughout music history. A solo artist is not necessarily beholden to the same rules that a band is when it comes to origins of the work that they perform. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2012 18:21:12 GMT -5
If I'd have spent the last 2 years calling someone a "c*nt" and saying I don't need him, the last thing I'd do is start playing said person's songs when my own material tanks.
Maybe that's just me?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 14, 2012 18:21:20 GMT -5
It is tough to find a good example of Beady Eye playing Oasis songs. So many different variables with all the bands listed. Like I said earlier, this debate is polarizing the message board posters. This is going to rage on for a long time especially when Beady Eye starting playing Noel Oasis songs. Enjoy the ride everyone. It's tought because usually in rock n roll band, the singer wrote the lyrics. So he's part of the writting process and people like you think he's entitled to play the song without the actual guy who played the music. In pop, there is singer that don't write all their material and nobody has a problem with them singing it. So people get confused, but you have to see Liam as a performer like Elvis. Noel wrote the songs for Liam to sing. They're supposed to be sung by Liam. Like Elvis was doing even if he didn't wrote them. Noel won't even play songs to connected to Liam. Then if Liam was a solo artist, everyone would understand it, but he's in a band and people get confused again. But the band is just a name, it was a way to continue the band with his bandmate, it doesn't mean giving up on Oasis heritage and catalogue. It's just a name. I never said Beady Eye couldn't play Oasis songs. I only said I wish they wouldn't. I'd prefer if they stuck to Beady Eye songs from their debut, new material from album #2 and maybe a kick ass cover like "We Love You" by The Rolling Stones they keep mentioning they rehearsed before going with the World of Twist cover. I am also of the opinion if they do play Oasis songs, it should be the ones they personally wrote. This is just MY OPINION. Doesn't mean I'm right or wrong. To me it just makes more sense for a new band to look ahead than behind. Noel said fuck you to the guys. Liam said fuck you too right back. Now after crappy album sales and so so tour success, Liam wants to play the Oasis songs. I have a strong feeling this is only because of the success Noel is having at the moment. Liam wants to be that big and relevant once more. I'm not sure playing Oasis songs can even help him with that. The key for that is for Beady Eye to make a great second album with a catchy single for the radio. |
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Post by spaneli on Mar 14, 2012 18:24:35 GMT -5
If I'd have spent the last 2 years calling someone a "c*nt" and saying I don't need him, the last thing I'd do is start playing said person's songs when my own material tanks. Maybe that's just me? I literally laughed out loud on this for some reason. |
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Post by headshrinker84 on Mar 14, 2012 18:26:34 GMT -5
If I'd have spent the last 2 years calling someone a "c*nt" and saying I don't need him, the last thing I'd do is start playing said person's songs when my own material tanks. Maybe that's just me? Oh the Liam zombies will be after you now. |
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Post by truefaith on Mar 14, 2012 18:29:01 GMT -5
If I'd have spent the last 2 years calling someone a "c*nt" and saying I don't need him, the last thing I'd do is start playing said person's songs when my own material tanks. Maybe that's just me? Because you just see it as "Noel's song". Liam sees it as Oasis' song therefore HIS song too. Thus he feels the right to play it. If he was only doing that to get bigger venues, he would have done it since the first tour. Even Liam isn't that naive to think he would have made the same venue with ou without Oasis tunes. As I see it, he's sick of Noel using and getting all credits for Oasis History and wants to remind people he's as much important in those song as Noel. And wants to enjoying it with the fan. Of course it would help to cash out a little, but a couple of song wont change everything. The main thing for them is to make a good second record. Nobody will actually care about Oasis song after the first gig, except for people in the audience, enjoying them!!!! |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 14, 2012 18:29:33 GMT -5
If I'd have spent the last 2 years calling someone a "c*nt" and saying I don't need him, the last thing I'd do is start playing said person's songs when my own material tanks. Maybe that's just me? Oh the Liam zombies will be after you now. What kind of zombies do you think they are like? The Walking Dead slow/dumb ones or 28 Days Later fast/violent ones? |
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Post by thomas09 on Mar 14, 2012 18:29:38 GMT -5
so if liam was a solo artist it would be okay? Personally I think its great beady eye are playing the songs, i mean didnt noel write them for liam to sing in the first place?? no one else is gonna sing them so why let them go to waste? andy is an amazing guitarist and i cannot wait to hear his take on the tunes. FTR, Beady Eye supersonic will shit all over NGHFB supersonic It's be a different situation. Yeah...I think it's be more acceptable. It would be Liam saying, I'm Liam Gallagher...this is my career spanning back catalogue. not We are BDI...this is a song from our lead singers back catalogue. BTW...who is talking about HFB? how would it be more acceptable?? andy and gem have spent the last 10 years of their lives playing oasis songs so they certainly have a right to play them. liam made the songs what they are. he has every right to sing them. if anything it would be if he plays them in a band are the songs automatically no longer his career spanning back catalogue?? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2012 18:32:09 GMT -5
Oh the Liam zombies will be after you now. What kind of zombies do you think they are like? The Walking Dead slow/dumb ones or 28 Days Later fast/violent ones? The ones wearing £50 Pretty Green t-shirts. |
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Post by spaneli on Mar 14, 2012 18:33:00 GMT -5
It's be a different situation. Yeah...I think it's be more acceptable. It would be Liam saying, I'm Liam Gallagher...this is my career spanning back catalogue. not We are BDI...this is a song from our lead singers back catalogue. BTW...who is talking about HFB? how would it be more acceptable?? andy and gem have spent the last 10 years of their lives playing oasis songs so they certainly have a right to play them. liam made the songs what they are. he has every right to sing them. if anything it would be if he plays them in a band are the songs automatically no longer his career spanning back catalogue?? For better or for worse, bands are usually subjected to a different mode of viewing/thinking than a solo artist. |
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Post by truefaith on Mar 14, 2012 18:37:40 GMT -5
how would it be more acceptable?? andy and gem have spent the last 10 years of their lives playing oasis songs so they certainly have a right to play them. liam made the songs what they are. he has every right to sing them. if anything it would be if he plays them in a band are the songs automatically no longer his career spanning back catalogue?? For better or for worse, bands are usually subjected to a different mode of viewing/thinking than a solo artist. So if Noel had choose to call himself only High Flying Birds and to be in a full band, people would think it's "wrong" for him to play Oasis songs? It doesn't make any sense. People can think BDI shouldn't play Oasis song, (it's a little hypocritical for a fan but there you go). But using the band/solo artist as a empirical reason because of "tradition". Especially when there are example of band doing the same thing is ridiculous. |
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