Sure Noel was singing from the begining, but mostly b sides. (great b sides that's for sure). But between 2002 and 2008, Noel has let Liam sings only 8 of his songs. That's shocking !
(PAITM, SCYHO, The Hindu Times , Lyla, LTBL, BIU, The Turning and TSOTL)

And he let some great songs aside for years like RM.
And I've no problem with Noel singing TIOBI for example, but Noel singing MF wasn't the right choice.
From 2002, Noel was just singing too much IMO. If he had continued with one track as lead singer on the album, an a few more on b sides, and didn't let the others write so much, that would have been great.
So basically if he hadn't changed the oasis formula that much, even if the songs weren't as great as they used to be.

True

And to Silence, in your opinion, nothing touches the stuff from the Oasis hey day, but in my opinion I find that to be untrue. What makes HFB's a great album is because EOTR is on there and IIHAG. IIHAG is probably the best track Noel has done since DGA and EOTR is definitely the best he has done since DGA.

In my opinion, it's one of things that separates his album from Beady Eye's. (probably gonna piss someone off that I'm comparing the two). But I can put EOTR on WSTMG and not hear a drop off in quality. I can put IIHAG on WTSMG and not notice a drop off in quality. I can put either of those two songs on The Masterplan and definitely not notice a drop off in quality.

HFB is a great album because EOTR and IIHAG would and could stand along some of the best Oasis tracks and not feel bashful or weighed down by the task. It's a great album because even the second tier songs, AKA...BA, TDOYAM, and RM would be album highlights on any of the post 2000 era albums, and would have been damn good b-sides, even during the hey day of Oasis. Even the lower tier songs, STC, AKA...WAL, SOTWB, would be damn good tracks on any of the post 2000 albums. I know everyone has their own taste, but to dismiss that entire album, save for two songs just for "delivery", is b.s. in my opinion.

Delivery's got nothing to do with it. The songs on HFB are genuinely great and many stand up through any era. In my opinion, Noel had the goods and put them across the finish line and proved many of his doubters wrong. Or the people who said that he wasn't capable of writing or making an album at high level.

exactly but there are those Noel supporters who don't wanna hear any of that. It's rather very simple really. If Liam's voice would take song "x" to a whole 'nother level, how could we say said song is a 10? it would automatically have to be something lower. it's only common sense, it's called logic but again, a select part of Noel's fanbase simply hate hearing this.

Just to throw my two pence worth here, just wanted to say not ONCE have I even thought about Liam singing ANY of HFB songs. They ain't part of the "What If" game because they was written/recorded (even re-recorded) for this album and this album only (save for RM and STC which both sound too similar to the demos from DBTT its almost appalling).

This is, to me at least, the same as creating the "8th Oasis Album" by mixing together both albums. They was written and recorded at different times, this is truely pointless and I absolutly no ground in anything like this. As Liam sings on KFAD "You can carry regrets but they won't let you live." Don't get yourself down in saying, what if etc on songs that Noel is singing on HIS solo album.

To me it seems natural to imagine what Liam may have sounded like on a Noel song but to say that someone can't rate a song a 10 just because it doesnt have Liam singing is ridiculous. This sort of theory means that no song ever can be rated a ten becuase the guitar, drums, bass, vocals could have been played better in a different way on the track but because we will never know then it automatically downgraded.

If however a theoretical version of EOTR with Liam singing did surface and it turned out the song was better then it would be more logical to rate the Liam one a 10 and the Noel one a 9 but because this wont actually happen the Noel sung one canbe rated a 10. It is also entirely possible that the Liam sung version is not better as it is total speculation and we will never know so to instantly dismiss the Noel version as not as good as Liams version would be and vice versa is nonsensical.

Exactly my point. Thank you.

Downgrading a song from a 10 because a group doesn't have your favorite singer in it? No way, IMO.

And like you say...it's not a certainty that Liam's vocals would have been mega.

Which is what I meant when I said about the SCYHO comments. I don't think that Liam's voice significantly helped that song. In fact I think that vocal is atrocious. Same with LTBL. Those being the last 2 really epic Oasis ballads that Liam sang. Neither of the vocal really blow me away.

That is not to say that I don't think that Liam has a great voice. Without a doubt Liam has better vocal tone than Noel.

But the assumption that obviously Liam would obviously have put out an amazing vocal al la DGA, Wonderwall, Cast No Shadow, Slide Away doesn't fly with me. He isn't flawless in studio...he's better in studio than live...but hardly faultless.

Liam voice is much better on DGSS. But I actually think that his vocals have improved because of the fact that Andy and Gem build this song around his voice and they used some vocal effects on several tracks. Liam wouldn't have had that benfit if Oasis had stayed together. I have a feeling we would have been more likely to get something closer strained vocal like on SCYHO or LTBL than one of those truly epic 1990's Oasis ballads or even the vocals on the lesser ballads on DGSS.

I think it's a little pathetic that a mutually exclusive Beady Eye thread, in which I was putting forth what I think their next album has to be, has turned into something that mirrors about a thousand other threads on this forum, the endless what ifs with Liam and Noel. Beady Eye have about as much to do with Noel as Bob Dole does with legitimate politics. It's almost as absurd as a claim made by NL4E a little while ago that IIHAG should have been on Be Here Now. Like time distortion isn't already fucked enough.

While I'm here though, I'll throw a few thoughts into the wishing fountain. In regards to your claim Spaneli, that IIHAG and EOTR would nestle well into WTSMG, you fail to see that is a disillusioned pipedream distorted by perception of novelty. I don't claim to be Nostradamus (he was too aloof for my liking), but I think you take for granted what you are already well familiar with. Sidling IIHAG against WW and DLBIA would make it seem crass, brittle and Noel by numbers - the same that is said so often about Little By Little.

Had 'Hello' or 'Roll With It' or 'Hey Now' been removed from WTSMG in favour of 'Rockin' Chair', 'Acquiesce' or 'Underneath the SKy', it is the former group of songs that we would be hailing amongst the greatest b-sides of the modern era. Thus, the reputation and standing of the latter group would have dimmed significantly, as they wouldn't be the lost golden tracks that we so covet - the mythicism that so often coats Oasis' b-sides.

I use this analogy because had IIHAG not been so much more anthemic and melodically accessible than anything Oasis released post DBTT (for the record 'The Importance of Being Idle' is still the greatest NG composition post Be Here Now, not IIHAG), had it been released in the era in which Noel was writing classic songs as fast as any contemporary songwriter since the sixties, it would have been swept under the haze of more accomplished songs and no doubt relegated to b-side status. In fact, its tame lyrical content would make an appearance on The Masterplan debatable, I mean at least HTWA and TT were honest, heartfelt odes to what he was feeling at the time ...what does IIHAG have going for it?

IIHAG and EOTR were released during an era where it is easy for a very good Noel song to stand out amongst his weaker tracks, they were released on an album in which they clearly rise above the others around them. Perception is distorted. It's like saying that had Wonderwall been released today, at the advent of the Youtube and Spotify era, where exposure is leaps and bounds ahead of what it was fifteen years ago, it would have gone number one in America and had 300 millions views on Youtube.

In regards to EOTR, I don't know what people would be willing to expect with a Liam rendition of it anyway. Noel's vocal on it is up there with TIOBI as one of the best he's ever done. What Liam voice would make it better? His 1990s voice maybe, but his post-2000 voice? Not a chance. Like 'Keep the Dream Alive' and 'Stop Crying Your Heart Out' (as gdforever has so rightly has pointed out numerous times) before it, his ragged and weary voice would have most likely destroyed the song, whilst Noel's clearly takes up to that 'other' level, that so many are presumptuosly associating with a Liam take on it. Everyone here was taken aback with Noel's performance on it the first time we heard it, it is one of the few occasions where his power and instensity is almost on par with his brother at his height. You get something absolutely brilliant and yet you ask for something more. You sound like a bunch of ungrateful gluttons to me.

I just realized that despite my bemoaning about how this thread has gone off topic, I have probably gone off topic more than anyone else here. This is awkward

As Liam sung Noel writtens songs for years the inclination to wonder who should sing which Noel written song is natural. Most Noel sung songs I just can't imagine Liam singing and it just wudn't work like TIOBI being the obvious example, he would have ruined that song.

However with NGHFB we know potenially that Liam woud have sung RM, STC and maybe one of EOTR and IFHAG if not both if they had of been released as Oasis songs. I'd agree that saying Liam would have took them to a new level is speculative and the idea of a song never reachig a so called 10/10 because Liam didn't sing it is ridiculous. Yes, Liams voice can make a big impact for instance I wudn't really class Slide Away a classic if I just heard Noel's version, Liam elevates it to a whole new level but there are so many great Noel sung songs where you wouldn't even think about Liam singing them.
I think that's the key word 'think'. When I listened to TDOYAM, WAL, DO, BA and more I never even thought about Liam singing them but with others I automotically imagined Liam singing them. Similarily and this could be controversial, I think Noel would have done a better vocal on I'm Outta Time (I've said it now!) I can just imagine his voice suiting it better.

What are you possibly talking about? Not once in those quotes did I say IIHAG should have been on BHN. Not once.

Maybe you misunderstood. What those quotes you picked are saying is the NGHFB should have followed WTSMG (which is VERY different from saying NGHFB songs should have been on BHN).

A little thought exercise for you:

If Oasis albums went as such - DM, WTSMG, NGHFB....it would NOT mean NGHFB would have been BHN. I have no idea what you're thinking.....When people discuss that the Masterplan should have been Oasis' 3rd album, do you think they mean the songs should have been included on BHN, too? No idea why you're muddling this up.

Think about it.

Could you imagine Liam's reaction?

"I'm a what? I'm not yer fucking bird, fuck that"

Actually, now that I think about it, EOTR would have been almost identical to SCYHO with Liam's vocals. With that being said, I'm glad it was handled by Noel as Noel did a phenomenal job.

Oh, and I wouldn't want Liam anywhere near IIHAG. That song is utter perfection.

Yes, if only Noel had sung every songs on DM and MG and every other album. Can you imagine the phenomenal job he would have done on CS, WW, Cigs and alcoho, supersonic, slide away, SMS, My big Mouth and so on.
How great could it be if Liam was never a part of Oasis. Imagine how awesome Knebworth could have been, sure Noel solo at Knebworth would have sold out at least 3 more nights without this monkey moron calling himself a frontman.
Too bad he made a band with his brother, waiting 20 years to finally hear him solo was too long.