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Post by BlueJay on Jan 26, 2012 8:51:38 GMT -5
Let's be absolutely frank here. Thus far, Liam, Gem and Andy are yet to write a commercially successful pop song under the Beady Eye moniker. The debut album survived on novelty and nostalgia alone, people were curious as to how they would survive without Noel. Thing is, its very unlikely that there was anyone who bought the record who wasn't previously an Oasis fan.
Beady Eye CANNOT adopt the same formula for their next album. If they come up with a similiar middle-of-the-road standard collection of songs again, the band will be dead in the water. Forget any mainstream awareness, the band would be lucky to hold many fans on here if they don't expand and progress significantly with album number two.
In short, their next album needs to be the same leap that Morning Glory was on Definitely Maybe. It needs to be much more anthemic, it needs to actually have melodies that stick profusely in the listener's head, and they need to make use of more varied instrumentation (strings where applicable, a triangle couldn't hurt either). If they don't find new fans beyond the Oasis demographic with their next album, the project is over, the bar's shut.
Success is a function of success, they must build on their momentum and make a record that takes everyone by surprise. The only reason I'm doubtful is because most of the songs on DGSS had been unearthed from years beforehand. The Roller was 9 years old upon its release...the new album will be of songs they've written within a twelve month period.
Godspeed Liam, godspeed. I really don't want to see them fall. It's just what every critic and Oasis-hater wants.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2012 8:57:49 GMT -5
Unfortunately, this essay is going to be replicated about a million times on here until release...
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Post by Rolo on Jan 26, 2012 9:32:32 GMT -5
Really hope they go in this sort of direction, sounds rockin'!
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Post by BlueJay on Jan 26, 2012 9:35:06 GMT -5
Unfortunately, this essay is going to be replicated about a million times on here until release... Yeah. I decided to beat Spaneli to the punch. |
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Post by Shockmaster on Jan 26, 2012 9:43:43 GMT -5
Really hope they go in this sort of direction, sounds rockin'! WOAH. This better be a new Beady Eye song... That sounds like a stadium filler!!!!!!  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2012 9:53:50 GMT -5
I think the next album title should be "It's Do or Die for Beady Eye". Wouldn't be any worse than "Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds"  |
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Jan 26, 2012 11:06:46 GMT -5
Liam seems to have realized this as well, he did say that the next album would be a "much bigger affair - with strings" etc., and they have used most of their old Oasis material by now too, so they can focus on creating a new sound. If they can write an album that is significantly better than DGSS from scratch, they might do really well on long term. If DGSS was the best they can do, 2015 will seem to be very far away for Liam.
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Post by alwaysnow on Jan 26, 2012 11:47:47 GMT -5
they have used most of their old Oasis material by now too, so they can focus on creating a new sound. That is a good point and I hope those are good news, that they find a sound of their own with the new songs they've been writing and that are not leftovers from Oasis. I don't know about expanding their fanbase, that's a very difficult task, especially given how niched the music scene has become. I think the Oasis fanbase will always be their biggest percentage of supporters, Liam has a tag tattooed in his forehead and that makes him have loyal supporters and fierce detractors. If Beady Eye release another Morning Glory I would guess it will still be big only in our circle of Oasis fans. If they would really want to get new fans, I guess they'll have to change their sound dramatically, and I believe that won't happen. I'll be happy to have a record I enjoy, with enough commercial success to keep the boys motivated, and financially comfortable to keep producing great records and touring. |
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Post by RocketMan on Jan 26, 2012 11:54:48 GMT -5
i haven't got any expectations left, so they can do whatever they want. if it's good than fair play to them, if not i wouldn't care either
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2012 12:02:31 GMT -5
Nice read. Mostly true, but Beady Eye are not really in this for the fame anymore. I mean, how can they be? 40 year old rock stars DON'T find new fame these days. I just doesn't happen.
However, Beady Eye should really consider moving a different direction or else they will become the punch line of many jokes musically.
Cheers!
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Post by gdforever on Jan 26, 2012 13:25:21 GMT -5
I don't think they need to grow significantly sales wise. I think even maintaining around the same would be OK. Maybe not what they want...but they wouldn't die because of it.
Their visibility will likely be a lot less come next time around. There is a lot of novelty involved in being the debut album after the split. If they can maintain those sales without that'll be a significant success. A modest kind of growth.
They sold over 400K albums on their own label and have their own touring company. They got most of the profit presumably for a bit less than half a million albums and singles and a good chunk of change from all those shows.
I think it's next to impossible from them to smash it. It would take them putting out the ultimate record. I think there is no shame in them maintianing moderate success.
I would like them to be a bit more adventurous with their sound dor myself. More variety in instrumentation. I think the point of DGSS was to put out a product that they could play live front to back. No frills. But they have obviously changed that plan for the next album. But more than the instrumentation what I think would be great is a bit more high energy tunes like FLW. Their album was quite mid-tempo when I expected it to really rock. More FLW's please. They can do tunes like that and excel because at is where I think Liam is strongest vocally. No one sings a biting rock song like Liam Gallagher.
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Post by dion on Jan 26, 2012 13:44:14 GMT -5
LAG could write an album as good as definitely maybe and it still wouldn't sell 250k copies... Guitar music is on it's arse at the moment and the only way BDI could have a big selling record is if a new Oasis came along and revived the market.
The success of BDI will be keeping the Oasis fans interested, they're one of the few bands with a core fan-base big enough to support a splinter act.
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Post by idledreamer on Jan 26, 2012 15:00:08 GMT -5
i don't really care if their next album has commercially successful singles or not. i would much rather them make the music they want to make--- not what the radio wants to hear. i have a feeling bdi2 will be great  |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 26, 2012 16:28:23 GMT -5
Beady Eye should ditch the "Kill For A Dream"/"The Beat Goes On" style songs and write more "Four Letter Word" tunes. The first two mentioned are brutal!
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Post by NicOasis on Jan 26, 2012 22:25:29 GMT -5
I agree with lennon2217 and idledreamer  |
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Post by ale2 on Jan 27, 2012 5:15:01 GMT -5
Liam seems to have realized this as well, he did say that the next album would be a "much bigger affair - with strings" etc., and they have used most of their old Oasis material by now too, so they can focus on creating a new sound. If they can write an album that is significantly better than DGSS from scratch, they might do really well on long term. If DGSS was the best they can do, 2015 will seem to be very far away for Liam. Mostly Liam must stop living in the past. It is nearly ridiculous how old Beady Eyes new album sounds. |
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Post by RocketMan on Jan 27, 2012 6:06:15 GMT -5
Liam seems to have realized this as well, he did say that the next album would be a "much bigger affair - with strings" etc., and they have used most of their old Oasis material by now too, so they can focus on creating a new sound. If they can write an album that is significantly better than DGSS from scratch, they might do really well on long term. If DGSS was the best they can do, 2015 will seem to be very far away for Liam. It is nearly ridiculous how old Beady Eyes new album sounds. oh yes. you can do some old stuff, but at least make it sound like 2012 not 1960. |
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Post by Shockmaster on Jan 27, 2012 6:08:58 GMT -5
TBH, I like DG,SS... I like it quite a lot actually.... It's not bad, it's actually quite good... It's just nothing groundbreaking...
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Post by theultimatewannabe on Jan 27, 2012 6:20:41 GMT -5
Mostly Liam must stop living in the past. It is nearly ridiculous how old Beady Eyes new album sounds. Liam's not the only one with a rusty sense of music. Probably everyone there, except Chris thanks to his nonexistent songwriting abilities. FLW was a very unique tune to expect from Andy since he's always written softer tunes; in my opinion, KFAD is rather the archetype Andy song. The rockier ones usually come out from Gem but he is not the one to write a killer tune. If they put out a generally mellow album with listenable songs for the second album, my expectations will be fulfilled. I think the sales gap between Noel and BDI can be attributed to their gap in the level of recognition and critical acclaim. After their decline as rock stars and the faltering of Liam's voice, Noel was usually the one hailed as the genius, the center of Oasis. Liam on the other hand was closer to the image of a reckless, immature middle-aged man which further led to his depreciation. Although it's safe to say that Noel's album is better than BDI's, not all casual fans appreciate an album that too is full of worn-out music after seven albums of similar sound. Considering their general status as a 90's phenomenon and their static style of music that supports the notion, being musically superior to another (not necessarily restricted to Noel) will scarcely affect them at all. |
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Post by spaneli on Jan 27, 2012 13:40:07 GMT -5
Unfortunately, this essay is going to be replicated about a million times on here until release... Yeah. I decided to beat Spaneli to the punch. I don't know if I'm interested enough in Beady Eye to write an essay on them.  A really bad album might kill them, but I don't think they'll make a bad album. As of the moment they're definitely a niche act. Usually those tend to be unsastainable (at least if you wish to tour at high level, meaning consistently playing gigs to over 3,000 people). But they'll be okay. I don't expect a great ablum. I don't think they're capabel of making a truly great album, but they could write a good album. And that's probably all they need to at least keep at it for future releases. |
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Post by masterplan2011 on Jan 27, 2012 18:53:45 GMT -5
Strangely I have a few friends who are pretty musically disabled, they like Deadmaus and DJFuckKnows and all them clowns but they like Beady Eye for some reason which I can't understand yet never got into Oasis.
I think DGSS was a good album, it was really easy to listen to and had a lot of good moments.It did seem a bit rushed though.
I know Bring the Light isn't a masterpiece and and I don't really like it that much but I like the sound they were going for there, it's a bit different. As people are saying some FLW esque tunes would be good as well.
I'd like to see Gem produce some great riffs. He is a very talented guitarist and he should be able to write some rockin riffs. I think the next album could be a lot more edgier and raw.
Overall, I'm really optimistic about the next album. I think a lot of people on here like me have the sneaky suspicion that Liam one day will write a truly great song and in Gem, Andy and Chris he has great musicians to do the technical parts.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2012 20:32:37 GMT -5
It is nearly ridiculous how old Beady Eyes new album sounds. oh yes. you can do some old stuff, but at least make it sound like 2012 not 1960. Yes. I hope they can break the old school rock band image. Hope their second will be better than the first one. It has to be better. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2012 21:28:12 GMT -5
This thread made me decide to listen to DGSS again over the past day or so. I still feel today as I did months ago that the album hits its high point with FLW. After that, the album is really mid-tempo and lacks anything you could call gripping. Get's boring after 4 or 5 tracks, and then you realize that there are still 8 or 9 more, meh.
They are typecast like many actors are typecast over the years. Nobody will care if the deviate from their current position, because everyone will still think of them as an Oasis retread that is lacking the songwriting brilliance of Noel. Everyone I know who knows anything about them, already thinks that way, and that is not going to change.
Sad but true.
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Post by andymorris on Jan 28, 2012 3:00:10 GMT -5
If they're happy with selling records only to die hard fans, they'll go on. Cant see them doing better, unless they produce the white album of the 2010s.
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Post by songbirdsally on Jan 28, 2012 3:53:44 GMT -5
DGSS is a great album and I'm absolutely looking forward a lot to the next album!!
If the new B-sides are anything to go by at all it looks like it will at least be equally as good as DGSS and since they're taking a bit more time now I'm almost sure it will be better.
I'm happy about the 'still have to prove something' position they're in, as it will push them further than they would go otherwise and will motivate Liam even more the take care of his voice and write even better songs etc.
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