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Post by starwillshine on Jan 31, 2012 12:14:24 GMT -5
www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/16788316How humiliating is this for Liam? All this must take its toll on him, watching his brother smash it as a solo star, up for 4 awards godlike genius etc and his band is up for worst band of the year along with the like of One Direction? This will just add to the public preception of Liam and him being "untalented living of his brother" "Look theres that singer from Oasis up for villain of the year" "Yeah he's a complete tit" get my drift? thoughts?
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Post by dion on Jan 31, 2012 13:16:37 GMT -5
Up against Muse... who whatever you think of them aren't anywhere near the worst band of the year.
It's the "who do Radiohead fans dislike the most" award.
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Post by bobbyp on Jan 31, 2012 17:37:17 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Oasis won best and worst band one year ha... may be wrong.
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Post by spaneli on Jan 31, 2012 18:01:55 GMT -5
Up against Muse... who whatever you think of them aren't anywhere near the worst band of the year.
It's the "who do Radiohead fans dislike the most" award. Hate this. Be a bit more original. It's amazing how Radiohead keeps being called an indie band with a small fanbase, yet every time something bad happens to a Gallagher in the public sphere, somehow the large mysterious Radiohead fan empire got to them. Obviously it's not Radiohead fans because how did Noel get four nominations? Yeah, it's a grand conspiracy. You probably don't mean much of the things I just said. But I just find the Radiohead fanbase thing to be a dead horse that almost everyone on this forum beats as a reason why a Gallagher is being put down. It's tiring, it's lazy. Find another excuse. Please. |
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Post by thomas09 on Jan 31, 2012 18:10:03 GMT -5
radiohead are an ok band, but i think if i listened to one of their albums in one sitting id kill myself. heres a great example  |
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Post by manualex on Jan 31, 2012 18:11:43 GMT -5
Up against Muse... who whatever you think of them aren't anywhere near the worst band of the year.
It's the "who do Radiohead fans dislike the most" award. Hate this. Be a bit more original. It's amazing how Radiohead keeps being called an indie band with a small fanbase, yet every time something bad happens to a Gallagher in the public sphere, somehow the large mysterious Radiohead fan empire got to them. Obviously it's not Radiohead fans because how did Noel get four nominations? Yeah, it's a grand conspiracy. You probably don't mean much of the things I just said. But I just find the Radiohead fanbase thing to be a dead horse that almost everyone on this forum beats as a reason why a Gallagher is being put down. It's tiring, it's lazy. Find another excuse. Please. Some people fear of the unknown, in this forum i think Radiohead is the form of that fear. I don't like Radiohead but i don't blame them for anything that goes wrong with anyone but themselves. |
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Post by truefaith on Jan 31, 2012 18:26:06 GMT -5
Up against Muse... who whatever you think of them aren't anywhere near the worst band of the year.
It's the "who do Radiohead fans dislike the most" award. Hate this. Be a bit more original. It's amazing how Radiohead keeps being called an indie band with a small fanbase, yet every time something bad happens to a Gallagher in the public sphere, somehow the large mysterious Radiohead fan empire got to them. Obviously it's not Radiohead fans because how did Noel get four nominations? Yeah, it's a grand conspiracy. You probably don't mean much of the things I just said. But I just find the Radiohead fanbase thing to be a dead horse that almost everyone on this forum beats as a reason why a Gallagher is being put down. It's tiring, it's lazy. Find another excuse. Please. In what world? Radiohead is a huge band. One the most succesfull band in rock for the last 20 years. |
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Post by spaneli on Jan 31, 2012 19:29:58 GMT -5
Hate this. Be a bit more original. It's amazing how Radiohead keeps being called an indie band with a small fanbase, yet every time something bad happens to a Gallagher in the public sphere, somehow the large mysterious Radiohead fan empire got to them. Obviously it's not Radiohead fans because how did Noel get four nominations? Yeah, it's a grand conspiracy. You probably don't mean much of the things I just said. But I just find the Radiohead fanbase thing to be a dead horse that almost everyone on this forum beats as a reason why a Gallagher is being put down. It's tiring, it's lazy. Find another excuse. Please. In what world? Radiohead is a huge band. One the most succesfull band in rock for the last 20 years. Sme people still count them as an indie band. Or a critical darling that will fade once the crtical spotlight leaves them. Or a band with a just an okay fanbase. Nothing too big. |
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Post by Silence Dogood on Jan 31, 2012 20:37:21 GMT -5
radiohead are an ok band, but i think if i listened to one of their albums in one sitting id kill myself. heres a great example they're creeps  I really like a few songs on Ok Computer and Kid A. Their last album was the most boring piece of crap ever imo. I don't find anything interesting about them as personalities and since the music alone doesn't do anything for me... As for what this does to Liam's ego... i really don't know, it is the NME. It's not like it's the New York Times, All Music Guide or someone that matters saying these things. |
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Post by gdforever on Jan 31, 2012 21:16:34 GMT -5
It's not the NME journalist though...it's the readers. Which kind of sucks. A band like Muse, Coldplay, Oasis, etc could care less. They had/have fanbases that dwarfed the haters in truth. I find it funny blaming the Radiohead fans. IMO the NME is more inclined towards obssessing over something Oasis related than something Radiohead related. Let's be fair...the NME reader has generally been pretty Oasis friendly. From what I understand the Liam and Noel covers were some of their best selling this past year. Whatever, though. It won't matter. Doubt anyone looked at the award nominations and saw Beady Eye on the worst band list and changed their mind to not liking them. Never good to get attention like that when you are trying to build your brand though. |
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Post by dion on Feb 1, 2012 6:56:47 GMT -5
Up against Muse... who whatever you think of them aren't anywhere near the worst band of the year.
It's the "who do Radiohead fans dislike the most" award. Hate this. Be a bit more original. It's amazing how Radiohead keeps being called an indie band with a small fanbase, yet every time something bad happens to a Gallagher in the public sphere, somehow the large mysterious Radiohead fan empire got to them. Obviously it's not Radiohead fans because how did Noel get four nominations? Yeah, it's a grand conspiracy. You probably don't mean much of the things I just said. But I just find the Radiohead fanbase thing to be a dead horse that almost everyone on this forum beats as a reason why a Gallagher is being put down. It's tiring, it's lazy. Find another excuse. Please. Radiohead has a massive very internet friendly fanbase, probably the biggest on the web. These are voted for by the public so these awards for the "worst" category always end up being dominated by the pet hates of the biggest fanbases. This is why Muse are up there for both, they have a lot of fans and a lot of 'haters' and the fans can't vote "against" Muse being nominated directly. Noel is nominated 4 times because his album has been very popular, Oasis have a massive fanbase and he's high profile at the moment. The amount of fans Oasis has on NME (and there are many, probably why Muse is on there) is irrelevant because they can't vote for Liam not to be on there. Liam Gallagher is on the villain list because he's the face of everything about Oasis that the more alternative (and that doesn't mean small) music fans (which probably includes plenty of Muse fans) hate. The villain and worst music awards aren't popularity contests, they're a contest of who has the most people who dislike them. If one large group has a particular dislike of a person or group (and the Radiohead fanbase by and large isn't all that keen on Oasis) then they are always going to pop up when there is an opportunity to vote against them. It's not an excuse, it's about the mechanics of the voting mechanism on "awards" like this. Radiohead has a large fanbase generally more technically savvy than usual who frequent NME regularly, it's predictable that they have large input on the awards that voting is lower on (than say best band), especially when they can't be actively counteracted by an opposing fanbase. |
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Post by rcknrollstar on Feb 1, 2012 8:06:09 GMT -5
How the fuck is Liam nominated for villain of the year? With all the charity stuff he's done for Japan, the benefit gig and the PG Japan t-shirt and all that. He brought up a good amount of money for that. Plus he's always great with fans, doesn't mind having a chat, signing items or doing a picture.
And Beady Eye worst band? They pull a great live show and Liam's in great form nowadays. NME has always been a shit magazine, trying to slag people off for no apparent reason.
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Post by Headmaster on Feb 1, 2012 11:44:19 GMT -5
How the fuck is Liam nominated for villain of the year? With all the charity stuff he's done for Japan, the benefit gig and the PG Japan t-shirt and all that. I was about to say just that. |
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Post by spaneli on Feb 1, 2012 11:47:14 GMT -5
Hate this. Be a bit more original. It's amazing how Radiohead keeps being called an indie band with a small fanbase, yet every time something bad happens to a Gallagher in the public sphere, somehow the large mysterious Radiohead fan empire got to them. Obviously it's not Radiohead fans because how did Noel get four nominations? Yeah, it's a grand conspiracy. You probably don't mean much of the things I just said. But I just find the Radiohead fanbase thing to be a dead horse that almost everyone on this forum beats as a reason why a Gallagher is being put down. It's tiring, it's lazy. Find another excuse. Please. Radiohead has a massive very internet friendly fanbase, probably the biggest on the web. These are voted for by the public so these awards for the "worst" category always end up being dominated by the pet hates of the biggest fanbases. This is why Muse are up there for both, they have a lot of fans and a lot of 'haters' and the fans can't vote "against" Muse being nominated directly. Noel is nominated 4 times because his album has been very popular, Oasis have a massive fanbase and he's high profile at the moment. The amount of fans Oasis has on NME (and there are many, probably why Muse is on there) is irrelevant because they can't vote for Liam not to be on there. Liam Gallagher is on the villain list because he's the face of everything about Oasis that the more alternative (and that doesn't mean small) music fans (which probably includes plenty of Muse fans) hate. The villain and worst music awards aren't popularity contests, they're a contest of who has the most people who dislike them. If one large group has a particular dislike of a person or group (and the Radiohead fanbase by and large isn't all that keen on Oasis) then they are always going to pop up when there is an opportunity to vote against them. It's not an excuse, it's about the mechanics of the voting mechanism on "awards" like this. Radiohead has a large fanbase generally more technically savvy than usual who frequent NME regularly, it's predictable that they have large input on the awards that voting is lower on (than say best band), especially when they can't be actively counteracted by an opposing fanbase. It's an excuse imo. To blame everything as a grand conspiracy against Radiohead fans. As if they have nothing better to do than to continue on with the hating of everything Gallagher. It gets used as an excuse far too much on this forum. How about what GD said, the NME readership just doesn't like Liam (or Noel sometimes). It's not like a group gets started on facebook or some massive plan is started by Radiohead fans or there's some secret pact that says whenever a Radiohead fan sees something Gallagher they have to hate and vote against it. I'm a massive Radiohead fan. Almost as big of a Radiohead fan as an Oasis fan, and I know plenty of Radiohead fans, and most really don't care enough about either of the Gallagher to really vote against them. At least the ones I know. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 1, 2012 12:02:20 GMT -5
It's just the NME trying to get more publicity by continuing the Noel/Liam spat.
Think about it: Noel's album is worthy enough to be listed amongst the best of the year. Liam's album isn't as good, so it can't be considered as such. Furthermore, it's not horrible and nor has Liam done anything that would warrant his being on that list, so he can't really be called a villain. The NME are just doing it because one Gallagher is already listed, so to have the second Gallagher listed as well, especially in contrasting categories, would spark interest.
It's nothing more than a publicity stunt. Ergo, it's not embarrassing at all for Liam.
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Post by dion on Feb 1, 2012 13:36:35 GMT -5
Radiohead has a massive very internet friendly fanbase, probably the biggest on the web. These are voted for by the public so these awards for the "worst" category always end up being dominated by the pet hates of the biggest fanbases. This is why Muse are up there for both, they have a lot of fans and a lot of 'haters' and the fans can't vote "against" Muse being nominated directly. Noel is nominated 4 times because his album has been very popular, Oasis have a massive fanbase and he's high profile at the moment. The amount of fans Oasis has on NME (and there are many, probably why Muse is on there) is irrelevant because they can't vote for Liam not to be on there. Liam Gallagher is on the villain list because he's the face of everything about Oasis that the more alternative (and that doesn't mean small) music fans (which probably includes plenty of Muse fans) hate. The villain and worst music awards aren't popularity contests, they're a contest of who has the most people who dislike them. If one large group has a particular dislike of a person or group (and the Radiohead fanbase by and large isn't all that keen on Oasis) then they are always going to pop up when there is an opportunity to vote against them. It's not an excuse, it's about the mechanics of the voting mechanism on "awards" like this. Radiohead has a large fanbase generally more technically savvy than usual who frequent NME regularly, it's predictable that they have large input on the awards that voting is lower on (than say best band), especially when they can't be actively counteracted by an opposing fanbase. It's an excuse imo. To blame everything as a grand conspiracy against Radiohead fans. As if they have nothing better to do than to continue on with the hating of everything Gallagher. It gets used as an excuse far too much on this forum. How about what GD said, the NME readership just doesn't like Liam (or Noel sometimes). It's not like a group gets started on facebook or some massive plan is started by Radiohead fans or there's some secret pact that says whenever a Radiohead fan sees something Gallagher they have to hate and vote against it. I'm a massive Radiohead fan. Almost as big of a Radiohead fan as an Oasis fan, and I know plenty of Radiohead fans, and most really don't care enough about either of the Gallagher to really vote against them. At least the ones I know. Who said anything about a conspiracy? It's perfectly likely that a group of people will vote in a similar manner completely unprompted by anyone else. I'm not saying Radiohead fans are acting like the Illuminati to strike out the name Gallagher from the record books one mono-brow at a time. The way these polls work (where there is no interaction between the fanbases to counterbalance opinions) is that the pet hates of the largest fanbases end up taking a beating (see Muse). As for the "I'm a Radiohead fan" argument (somewhat inevitable), I am as well, we're not in the majority. Once again, it isn't an "excuse" any more than it is an "excuse" for Muse. It's the way that these awards work, the voting mechanics mean high profile celebrities that polarize opinion (Muse, Liam Gallagher) get thrown in. |
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Post by Shockmaster on Feb 1, 2012 13:43:56 GMT -5
NME are just fucking wankers anyway...
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Post by gdforever on Feb 1, 2012 13:50:18 GMT -5
Aren't the nominations voted by the readers?
Liam and Noel were both villains a couple years ago. And Noel was also nominated as a hero. So not much has changed in that respect other than that people are obviously just a bit less pissed at Noel this year. Probably just a because the split is 2 years ago now.
As for the worst band. I wouldn't doubt they got that authentically as well. Every NME reader has to be aware of BDI but judging by sales not that many are fans. Same reason Viva Brother got a nomination. I think it's a function of their hype and exposure outweighing their objective success amongst the readers of this particular magazine.
But it's not the Radiohead fans. If it had anything to do with Radiohead fans then Radiohead would have been up for SOMETHING. They're not up for an award as a band, KoL isn't up, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2012 14:44:23 GMT -5
I wouldn't have thought Radiohead fans particularly give a shit about Oasis' success either way.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2012 15:01:01 GMT -5
I don't like being a dick, but . . .
PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT RADIOHEAD FANS VS. OASIS FANS VS. MUSE FANS VS. COLDPLAY FANS!!!!
This thread has turned into non-sense. Who gives a shit? Fucking hell.
(I might just be in a shit mood. For that, I apologize to anyone who I have offended.)
For the record, "the proof is in the pudding." Oasis still have more #1 albums than Radiohead, Muse, or Coldplay, and they have more #1 Singles than the previously named three COMBINED to date. Clearly the most loved band (in England) over the last 15 or 20 years has to be Oasis, which is why Noel gets so much love lately. And Liam has always been seen as the unstable, unreliable fuck-up from the beginning, which is why he is getting slated lately. It really doesn't matter, because people are still buying their records and paying them to make music.
Cheers!
Blame lack of sleep!
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Post by truefaith on Feb 1, 2012 17:35:15 GMT -5
Anyway I'm sick of the media portraying Liam as an evil moron when he's very funny, smart and the last true authentic rock star.
He may seem naive sometimes, but for me he hasn't change one bit since the release of DM. Still honest, true to himsel, always saying what he thinks and doesn't give a shit about what people think. A real rock star, one a the greatest.
If that's being a villain then NME should stop speaking about rockn roll sine they obviously haven't understand anything to it.
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Post by shaokahnage on Feb 1, 2012 17:44:59 GMT -5
NME are like the Radio 1 of magazines, except instead of pop/dance they bum indie music instead, that being said im buying the Noel issue tomorrow
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 1, 2012 22:04:00 GMT -5
I told you lot why the NME picked Liam as the "Villain" and yet the debate on here continues? Really?
It's about selling issues. If Noel wasn't a serious contender for Best Album, or whatever, Liam wouldn't have been listed. It's all about marketing and continuing the Gallagher feud. It's really not that hard to understand.
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Post by gdforever on Feb 1, 2012 22:17:16 GMT -5
I told you lot why the NME picked Liam as the "Villain" and yet the debate on here continues? Really? It's about selling issues. If Noel wasn't a serious contender for Best Album, or whatever, Liam wouldn't have been listed. It's all about marketing and continuing the Gallagher feud. It's really not that hard to understand. That's on the premise of assuming that the NME picked the nominees or a committee. That the NME are in full control of the nomination choices. That isn't the case. The nominations are from readers votes from what I understand. Which I am inclined to believe because no committee would be moronic to nominate Oasis for best British and worst band in the same year which I believe has happened before. Or a couple years ago list Noel for hero and villain at the same set of ceremonies. So try again. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2012 23:21:22 GMT -5
NME are just fucking wankers anyway... Well said, Tom. The NME are getting progressively worse and aren't worth the time. That said, this is voted for by the people, so if you all disagree make it a point to vote! |
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