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Post by andymorris on Jan 28, 2012 5:17:13 GMT -5
People seem to forget that in 20 years, none of them managed to reach Noel's songwriting. Sure they had some good ones, and within the 3 of them they will always make good records, but nothing as good as MG or even the lesser good Oasis records. They just dont have it in them. You dont become a great songwriter, you are or you arent.
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Post by truefaith on Jan 28, 2012 7:30:45 GMT -5
People seem to forget that in 20 years, none of them managed to reach Noel's songwriting. Sure they had some good ones, and within the 3 of them they will always make good records, but nothing as good as MG or even the lesser good Oasis records. They just dont have it in them. You dont become a great songwriter, you are or you arent. In 20 years, Noel never manages to get Liam's talent as a frontman and singer and that doesn't seem to annoy people. |
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Jan 28, 2012 7:39:16 GMT -5
People seem to forget that in 20 years, none of them managed to reach Noel's songwriting. Sure they had some good ones, and within the 3 of them they will always make good records, but nothing as good as MG or even the lesser good Oasis records. They just dont have it in them. You dont become a great songwriter, you are or you arent. Comparing LAG's early songs to the DGSS material (or the songs on DBTT/DOYS) shows that they are clearly getting better. No, they won't write a Live Forever or a Wonderwall, but they can do better than DGSS (which wasn't that bad). |
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Post by RocketMan on Jan 28, 2012 8:20:12 GMT -5
People seem to forget that in 20 years, none of them managed to reach Noel's songwriting. Sure they had some good ones, and within the 3 of them they will always make good records, but nothing as good as MG or even the lesser good Oasis records. They just dont have it in them. You dont become a great songwriter, you are or you arent. Comparing LAG's early songs to the DGSS material (or the songs on DBTT/DOYS) shows that they are clearly getting better. No, they won't write a Live Forever or a Wonderwall, but they can do better than DGSS (which wasn't that bad). they didn't get better. they just pretend to make good songs but afterall it's just the same old shit without anything special |
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Post by idledreamer on Jan 28, 2012 10:41:58 GMT -5
DGSS is a great album and I'm absolutely looking forward a lot to the next album!! this. don't expect beady eye to write the next live forever or champagne supernova. they're not going to. just put the music on, enjoy it for what it is and have a good time. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2012 11:13:41 GMT -5
Comparing LAG's early songs to the DGSS material (or the songs on DBTT/DOYS) shows that they are clearly getting better. No, they won't write a Live Forever or a Wonderwall, but they can do better than DGSS (which wasn't that bad). they didn't get better. they just pretend to make good songs but afterall it's just the same old shit without anything special Generally I still prefer their effort on DBTT or DOYS. Turn Up the Sun, I'm Outta Time > everything on DGSS. I don't particularly like Guess God Thinks I'm Abel and A Bell Will Ring but it's still better than lots of tracks on DGSS. As lots of people have mentioned, they'll be happy as long as the music is there no matter the sales are. Sales does not equal to great quality of music but at least that means people are interested in your output, which is important to an artist's confidence. Great sales might also guarantee great ticket sales. I hope their next album does better than this one in terms of quality and commercial succes. It has to be better, time is running out for them. |
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Post by space75gr on Jan 28, 2012 11:55:03 GMT -5
i don't really care if their next album has commercially successful singles or not. i would much rather them make the music they want to make--- not what the radio wants to hear. i have a feeling bdi2 will be great  i totally agree with you. btw, DG,SS was a very good album.i love most of its songs. |
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Post by truefaith on Jan 28, 2012 12:13:41 GMT -5
I think Beady eye have some stuff for them. First they have the best singer of all time, and he found his voice again with the tast tour. Second, Liam is capable of great tunes, SO, GGTIA, Songbird or BWYB are brillants tunes. He just need to make the difference between the great ones like In a Bubble and the shit like Beatles and Stone, and we'll be ok.
Then Gem and Andy are great musician and they should focus on making rocker like TUTS and FLW, between Liam's accoustic moment and thos rockers, we'll be fine. No great, never great witout Noel but fine.
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Jan 28, 2012 14:39:36 GMT -5
Comparing LAG's early songs to the DGSS material (or the songs on DBTT/DOYS) shows that they are clearly getting better. No, they won't write a Live Forever or a Wonderwall, but they can do better than DGSS (which wasn't that bad). they didn't get better. they just pretend to make good songs but afterall it's just the same old shit without anything special That's just not true. Sure, they write a lot of average songs, but you have to admit DGSS has its moments (FLW, BTL, Wigwam, TBGO, TMS...). |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2012 17:30:09 GMT -5
Beady Eye can't become a successful band because Liam has burned his bridges with the public at large. Public perception of him is that he's an aggressive idiot, a John Lennon clone, who lived off the talent of his brother for 15 years while his natural gift, his voice, slowly deserted him.
The public is (at least partly) wrong, but that's how it is. Beady Eye hit their commercial peak the day the first gigs were put on sale. It's all downhill from there. The majority of people who bought Oasis albums and tickets haven't come with them. When was the last time a band in their late 30s and early 40s broke through to mainstream success? Different Gear, Still Speeding is a good album and hopefully the second one will be as well, but we're the only people who'll buy it.
How long will Liam be happy playing to crowds in the hundreds, rather than the thousands, and making Gold records instead of multi-platinum ones? We already saw towards the end of the last tour that he quickly tired of sparse, dead crowds.
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Jan 28, 2012 19:50:10 GMT -5
They have a solid enough fanbase. It isn't likely to grow, but then it isn't likely to shrink much either. They'll play to similar sized crowds regardless of whether the next album is brilliant or shite.
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Post by gdforever on Jan 28, 2012 20:07:55 GMT -5
They have a solid enough fanbase. It isn't likely to grow, but then it isn't likely to shrink much either. They'll play to similar sized crowds regardless of whether the next album is brilliant or shite. If they add the Oasis tunes like they seem to be planning they will almost certianly play to bigger crowds regardless of the next albums success. Even if it's only 2-3 songs. Lots of people go to gigs only really knowing 2-3 of the acts songs. If they continue to play only BDI songs and the next album is only average again, I think their live audience may shink a bit. There were lots of fans caught up in the hype that went to several shows on this last tour. As time goes on there will only be fewer and fewer people that will continue to do that as the novelty of seeing Liam in a small venue wears off. |
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Post by RocketMan on Jan 29, 2012 10:38:25 GMT -5
They have a solid enough fanbase. It isn't likely to grow, but then it isn't likely to shrink much either. They'll play to similar sized crowds regardless of whether the next album is brilliant or shite. If they add the Oasis tunes like they seem to be planning they will almost certianly play to bigger crowds regardless of the next albums success. Even if it's only 2-3 songs. Lots of people go to gigs only really knowing 2-3 of the acts songs. i don't think that oasis songs will bring them to bigger venues. it's about the sales and there won't be a big difference to the next album. i guess many people hoped that they play oasis songs on their last tour and were disappointed after the gig. they won't come back again |
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Post by gdforever on Jan 29, 2012 11:17:49 GMT -5
If they add the Oasis tunes like they seem to be planning they will almost certianly play to bigger crowds regardless of the next albums success. Even if it's only 2-3 songs. Lots of people go to gigs only really knowing 2-3 of the acts songs. i don't think that oasis songs will bring them to bigger venues. it's about the sales and there won't be a big difference to the next album. i guess many people hoped that they play oasis songs on their last tour and were disappointed after the gig. they won't come back again If Liam Gallagher starts singing Rock 'n Roll Star and Cigarettes and Alcohol on tour then I am sure people will hear about it if they are at all Oasis fans. It'll probably be mentioned in every piece of press for that tour and asked about in every interview. Probably won't make a huge difference if they play Songbird and GGTIA or something though. We don't even know what they'll play yet though. Originally they said not on the first couple tours. But they seem to have softened that stance towards the end of the tour. I guess we'll see. But I think at the very least they'll be able to carry off a tour the size of last time but sell it out until the end instead |
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Post by thomas09 on Jan 29, 2012 11:54:55 GMT -5
People seem to forget that in 20 years, none of them managed to reach Noel's songwriting. Sure they had some good ones, and within the 3 of them they will always make good records, but nothing as good as MG or even the lesser good Oasis records. They just dont have it in them. You dont become a great songwriter, you are or you arent. and you think noel could write another morning glory?? no chance. Put noels album beside morning glory and it looks absolutely shit, as do most albums out there today. and the fact that you think they cant write an album as good as oasis' later albums is mad since dgss got better reviews than the last few oasis albums. all that matters to me is that i loved dgss, thought it was brilliant. i also like nghfb so in my eyes thats a good result. |
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Post by therover on Jan 29, 2012 11:59:51 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to Beady Eye's second album more than Noel's second.
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Post by putthisin ® on Jan 29, 2012 12:56:24 GMT -5
People seem to forget that in 20 years, none of them managed to reach Noel's songwriting. Sure they had some good ones, and within the 3 of them they will always make good records, but nothing as good as MG or even the lesser good Oasis records. They just dont have it in them. You dont become a great songwriter, you are or you arent. 99,9% of the bands and artists haven't managed or will manage to reach the quality of Noel's songwriting. I don't expect BDI to be a revelation and record a legendary album. Not even let's say Arctic Monkeys or Foo Fighters, Muse or whatever bands are bigger these days will make an album as good as DM or MG. I'm glad BDI keeps doing their thing and if their secnd record is as good as DGSS, then I'll buy it |
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Post by elchupacabra on Jan 29, 2012 15:37:16 GMT -5
Beady Eye sound like a dead turd.
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Post by andymorris on Jan 30, 2012 3:35:04 GMT -5
Comparing LAG's early songs to the DGSS material (or the songs on DBTT/DOYS) shows that they are clearly getting better. No, they won't write a Live Forever or a Wonderwall, but they can do better than DGSS (which wasn't that bad). they didn't get better. they just pretend to make good songs but afterall it's just the same old shit without anything special Pretty much. Well the only one that got better slightly is Andy. and we dont know how old his songs are. FLW is his best efforts with Oasis / BDI but really, Liam's songs are nowhere near Songbird, Born On a Different Cloud or I'm outta time. I'm not saying DGSS is bad, it could have been a really strong 11 track record. But they will always lack something. Call it whatever you want, they don't have that magic touch in them. But i hope their next record prove me wrong. |
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Post by andymorris on Jan 30, 2012 3:36:48 GMT -5
and you think noel could write another morning glory?? no chance. Put noels album beside morning glory and it looks absolutely shit, as do most albums out there today. and the fact that you think they cant write an album as good as oasis' later albums is mad since dgss got better reviews than the last few oasis albums. all that matters to me is that i loved dgss, thought it was brilliant. i also like nghfb so in my eyes thats a good result. DGSS is a good album, but I think the point is that Liam and Andy and Gem simply aren't in Noel's league as songwriters, and aren't likely to write something transcendent . No shame in that. Noel truly has a special gift. Yep. |
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Post by truefaith on Jan 30, 2012 10:49:15 GMT -5
DGSS is a good album, but I think the point is that Liam and Andy and Gem simply aren't in Noel's league as songwriters, and aren't likely to write something transcendent . No shame in that. Noel truly has a special gift. And? They can still make better album than Kasabian or Artic monkeys IMO, that's all I'm asking, not the new DM or MG They 're able of a very good record if they work for it. Noel is lazy but Liam is too fast, they needs much more time in the studio this time. Noel is great songwritter but he's not nearly as good as he used to be, most of the songs on HFB would have been b side in 1996, and not even Masterplan material b side. I have accepted that I'll never get a truly great album from the Gallagher's ever again, if there's one or two great song I'm happy with it. There are 3 on HFB (EOTR, IIAG, RM), it's just a shame Liam doesn't sing on them...The rest is good or boring. There are some good songs (not great) on DGSS but not enough, but IABWAB was really good, The Roller or FLW two. |
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Post by truefaith on Jan 30, 2012 12:53:20 GMT -5
I would disagree, as would many here. I think there are 5-6 great tracks. Nonetheless you shouldn't be complaining about an album that has 3 great tracks and a few good ones out of 10. That's pretty damn good. I like the album, but let's be honest, good in 2012 means minor b side in 1996. |
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Post by gdforever on Jan 30, 2012 13:03:13 GMT -5
I would disagree, as would many here. I think there are 5-6 great tracks. Nonetheless you shouldn't be complaining about an album that has 3 great tracks and a few good ones out of 10. That's pretty damn good. I like the album, but let's be honest, good in 2012 means minor b side in 1996. I think the a few of the tracks on HFB would have been at the very least top notch 90's b-sides. That's me being honest. |
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Post by truefaith on Jan 30, 2012 13:31:08 GMT -5
I like the album, but let's be honest, good in 2012 means minor b side in 1996. I think the a few of the tracks on HFB would have been at the very least top notch 90's b-sides. That's me being honest. Well I don't. I've even changed my mind, I prefer every b side of 1995/96 to every "good song" of HFB. Once again, I take EOTR, IIAG and RM out of it, they would habe been great even in 1995, even greater since Liam would have sung on them. |
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Post by Silence Dogood on Jan 30, 2012 13:57:48 GMT -5
I agree, EOTR is a truly great song, it's not a 10 simply because Liam isn't singing it. I mean, i love Noel's vocals but is it as good as it would be with Liam? no... so it can't be a 10 imo, that's just me.
Aside from that one, everything else on the HFBs album just can't touch the stuff from the 94/95/96, and that includes the b sides, which as well all know were in some cases better than the stuff on the albums. Not a knock on Noel, since he wrote it all himself, the delivery just isn't the same, and obviously the inspiration and magic from those days and those songs are basically untouchable.
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