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Post by truefaith on Mar 19, 2012 5:19:26 GMT -5
Liam should give the autotune a rest for this new album. Most of the songs on DFSS were left overs from Oasis so it will be interesting to see what they can come up with in an 18 month period. Liam's best song for me was Born on a Diff CloudI can hear more autotune on Noel's album since he can't reach any high notes of WAL and TDOYAM live. I didn't notice that much on DGSS, maybe on For anyone but that's it. |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Mar 19, 2012 6:36:11 GMT -5
Autotune is applied to just about every single album/song released at the moment. Industry standard. I doubt there's a mainstream singer out there who HASN'T had it applied to their vocals. There's nothing wrong with it. Well, there is when Hip-Hop/RnB artists overuse it and you can hear the artificial steps in the waveform. A little bit here and there for tuning purposes in order to better serve the song is perfectly fine in my book.
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Post by sawdustrings on Mar 19, 2012 8:04:47 GMT -5
Since Liam has never nailed For Anyone live at least once, I'd say it was autotuned.
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Post by gdforever on Mar 19, 2012 10:06:56 GMT -5
Who cares about auto-tune as long as it's tastefully done? I hate it when it is used stylistically so that you can tell. If it is really just used to do a bit of pitch correction to improve a vocal take, whatever. It's not really that different to splicing together a dozen takes for a single song. It's utilising technology to make a better product.
However, I don't like the amount of vocal effects used on Liam's voice on DGSS. Liam has great vocal tone...it's his biggest asset even now...and I think too many vocal effect detract instead of enhance.
But that is just a personal preference.
Also...of course Noel has reached the notes on WAL live. What are you talking about? Without a doubt he is capable of hitting those notes in studio given the takes. The problem live is that the falsetto live gets buried in the mix. We know he has that range regardless of whether auto was actually used at all time on the album. But heavy use of auto tune isn't apparent on either of the albums.
Nothing like an over statement to make your bias show. And why do you have to make EVERYTHING about Noel v. Liam, truefaith?
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Post by Rolo on Mar 19, 2012 10:10:08 GMT -5
Here we go again...
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Mar 19, 2012 10:22:39 GMT -5
Since Liam has never nailed For Anyone live at least once, I'd say it was autotuned. Singing in studio is always easier than singing live, especially since For Anyone is in the middle of the set list - Liam's voice is pretty strained by that time. Just because singers don't sound as good live as on record doesn't mean it's autotuned - Liam in his prime almost never sung the falsetto in Live Forever, Damon Albarn struggled with Song 2 live, etc. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 19, 2012 11:15:29 GMT -5
Since Liam has never nailed For Anyone live at least once, I'd say it was autotuned. Singing in studio is always easier than singing live, especially since For Anyone is in the middle of the set list - Liam's voice is pretty strained by that time. Just because singers don't sound as good live as on record doesn't mean it's autotuned - Liam in his prime almost never sung the falsetto in Live Forever, Damon Albarn struggled with Song 2 live, etc. Isn't it sad that Liam's voice gets strained 6 songs into a set? I envy that Eddie Vedder and Thom Yorke still sound the same since the early 90s and their voices never give out during a show. It's something to admire after their 20 year careers. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 19, 2012 11:28:15 GMT -5
Singing in studio is always easier than singing live, especially since For Anyone is in the middle of the set list - Liam's voice is pretty strained by that time. Just because singers don't sound as good live as on record doesn't mean it's autotuned - Liam in his prime almost never sung the falsetto in Live Forever, Damon Albarn struggled with Song 2 live, etc. Isn't it sad that Liam's voice gets strained 6 songs into a set? I envy that Eddie Vedder and Thom Yorke still sound the same since the early 90s and their voices never give out during a show. It's something to admire after their 20 year careers. It is sad, because its luck of the draw what sort of voice you get and how long it will last although this can be improved or worsened depending what you do with it. Not that I agree that FA is that way because its 6 songs into the set. It was at the top of his range in the studio with a rested voice was pretty obvious it was going to be a challenge after a load of gigs. |
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Post by Headmaster on Mar 19, 2012 11:35:00 GMT -5
I didn't like Liam singing on DGSS too, sounded unnatural for me, dunno if his vocal was aurtotuned.
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Post by truefaith on Mar 19, 2012 13:04:39 GMT -5
Who cares about auto-tune as long as it's tastefully done? I hate it when it is used stylistically so that you can tell. If it is really just used to do a bit of pitch correction to improve a vocal take, whatever. It's not really that different to splicing together a dozen takes for a single song. It's utilising technology to make a better product. However, I don't like the amount of vocal effects used on Liam's voice on DGSS. Liam has great vocal tone...it's his biggest asset even now...and I think too many vocal effect detract instead of enhance. But that is just a personal preference. Also...of course Noel has reached the notes on WAL live. What are you talking about? Without a doubt he is capable of hitting those notes in studio given the takes. The problem live is that the falsetto live gets buried in the mix. We know he has that range regardless of whether auto was actually used at all time on the album. But heavy use of auto tune isn't apparent on either of the albums. Nothing like an over statement to make your bias show. And why do you have to make EVERYTHING about Noel v. Liam, truefaith? I agrre with you on Liam's vocal effect. It's useless. As for Noel, sorry but he struggles a lot live on high note and he doesn't have much power in his voice when he sings them. He's drown under the others instruments. It wasn't a Liam vs Noel statement. It was an example of singing clearly improved by the studio. |
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Post by gdforever on Mar 19, 2012 13:11:15 GMT -5
Who cares about auto-tune as long as it's tastefully done? I hate it when it is used stylistically so that you can tell. If it is really just used to do a bit of pitch correction to improve a vocal take, whatever. It's not really that different to splicing together a dozen takes for a single song. It's utilising technology to make a better product. However, I don't like the amount of vocal effects used on Liam's voice on DGSS. Liam has great vocal tone...it's his biggest asset even now...and I think too many vocal effect detract instead of enhance. But that is just a personal preference. Also...of course Noel has reached the notes on WAL live. What are you talking about? Without a doubt he is capable of hitting those notes in studio given the takes. The problem live is that the falsetto live gets buried in the mix. We know he has that range regardless of whether auto was actually used at all time on the album. But heavy use of auto tune isn't apparent on either of the albums. Nothing like an over statement to make your bias show. And why do you have to make EVERYTHING about Noel v. Liam, truefaith? I agrre with you on Liam's vocal effect. It's useless. As for Noel, sorry but he struggles a lot live on high note and he doesn't have much power in his voice when he sings them. He's drown under the others instruments. It wasn't a Liam vs Noel statement. It was an example of singing clearly improved by the studio. Fair enough. That isn't the same as not being able to hit a note though which is what you said and the only thing I dispute. He hits them most of the time...but it gets lost in the mix regularly. Definitely not proof of autotune on Noel's album which was your point. |
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Post by truefaith on Mar 19, 2012 13:20:21 GMT -5
I agrre with you on Liam's vocal effect. It's useless. As for Noel, sorry but he struggles a lot live on high note and he doesn't have much power in his voice when he sings them. He's drown under the others instruments. It wasn't a Liam vs Noel statement. It was an example of singing clearly improved by the studio. Fair enough. That isn't the same as not being able to hit a note though which is what you said and the only thing I dispute. He hits them most of the time...but it gets lost in the mix regularly. Definitely not proof of autotune on Noel's album which was your point. Seems quite clear to me that he's helped by the studio when I hear this. The studio version is powerfull even on the high notes, the live version is a struggleling battle, but his bass player help him well. |
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Post by thomas09 on Mar 19, 2012 16:04:15 GMT -5
Definitely not proof of autotune on Noel's album which was your point. Half the falsetto notes he sings on the album he hasn't hit once live, i think that's good proof |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2012 23:58:03 GMT -5
Singing in studio is always easier than singing live, especially since For Anyone is in the middle of the set list - Liam's voice is pretty strained by that time. Just because singers don't sound as good live as on record doesn't mean it's autotuned - Liam in his prime almost never sung the falsetto in Live Forever, Damon Albarn struggled with Song 2 live, etc. Isn't it sad that Liam's voice gets strained 6 songs into a set? I envy that Eddie Vedder and Thom Yorke still sound the same since the early 90s and their voices never give out during a show. It's something to admire after their 20 year careers. I'm a big Radiohead fan and Thom's voice definitely does not sound the same as it did 20 years ago. Granted, he does still sound fantastic, but there's a reason why they avoid playing tunes off of The Bends frequently. |
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Mar 20, 2012 4:16:12 GMT -5
Isn't it sad that Liam's voice gets strained 6 songs into a set? I envy that Eddie Vedder and Thom Yorke still sound the same since the early 90s and their voices never give out during a show. It's something to admire after their 20 year careers. I'm a big Radiohead fan and Thom's voice definitely does not sound the same as it did 20 years ago. Granted, he does still sound fantastic, but there's a reason why they avoid playing tunes off of The Bends frequently. You mean aside from the fact that people might want to hear those songs? ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2012 5:08:55 GMT -5
there is no autotune on either albums. you people are thinking of the dross that gets made by pop acts who can't sing.
The vocals you hear on Noel & Liam's recordings are the product of months of recordings, tens and tens of takes and micro-takes, (merging of takes sometimes one word at a time). Producers like Sardy and Lillywhite are all about getting 'the performance' from stars, not some Simon Cowel/Jay Z puppet mastering of talentless wannabes.
The difference in live vocals and their studio counterparts is called 'rock'n'roll'. Listen to Lennon on 'Live Peace In Toronto'. Listen to George Harrison on tour at any time. Then tell me their perfect album versions were 'autotuned'.
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Post by theultimatewannabe on Mar 20, 2012 9:03:29 GMT -5
I've always believed the part right before the second chorus in TBGO was overly autotuned and it disturbed me every time I listened to it. Other than that I don't really care, but whenever I want to hear autotunes in DGSS during a listen I almost always catch one. I agree with gdforever, he's got a great voice tone, and I think the undue autotuning is one of the few mistakes that Lillywhite made in "polishing" the sound.
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Post by okwhatever on Mar 26, 2012 0:30:15 GMT -5
i hope they leave the safe way and try something more hard/psychedelic. more guitar tracks would be nice and more solos like Andy Bells Four letter word outro. .... i think something fat with big guitars, orchestra and psychedelic sing along like Wigwam would be awesome. YEah agree with this! That crazy freight train drums/guitar work on Morning Son is brilliant....and I also love Dan the Automater, who ever said that up above. Didn't he do Handsome boy modelling school and Deltron 3030? Genius work. |
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Post by warewolf95 on May 19, 2012 23:05:09 GMT -5
Autotune is applied to just about every single album/song released at the moment. Industry standard. I doubt there's a mainstream singer out there who HASN'T had it applied to their vocals. There's nothing wrong with it. Well, there is when Hip-Hop/RnB artists overuse it and you can hear the artificial steps in the waveform. A little bit here and there for tuning purposes in order to better serve the song is perfectly fine in my book. FIRST RULE OF AUTOTUNE - IF the average person cant tell its there, its fine  |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2012 7:01:22 GMT -5
I didn't like Liam singing on DGSS too, sounded unnatural for me, dunno if his vocal was aurtotuned. Agreed I think he sounds best on four letter word were it sounds more natural and raw |
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Post by Bellboy on May 20, 2012 10:31:39 GMT -5
I didn't like Liam singing on DGSS too, sounded unnatural for me, dunno if his vocal was aurtotuned. Agreed I think he sounds best on four letter word were it sounds more natural and raw Natural & raw or kermit?! It seems Liam can't win! "Singing" really? I doubt auto tuning was used on the likes of WOMR. |
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Post by space75gr on May 20, 2012 14:47:21 GMT -5
right.
Liam is a bad singer, a kermit, he cant sing anymore, his performance in DGSS is awful, full of auto tuning, his live performances were horrible...beady eye should call it a day for good and leave God Noel continuing his extraordinary experimantal popular solo carrer.
if you are happy with that statement its time to finally leave that place to losers like me who still have faith n love for Liam and Beady Eye
... n go to hear your new Sting/Phil collins godlike genieus chief...
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Post by jasonsmantra on May 21, 2012 15:39:03 GMT -5
With any luck the 2nd album will be so bad we wont get a 3rd. Fingers crossed kids!!
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Post by leongti on May 21, 2012 15:41:34 GMT -5
knobhead
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Post by jasonsmantra on May 21, 2012 15:43:02 GMT -5
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