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Post by gdforever on Jan 30, 2012 14:02:33 GMT -5
I think Elvis would have sounded great on The Masterplan so it can't be a ten  |
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Post by truefaith on Jan 30, 2012 14:06:02 GMT -5
I think Elvis could have sounded great singing The Masterplan...so it can't be a ten. Well it can be weird imagining what a Noel's song would have been if Liam had sung on it? Is it? Even when Oasis were together, there's not a single Noel's sung song where I havent' asked myself, "what would it be with Liam". Well maybe except TIOBI and the masterplan. |
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Post by gdforever on Jan 30, 2012 14:19:20 GMT -5
Just a bit of a useless criteria now. Oasis are over.
Theorizing Liam's voice on a HFB track is like theorizing Richard Ashcrofts or Damon Albarns or Mick Jagger's.
I think that Liam should have sung MF for instance. Because that is possible. I think Oasis made the wrong decision there. But Noel didn't have that option for EOTR.
I don't knock every other groups songs based on whether the singer is as good as Liam Gallagher.
It was a facetious comment about dismissing songs as less worthy because of something that was impossible.
Heater Skelter would have been better with Hendrix on guitar. Ray Charles should have sang The Drugs Don't Work. And Mani should have played bass on Rock 'n Rolls Star.
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Post by truefaith on Jan 30, 2012 14:29:27 GMT -5
Just a bit of a useless criteria now. Oasis are over. Theorizing Liam's voice on a HFB track is like theorizing Richard Ashcrofts or Damon Albarns or Mick Jagger's. I think that Liam should have sung MF for instance. Because that is possible. I think Oasis made the wrong decision there. But Noel didn't have that option for EOTR. I don't knock every other groups songs based on whether the singer is as good as Liam Gallagher. It was a facetious comment about dismissing songs as less worthy because of something that was impossible. Heater Skelter would have been better with Hendrix on guitar. Ray Charles should have sang The Drugs Don't Work. And Mani should have played bass on Rock 'n Rolls Star. Not the same and you know that, EBOTR was a song planned for oasis, and surely for Liam when Noel wrote it. I don't dismiss the song, it'll just be like that for me forever, when I hear Noel singing on a song that would have fit Liam. I don't miss Liam's voice on TDOYAM or BA for example, but I know EOTR would have been a masterpiece with him. With Liam some song can reach the sky, with Noel they're ready to fly very high but they just can't. As for MF, it's not an Oasis decision, it's an typical ego Noel's bad decision, I've read a Liam"s itw at the time saying that he made a version of the song and that the version "rocked". Noel said Liam couldn't sung it. I'm pretty sure that the day it will leak, it'll be muh better than Noel's version just like LDSMD was... |
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Post by gdforever on Jan 30, 2012 14:40:25 GMT -5
Just a bit of a useless criteria now. Oasis are over. Theorizing Liam's voice on a HFB track is like theorizing Richard Ashcrofts or Damon Albarns or Mick Jagger's. I think that Liam should have sung MF for instance. Because that is possible. I think Oasis made the wrong decision there. But Noel didn't have that option for EOTR. I don't knock every other groups songs based on whether the singer is as good as Liam Gallagher. It was a facetious comment about dismissing songs as less worthy because of something that was impossible. Heater Skelter would have been better with Hendrix on guitar. Ray Charles should have sang The Drugs Don't Work. And Mani should have played bass on Rock 'n Rolls Star. Not the same and you know that, EBOTR was a song planned for oasis, and surely for Liam when Noel wrote it. I don't dismiss the song, it'll just be like that for me forever, when I hear Noel singing on a song that would have fit Liam. I don't miss Liam's voice on TDOYAM or BA for example, but I know EOTR would have been a masterpiece with him. With Liam some song can reach the sky, with Noel they're ready to fly very high but they just can't. As for MF, it's not an Oasis decision, it's an typical ego Noel's bad decision, I've read a Liam"s itw at the time saying that he made a version of the song and that the version "rocked". Noel said Liam couldn't sung it. I'm pretty sure that the day it will leak, it'll be muh better than Noel's version just like LDSMD was... I actually like the LDSMD official version. I guess I think the EOTR vocals are great too. I'm fine with Liam not being on it because Liam isn't in the group that recorded it. |
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Post by truefaith on Jan 30, 2012 15:01:27 GMT -5
I actually like the LDSMD official version. I guess I think the EOTR vocals are great too. I'm fine with Liam not being on it because Liam isn't in the group that recorded it. Just because it's a fact that he couldn't have recorded it doesn't mean we have to be happy about it. Liam Gallagher is one on the greatest frontman and rok singer of all time, it's as simple as that, he's up there with Jagger, Rotten, Lennon, Iggy pop, Morrissey or Elvis. In 50 years, he'll still be remembered as one of the greatest singer rock ever had. It's only natural to miss him on Noel's album. He's not just a singer you can forget that easilly when his former songwritter bandmate stops writting for him. Noel's songwritting will ever be assiociated to Liam's voice, it'll be mention in every review of his future album. Not just because they are brothers, or enemy or in a media war but because Liam Gallagher is one of the best singer of all time. |
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Post by gdforever on Jan 30, 2012 15:06:12 GMT -5
Which I think is a pity. I don't think Oasis make another album even if they do a reunion tour. I'm happier taking Noel for what he is because the what if game is maddening. And I'll take BDI for what they are as well as long as they continue to release good quality albums. It's possible Liam could have elevated it like CS. Or he could have butchered it like SCYHO. I really am fine with not knowing.  |
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Post by Headmaster on Jan 30, 2012 16:06:39 GMT -5
I really didn't like DGSS, is too bland, not memorable and subpar material, I liked more ITBWAB and WOMR than anything on the album, FLW is great too and some songs like TMS and Millionaire are OK, but the rest is really bad IMO. Their next album will need a improvement.
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Jan 30, 2012 16:18:07 GMT -5
They have a solid enough fanbase. It isn't likely to grow, but then it isn't likely to shrink much either. They'll play to similar sized crowds regardless of whether the next album is brilliant or shite. If they add the Oasis tunes like they seem to be planning they will almost certianly play to bigger crowds regardless of the next albums success. Even if it's only 2-3 songs. Lots of people go to gigs only really knowing 2-3 of the acts songs. If they continue to play only BDI songs and the next album is only average again, I think their live audience may shink a bit. There were lots of fans caught up in the hype that went to several shows on this last tour. As time goes on there will only be fewer and fewer people that will continue to do that as the novelty of seeing Liam in a small venue wears off. Perhaps abroad, but not in the UK. They have their fanbase and that is that. The rest have already written them off and won't be swayed regardless of what they play. |
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Post by Silence Dogood on Jan 30, 2012 17:14:46 GMT -5
typical... as always, girl simply canNOT help herself lol
Actually, LDSMD is a great example. The song is kind of meh... Noel does a decent job but why the fuck was the Liam-sung version not released instead?
"but elvis would've sounded better singing it" so ridiculous, what else can one do but laugh.
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Post by masterplan2011 on Jan 30, 2012 17:28:43 GMT -5
Which I think is a pity. I don't think Oasis make another album even if they do a reunion tour. I'm happier taking Noel for what he is because the what if game is maddening. And I'll take BDI for what they are as well as long as they continue to release good quality albums. It's possible Liam could have elevated it like CS. Or he could have butchered it like SCYHO. I really am fine with not knowing. Isn't the "what if game" half the reason we go on this forum though? I have to admit that I also keep thinking about Liam singing EOTR and ASGOG. Any time Liam gets mentioned on this section everybody starts saying 'what's the point talking about Liam, Oasis is over blah blah" but it's only natural to made the association and usually it's interesting to think about. At least it's not Youtube where every video gets compared to Justin Bieber. |
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Post by Silence Dogood on Jan 30, 2012 18:49:09 GMT -5
exactly, you're 100% correct(about the what-if thing). But no it's not everyone that gets all defensive and over sensitive and starts saying "oasis is over, don't talk about Liam singing Noel's songs", it's just a select group of users. Best thing you can do is ignore them or do what i have to do sometimes and very politely try to "reason" with them. most of the time it's to no avail. Gd is a good user though, she just has her mood swings.
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Post by gdforever on Jan 30, 2012 20:19:58 GMT -5
Which I think is a pity. I don't think Oasis make another album even if they do a reunion tour. I'm happier taking Noel for what he is because the what if game is maddening. And I'll take BDI for what they are as well as long as they continue to release good quality albums. It's possible Liam could have elevated it like CS. Or he could have butchered it like SCYHO. I really am fine with not knowing. Isn't the "what if game" half the reason we go on this forum though? I have to admit that I also keep thinking about Liam singing EOTR and ASGOG. Any time Liam gets mentioned on this section everybody starts saying 'what's the point talking about Liam, Oasis is over blah blah" but it's only natural to made the association and usually it's interesting to think about. At least it's not Youtube where every video gets compared to Justin Bieber. I am just not one of those that don't believe that a song can be a 10 just because Liam MIGHT sound good singing it. I think that the EOTR vocals are great and enhance the song very well. There is this myth that everything that Liam sang enhanced the song...which I don't totally buy into. I think SCYHO is an amazing song. But I listen to instrumental version of it because Liam's vocals kill it for me on the album version. And there are several other latter day tunes that I'm not keen on because of nasally or pinched vocals as well. The comment was directed at someone saying that it was a great song but couldn't be a 10 because it didn't have a Liam vocal. |
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Post by Silence Dogood on Jan 30, 2012 20:36:59 GMT -5
Obviously if you think Liam doesn't enhance the song, you don't wont think Liam's vocals can make it better. However let me just say, this isn't a "myth", it's something most people(not just people on this forum) agree with.
In the end it's all subjective... if you don't particularly think much of Liam's voice then there's no discussion to be had. A song Noel writes and sings can never be a 10 because in the back of people's minds it'll always be the question of not if but how much better it would sound if little bro was singing it.
There are exceptions to everything of course, The Masterplan being one of them. Let's not act like Noel's voice is on par with Liam's. It's not, it's not me saying it, it's not a few users on a fan forum, it's the world.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2012 21:21:41 GMT -5
...I have to admit that I also keep thinking about Liam singing EOTR and ASGOG... |
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Post by uboasis on Jan 30, 2012 22:29:46 GMT -5
Obviously if you think Liam doesn't enhance the song, you don't wont think Liam's vocals can make it better. However let me just say, this isn't a "myth", it's something most people(not just people on this forum) agree with. In the end it's all subjective... if you don't particularly think much of Liam's voice then there's no discussion to be had. A song Noel writes and sings can never be a 10 because in the back of people's minds it'll always be the question of not if but how much better it would sound if little bro was singing it. There are exceptions to everything of course, The Masterplan being one of them. Let's not act like Noel's voice is on par with Liam's. It's not, it's not me saying it, it's not a few users on a fan forum, it's the world. Noel's voice will never be on par with Liam in his hey-day. However, Noel's voice on EOTR is one of his best vocals ever, and I think this is one case where Liam would be hard-pressed to do better. I'm sure Liam would do great singing it. |
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Post by Silence Dogood on Jan 30, 2012 23:27:45 GMT -5
liam's voice may not be the force it once was live, but in studio, the guy is still the best singer in rock.
and for the record let's not pretend like noel hasn't struggled to perform certain songs on his tour.
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Post by truefaith on Jan 31, 2012 5:44:12 GMT -5
Noel's voice will never be on par with Liam in his hey-day. However, Noel's voice on EOTR is one of his best vocals ever, and I think this is one case where Liam would be hard-pressed to do better. I'm sure Liam would do great singing it. Noel can't reach most of the high notes live, he's drowned under the guitars, he doesn't seem confortable singing any song except for the ones he's well used to like DLIBA and the ones in accoutic. His singing on EOTR or RM are not very interisting and makes me miss Liam for a very simple reason : he imitates the way Liam sings. Liam sings great on SCYHO, Liam Gallagher is known as one of the best singer of all time, Noel Gallagher, as great songwritter as he is, is known to be a very average singe. He has his moment in accoustic, but with the full band, I'm looking for the good notes. I'm not very happy with medium, I prefer great, that's why I miss Liam's voice. But that's just my opinion. |
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Post by RocketMan on Jan 31, 2012 7:47:21 GMT -5
and for the record let's not pretend like noel hasn't struggled to perform certain songs on his tour. but for the record his vocal performances is still very good and i've never saw a bad performance by noel on this tour. he sounds good. he struggles with the falsett now and then but liam can't sing falsett since the be here now tour. so we shouldn't pretend that noel is anything near as worse as liam live |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2012 8:32:37 GMT -5
but for the record his vocal performances is still very good and i've never saw a bad performance by noel on this tour. he sounds good. he struggles with the falsett now and then but liam can't sing falsett since the be here now tour. so we shouldn't pretend that noel is anything near as worse as liam live
That said, I prefer Liams performances when hes with a perfect voice, mainly at the beginning of the tour, and some others here and then. |
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Post by truefaith on Jan 31, 2012 8:43:09 GMT -5
and for the record let's not pretend like noel hasn't struggled to perform certain songs on his tour. but for the record his vocal performances is still very good and i've never saw a bad performance by noel on this tour. he sounds good. he struggles with the falsett now and then but liam can't sing falsett since the be here now tour. so we shouldn't pretend that noel is anything near as worse as liam live Noel really doesn't sing especially good on this tour. Singing 20 songs instead of 5 isn't the same. As for Liam, a single good performance of him blows out an entire Noel tour. I'm not even talking about his great performances. Noel isn't anything near as good as Liam can be live. And the last Beady eye tour still proves it since his singing had been great. |
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Post by themanwithnoname on Jan 31, 2012 8:44:13 GMT -5
Going a bit off thread topic here but I must confess I have mixed feelings when I listen to Noel's album knowing he had most of these songs up his sleeve and could have used them as Oasis songs and had Liam singing on them.
Liam's vocals could have taken them to another level. If Oasis never record another album there will always be a sense of what might have been in my mind.
If they had chosen the right songs to record and not f*cked it up with their stupid arguments then the Oasis legacy (even post-1996) could have been immense instead of fizzling out with a string of uneven albums.
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Post by uboasis on Jan 31, 2012 8:52:21 GMT -5
I hate how much the perception of Liam is going down and I feel bad for him how much praise Noel is getting in the public and Liam is getting unfairly criticized. That said, in my opinion, after seeing them both live, BDI played a great show but Noel sounded better at this point. That's just my opinion, my wife (a non-oasis fan) agreed with me too so I guess that's just two opinions That said, I do agree as a whole, Liam's voice would have added something to the album but I don't care. I've always wanted to hear what a Noel album would sound like. but for the record his vocal performances is still very good and i've never saw a bad performance by noel on this tour. he sounds good. he struggles with the falsett now and then but liam can't sing falsett since the be here now tour. so we shouldn't pretend that noel is anything near as worse as liam live Noel really doesn't sing especially good on this tour. Singing 20 songs instead of 5 isn't the same. As for Liam, a single good performance of him blows out an entire Noel tour. I'm not even talking about his great performances. Noel isn't anything near as good as Liam can be live. And the last Beady eye tour still proves it since his singing had been great. |
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Post by truefaith on Jan 31, 2012 8:54:05 GMT -5
Going a bit off thread topic here but I must confess I have mixed feelings when I listen to Noel's album knowing he had most of these songs up his sleeve and could have used them as Oasis songs and had Liam singing on them. Liam's vocals could have taken them to another level. If Oasis never record another album there will always be a sense of what might have been in my mind. If they had chosen the right songs to record and not f*cked it up with their stupid arguments then the Oasis legacy (even post-1996) could have been immense instead of fizzling out with a string of uneven albums. Exactly ! Noel f*cked up the last 3 albums with bad decisions, like singing some songs instead of giving them to Liam (LDSMD, MF, FON), putting some non sense ridiculous tunes like GOYHHL or She is love when he had RM and surely other treasures ready (maybe ASGOG). Sure Andy and Gem's medium songwritting didn't aways help the last albums, but Noel made some moronic decisions for ego reason. "You right more so I sing more" and basically destroys the Oasis magic formula : Liam sings Noel songs. And his choices on the tracklisting were very weird sometimes. But that's still going, ASGOG isn't on the album and Dream on or SBAJF are. |
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Post by uboasis on Jan 31, 2012 9:31:08 GMT -5
I like High Horse Lady but that was because Liam left to get married and never finished Record Machine. I thought LDSMD sounded terrible with Liam on it (although to be fair it was probably just a demo). Going a bit off thread topic here but I must confess I have mixed feelings when I listen to Noel's album knowing he had most of these songs up his sleeve and could have used them as Oasis songs and had Liam singing on them. Liam's vocals could have taken them to another level. If Oasis never record another album there will always be a sense of what might have been in my mind. If they had chosen the right songs to record and not f*cked it up with their stupid arguments then the Oasis legacy (even post-1996) could have been immense instead of fizzling out with a string of uneven albums. Exactly ! Noel f*cked up the last 3 albums with bad decisions, like singing some songs instead of giving them to Liam (LDSMD, MF, FON), putting some non sense ridiculous tunes like GOYHHL or She is love when he had RM and surely other treasures ready (maybe ASGOG). Sure Andy and Gem's medium songwritting didn't aways help the last albums, but Noel made some moronic decisions for ego reason. "You right more so I sing more" and basically destroys the Oasis magic formula : Liam sings Noel songs. And his choices on the tracklisting were very weird sometimes. But that's still going, ASGOG isn't on the album and Dream on or SBAJF are. |
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