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Post by deasy on Feb 18, 2012 14:47:01 GMT -5
I'm skeptical about the rumour that it's almost done, but it's great that we are getting new music so fast post Oasis. If Oasis didn't break up we would likely have around 14-15 new tracks now with nothing else until 2014 at the earliest, whereas now we currently have over 30 new tracks and more on the way. Hopefully BDI2 is a more solid effort than DGSS. I prefer 10 good tracks every four years than 30 averages in 2 years as far as I'm concerned. I wouldnt mind they took their time. It seems way to soon to be finished. Good point, I agree with you. But most of the NGHFB tracks and a few of the BDI tracks were of very good quality, meaning I'm very happy with the overall output so far. What BDI need to do for the next album is to put their best tracks actually on the album. The B-sides they released for DGSS were better than certain tracks on the album (especially WOMR). The Noel tracklisting disease is obviously contagious
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 18, 2012 14:58:28 GMT -5
Because an album is completed quickly doesn't mean its rushed.
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Post by spaneli on Feb 18, 2012 15:19:59 GMT -5
I agree that the strings and orchestra and all those added layers don't necessarily make a bad song into a good one, but obviously it can fool a lot of people into thinking just that. exhibit example A: Everything on NGHFBs (except EOTR and Dream On) My point was that strings can't fix bad songwriting or bad melodies. I'd take the worst melody on HFB over most on DGSS. And I think that's what seperates the two albums. I can't be interested in many of the songs on DGSS because for me the melodies are sub par. Especially if I take my guitar out and try to play them. But I like how you assume that people were fooled into liking HFB. And then you use an album where only 3 tracks use strings prominently, but then say one of the three was great. So there are only 3 songs on the album. Use a better example next time.
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Post by The Morning Son on Feb 18, 2012 15:22:09 GMT -5
I think this could be a very realistic timeline. I think the success of Noel's record will make Beady Eye eager to get in the studio and record an album they seem confident in.
If the album was demoed late last year then it could have easily been recorded over the last 4-6 weeks, especially if the band were familiar with the songs. Little break now before the same again for mixing and mastering would mean its complete end of April, possibly spilling into May.
First single & track listing coming over the Summer with a release between August & October. Not too dissimilar to The High Flying Bird's album, only it would have taken less time to record due to there being more members and them only recording one records as opposed to Noel's too.
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Post by truefaith on Feb 18, 2012 15:40:19 GMT -5
Because an album is completed quickly doesn't mean its rushed. The first one was essentially made of left over from Oasis and it was average. So I can't see how the second can be great if it was entirelly written in a year. It's seems a little too soon. And I agree about the track listing, IABWAB should have been on the album too.
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Post by spaneli on Feb 18, 2012 15:47:45 GMT -5
Because an album is completed quickly doesn't mean its rushed. The first one was essentially made of left over from Oasis and it was average. So I can't see how the second can be great if it was entirelly written in a year. It's seems a little too soon. And I agree about the track listing, IABWAB should have been on the album too. An album being rushed is not the how long it takes to make it. There artists who have made albums two weeks and they've not been rushed. Rushing an album comes from when you go into a studio knowing that you need to take a certain amount of time, but you don't take it. But the time that you think you need is really dependent on the band. If you're a band and you've been in the studio enough time to know that you need say a year to write and you need at least three months in the studio, but you only right for 6 months, take whatever you have lying around (not worrying about quality), and you're only in the studio for say a month, then I would call that a rushed album. But again, that is really dependent on the band and how they usually operate and what's comfortable for them. I think the better question is, "The style that Beady Eye now have in making an album, in terms of the time taken toward writing and in studio. Is that method the most conducive for them to consistently make good music?" I don't know the answer to that. I don't think any of us truly know the answer that. But I hope that Beady Eye does.
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Post by Silence Dogood on Feb 18, 2012 16:21:45 GMT -5
I agree that the strings and orchestra and all those added layers don't necessarily make a bad song into a good one, but obviously it can fool a lot of people into thinking just that. exhibit example A: Everything on NGHFBs (except EOTR and Dream On) My point was that strings can't fix bad songwriting or bad melodies. I'd take the worst melody on HFB over most on DGSS. And I think that's what seperates the two albums. I can't be interested in many of the songs on DGSS because for me the melodies are sub par. Especially if I take my guitar out and try to play them. But I like how you assume that people were fooled into liking HFB. And then you use an album where only 3 tracks use strings prominently, but then say one of the three was great. So there are only 3 songs on the album. Use a better example next time. nah... you got it all wrong. I didn't say everyone was fooled, i said it can fool "a lot of people", i didn't even imply that it was the majority of people who bought that album. Heck, i myself bought it. Oh And i didn't just mention the strings, maybe read more carefully next time?
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Post by spaneli on Feb 18, 2012 16:29:37 GMT -5
My point was that strings can't fix bad songwriting or bad melodies. I'd take the worst melody on HFB over most on DGSS. And I think that's what seperates the two albums. I can't be interested in many of the songs on DGSS because for me the melodies are sub par. Especially if I take my guitar out and try to play them. But I like how you assume that people were fooled into liking HFB. And then you use an album where only 3 tracks use strings prominently, but then say one of the three was great. So there are only 3 songs on the album. Use a better example next time. nah... you got it all wrong. I didn't say everyone was fooled, i said it can fool "a lot of people", i didn't even imply that it was the majority of people who bought that album. Heck, i myself bought it. Oh And i didn't just mention the strings, maybe read more carefully next time? There were three song that features choirs more prominently (I think IIHAG might be a fourth). So maybe listen more carefully? So how many are you saying were fooled by strings then? Some? Most? All? You said "a lot" were fooled into thinking that some of the tracks with strings on the album were good. Why name the entire album as an example? Why say "example NHB'? Maybe you need to write better? Edit: Actually I'll take that back. Only 3 have choirs. Looking at album liner notes. And what are you defining as layering? Do you even know what it is? So yeah, maybe listen a bit more closely? I don't know. I think you just tried to make a point without thinking through the actual point you were trying to make.
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Post by truefaith on Feb 18, 2012 16:47:44 GMT -5
I think the better question is, "The style that Beady Eye now have in making an album, in terms of the time taken toward writing and in studio. Is that method the most conducive for them to consistently make good music?" I don't know the answer to that. I don't think any of us truly know the answer that. But I hope that Beady Eye does. I was only talking about the time they spent writting songs, not the time in the studio. But I think the first production was too simple, not very interesting, some strings can make some songs better or at least bigger. But I think they do it fast cause they like to work, Liam doesn't really like time off, he was always complaining that Oasis was taking 3 years between albums. He was happier in the 90's when they never stopped touring and recording I guess. If the album is great written in a year I'll be glad, but I'm not sure of it yet.
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Post by gdforever on Feb 18, 2012 16:50:35 GMT -5
Basically we won't know if it's been rushed until we hear it.
It seems to have happened very quickly if they are indeed finished and I hope they aren't rushing to get it out because they really don't have any momentum to kill at this point. The hype fizzled after only a few weeks really. And 2 middling albums will do them more harm than taking extra time to do it well.
If they have the songs then they have the songs. Tunes don't need to be worked over for ages to be good on record. Morning Glory is amazing and I seem to remember the recording only took a couple weeks.
All they need is inspiration. If they are inspired and have a vision then they probably can work pretty quick since they are experienced musician.
I do hope they have good quality control. IMO DGSS shouldn't have been 13 tracks. But the threw everything they had at it so the result was some duff tracks are on there that actually detract from the album.
If I never heard SOTEOTN again it'll be too soonz
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Post by spaneli on Feb 18, 2012 16:52:54 GMT -5
I think the better question is, "The style that Beady Eye now have in making an album, in terms of the time taken toward writing and in studio. Is that method the most conducive for them to consistently make good music?" I don't know the answer to that. I don't think any of us truly know the answer that. But I hope that Beady Eye does. I was only talking about the time they spent writting songs, not the time in the studio. But I think the first production was too simple, not very interesting, some strings can make some songs better or at least bigger. But I think they do it fast cause they like to work, Liam doesn't really like time off, he was always complaining that Oasis was taking 3 years between albums. He was happier in the 90's when they never stopped touring and recording I guess. If the album is great written in a year I'll be glad, but I'm not sure of it yet. Fair enough.
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Post by Silence Dogood on Feb 18, 2012 16:57:14 GMT -5
oh dear spaneli.. you try so hard lol it's amusing though, i'll give you that.
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Post by spaneli on Feb 18, 2012 17:03:16 GMT -5
oh dear spaneli.. you try so hard lol it's amusing though, i'll give you that. And you fail so easily.
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Post by truefaith on Feb 18, 2012 17:07:21 GMT -5
nah... you got it all wrong. I didn't say everyone was fooled, i said it can fool "a lot of people", i didn't even imply that it was the majority of people who bought that album. Heck, i myself bought it. Oh And i didn't just mention the strings, maybe read more carefully next time? There were three song that features choirs more prominently (I think IIHAG might be a fourth). So maybe listen more carefully? So how many are you saying were fooled by strings then? Some? Most? All? You said "a lot" were fooled into thinking that some of the tracks with strings on the album were good. I don't agree with his point but I understand what he says. The production on HFB is loud, big, sometimes it's even fat (IIHAG didn't need all those guitars, an acoustic version would have been more beautiful). This kind of production can make a song look more important that it really is. Ans when you take it all off, the song isn't that great (STC can be an example actually) But I disagree in HBF because most of the time it's the reserve scenario with Noel. He had always overproduced song and when he just played them in accoustic guitar they were revealed in their beauty (IIAG or SCYHO are good example of good songs with too fat production).
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Post by Silence Dogood on Feb 18, 2012 20:38:32 GMT -5
oh dear spaneli.. you try so hard lol it's amusing though, i'll give you that. And you fail so easily. you really don't know how much laughter your posts provide me with(sometimes). it's awesome.
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Post by spaneli on Feb 18, 2012 20:48:58 GMT -5
you really don't know how much laughter your posts provide me with(sometimes). it's awesome. If you really knew how much laughter your posts provide some of the forum, you wouldn't post. It's sad how you actually think that somehow you're being witty or something, when many times you're just the fool. But keep thinking that it's awesome. It's probably the only way you're able to keep showing up around here.
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Post by Silence Dogood on Feb 18, 2012 22:16:05 GMT -5
you really don't know how much laughter your posts provide me with(sometimes). it's awesome. If you really knew how much laughter your posts provide some of the forum, you wouldn't post. It's sad how you actually think that somehow you're being witty or something, when many times you're just the fool. But keep thinking that it's awesome. It's probably the only way you're able to keep showing up around here. still laughing at your naivety. man, do you really think i give a flyin' fuck what 3 sad cvnts from some online forum think? lol i'm starting to feel sorry for you now. Come on spaneli, i thought you were better than that. Boy was i wrong.
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Post by thomas09 on Feb 19, 2012 5:06:32 GMT -5
I think the better question is, "The style that Beady Eye now have in making an album, in terms of the time taken toward writing and in studio. Is that method the most conducive for them to consistently make good music?" I don't know the answer to that. I don't think any of us truly know the answer that. But I hope that Beady Eye does. oh lord they've only made one album, i doubt they already have a set in stone method to making albums... people need to calm down, they already said multiple times that the first album was mainly an experiment. liam said they wanted a number one album so if they didnt achieve that last time then they are obviously going to change things round a bit. andy and gem were in two moderately successful bands before oasis and liams been making albums since 94 so i THINK they know what they're doing
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2012 8:58:14 GMT -5
At the people saying it might be rushed how long do you think it takes to write three or four songs each, a year is plenty long enough, they'll have been messing about on tour no doubt and will have had songs left over (I'd imagine) from DGSS.
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Post by Rolo on Feb 19, 2012 9:27:04 GMT -5
Hoping this is a song for the new album, was recorded at their soundcheck in Brazil. Imagine that with Liam vocals over it, could be HUGE.
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Post by J-200 on Feb 19, 2012 10:29:54 GMT -5
Hoping this is a song for the new album, was recorded at their soundcheck in Brazil. Imagine that with Liam vocals over it, could be HUGE. It sounds a bit like Bring It On Down. But yes, it could be amazing.
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Post by spaneli on Feb 19, 2012 11:43:29 GMT -5
I think the better question is, "The style that Beady Eye now have in making an album, in terms of the time taken toward writing and in studio. Is that method the most conducive for them to consistently make good music?" I don't know the answer to that. I don't think any of us truly know the answer that. But I hope that Beady Eye does. oh lord they've only made one album, i doubt they already have a set in stone method to making albums... people need to calm down, they already said multiple times that the first album was mainly an experiment. liam said they wanted a number one album so if they didnt achieve that last time then they are obviously going to change things round a bit. andy and gem were in two moderately successful bands before oasis and liams been making albums since 94 so i THINK they know what they're doing Thomas, before you quote my quotes and then type responses, how we agree to do this: to try and find the point where you think my quote is wrong. Now, where do you see it that I say that they have "method that is set in stone"? Because I can't find it. As a matter of fact, my quote agrees more with you're saying than disagreeing with what you're saying. I'm saying that they're "method" or style is still fluid and that it hasn't been "set in stone". That they can still feel out how long it takes for them as a group to make a better album. And what is most conducive for the group.
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Post by deasy on Feb 19, 2012 13:23:35 GMT -5
Hoping this is a song for the new album, was recorded at their soundcheck in Brazil. Imagine that with Liam vocals over it, could be HUGE. Sounds like they are doing a cover of Reason Is Treason to me
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Post by hypermyth on Feb 19, 2012 14:22:06 GMT -5
MG was recorded in two weeks, so why can't BDI2 be good ?as far i'm concerned i think that recording it in more time won't make it better
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Post by deadman on Feb 19, 2012 14:32:01 GMT -5
MG was recorded in two weeks, so why can't BDI2 be good ?as far i'm concerned i think that recording it in more time won't make it better Rushing a follow up to a massively selling and highly acclaimed album is one thing. Rushing a follow up to something which only got lukewarm praise at best is another.
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