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Post by Rolo on Mar 8, 2012 15:58:43 GMT -5
I really don't understand how it's 'Career suicide'? So what if they chuck Live Forever for example in the encore, I expect everyone in attendance will go crazy, you'd be mental not to seeing Liam sing Oasis songs again. I don't see how it will hurt Beady Eye, as long as they don't flood their set with them which they wont, Liam said 'they might chuck a couple in'. It's a win win situation, us fans are getting to hear Liam belt out the Oasis classics live again which will be an amazing moment and it'll be good for Beady Eye as it'll draw more people in to the gigs if they know their going to be playing a couple Oasis tunes. I don't see anything bad coming from it as long as they only stick to two or three songs per gig. As people have said Liam has made them songs famous, he has a right to sing them whenever he wants.
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Post by yeayeayeah on Mar 8, 2012 17:02:12 GMT -5
I hope they just stick to the songs they wrote.
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Post by truefaith on Mar 8, 2012 17:09:39 GMT -5
What song would you want them to play?
Personnaly I would like LF, RNRS, Supersonic, C&A or MG. I would like a CS too but I don't see it happening. TUTS and Songbird would be nice too, as well as ABWR, always like this one live. And BWTB first time live would be a nice surprise. Can't wait to see what they would choose.
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Post by Silence Dogood on Mar 8, 2012 17:39:22 GMT -5
Elvis didn't write his songs. They're still his fucking songs. /thread.
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Post by disconnected1976 on Mar 9, 2012 8:35:02 GMT -5
I'd be okay hearing one Oasis song live at a Beady Eye gig. I think the crowd would go nuts, and the band could play off their energy. But I don't think Beady Eye should do Oasis songs. Not because they don't have a right to, they absolutely do. But they'd be perceived too much as Oasis, and I think they should stay away from that, and stick with Beady Eye. If Noel were with two or three members of Oasis, I'd feel the same way. If Liam were on his own, without Gem and Andy, then I'd say he should go for it. But my overwhelming opinion is that I don't want to see Beady Eye do anymore than 1 Oasis song at a Beady Eye gig. Absolutely spot on. Noel can do it because he's going for it as Noel Gallagher. Beady Eye are Beady Eye. When their album was announced I was excited because I wanted to hear more music from these 3 guys together. And I would have found it odd to hear even one Oasis song in their gig, even one of "their" Oasis songs. I want to hear Beady Eye doing Beady Eye stuff, and I really respect them for that so far. Liam solo would be something else, he would be a performer, so he could play "Liam Gallagher, formerly of Oasis". Then again they totally have the right to do it...
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Post by mattyo on Mar 9, 2012 16:31:56 GMT -5
I certainly cant see them doing Noel's Oasis song even if they are the classics.
I can see Songbird, Love Like a Bomb, Turn up the Sun and maybe A Bell will Ring.
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Post by NYR on Mar 9, 2012 16:47:43 GMT -5
it'll be hard for them to get away with playing noel-written songs. i think they should stick with the songs they wrote.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 9, 2012 18:52:40 GMT -5
The band still has a lot of song writing talent. Liam continues to get better and better. Andy really hit a home run with Four Letter Word. That should have been their first release and a proper "Hello...we are fucking back!!!" moment. I believe they can deliver a catchy, fun second album. Not a fan of Noel Oasis songs being played live. Write better tunes and the band will find more success. It is simple as that. When the first chords of Cigarettes and Alcohol are played...it might as well be the beginning of the end of the band. I hate to say it but it screams desperation time for this act by saying "We need Noel's songs to make these concerts work better". They don't need to do this. Stay strong Liam.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 9, 2012 18:58:34 GMT -5
The band still has a lot of song writing talent. Liam continues to get better and better. Andy really hit a home run with Four Letter Word. That should have been their first release and a proper "Hello...we are fucking back!!!" moment. I believe they can deliver a catchy, fun second album. Not a fan of Noel Oasis songs being played live. Write better tunes and the band will find more success. It is simple as that. When the first chords of Cigarettes and Alcohol are played...it might as well be the beginning of the end of the band. I hate to say it but it screams desperation time for this act by saying "We need Noel's songs to make these concerts work better". They don't need to do this. Stay strong Liam. You are so incredibly wrong. Have you not considered that they might play some Oasis tunes because Liam wants to sing them and the band enjoy playing them. Lets be honest playing Oasis songs is not going to make beady eye hugely popular. It has nothing to do with staying strong. And you as a lot of people on here disregard the bond Liam has to those songs. I'd rather see Beady Eye rip through Rock n Roll Star than hear Noel's acoustic noodling Supersonic.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 9, 2012 20:03:05 GMT -5
The band still has a lot of song writing talent. Liam continues to get better and better. Andy really hit a home run with Four Letter Word. That should have been their first release and a proper "Hello...we are fucking back!!!" moment. I believe they can deliver a catchy, fun second album. Not a fan of Noel Oasis songs being played live. Write better tunes and the band will find more success. It is simple as that. When the first chords of Cigarettes and Alcohol are played...it might as well be the beginning of the end of the band. I hate to say it but it screams desperation time for this act by saying "We need Noel's songs to make these concerts work better". They don't need to do this. Stay strong Liam. You are so incredibly wrong. Have you not considered that they might play some Oasis tunes because Liam wants to sing them and the band enjoy playing them. Lets be honest playing Oasis songs is not going to make beady eye hugely popular. It has nothing to do with staying strong. And you as a lot of people on here disregard the bond Liam has to those songs. I'd rather see Beady Eye rip through Rock n Roll Star than hear Noel's acoustic noodling Supersonic. Perhaps Liam should have written it then. Noel's acoustic Supersonic is great. I like that Beady Eye are only playing their songs. I liked how Liam said they would never play Oasis songs. now a year later, shitty album sales and so-so touring sales...Liam is willing to throw Oasis songs into the mix. Something tells me that wouldn't be the case if DGSS had similar success to HFB. Just my opinion.
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Post by pdfstreet on Mar 10, 2012 4:08:15 GMT -5
Liam can (and will) do whatever the fuck he wants.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 10, 2012 5:55:07 GMT -5
You are so incredibly wrong. Have you not considered that they might play some Oasis tunes because Liam wants to sing them and the band enjoy playing them. Lets be honest playing Oasis songs is not going to make beady eye hugely popular. It has nothing to do with staying strong. And you as a lot of people on here disregard the bond Liam has to those songs. I'd rather see Beady Eye rip through Rock n Roll Star than hear Noel's acoustic noodling Supersonic. Perhaps Liam should have written it then. Noel's acoustic Supersonic is great. I like that Beady Eye are only playing their songs. I liked how Liam said they would never play Oasis songs. now a year later, shitty album sales and so-so touring sales...Liam is willing to throw Oasis songs into the mix. Something tells me that wouldn't be the case if DGSS had similar success to HFB. Just my opinion. Tell that to Elvis or some of the other entertainers. His acoustic version is acceptable I suppose but it doesn't improve on how its been done before. Not playing any Oasis songs was clearly the right move for the first tour but its a bit stupid to think that Liam would never do any of those songs again regardless of Beady Eye's success, considering his feeling for Oasis. I'd like to know what is intrinsically wrong with Beady Eye playing Oasis songs? Noel understands Liam might want to do them and doesn't mind if he does. Liam was lead singer and original member of Oasis. The people who really seemed miffed about this frankly are Noel fans who think the Beady Eye album is average. Which beg's the question ~ why are you in hear talking about their setlist?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 10, 2012 10:16:02 GMT -5
Perhaps Liam should have written it then. Noel's acoustic Supersonic is great. I like that Beady Eye are only playing their songs. I liked how Liam said they would never play Oasis songs. now a year later, shitty album sales and so-so touring sales...Liam is willing to throw Oasis songs into the mix. Something tells me that wouldn't be the case if DGSS had similar success to HFB. Just my opinion. Tell that to Elvis or some of the other entertainers. His acoustic version is acceptable I suppose but it doesn't improve on how its been done before. Not playing any Oasis songs was clearly the right move for the first tour but its a bit stupid to think that Liam would never do any of those songs again regardless of Beady Eye's success, considering his feeling for Oasis. I'd like to know what is intrinsically wrong with Beady Eye playing Oasis songs? Noel understands Liam might want to do them and doesn't mind if he does. Liam was lead singer and original member of Oasis. The people who really seemed miffed about this frankly are Noel fans who think the Beady Eye album is average. Which beg's the question ~ why are you in hear talking about their setlist? First off Elvis and others of his class existed in a time when singers sang and hired songwriters wrote the songs for the performers on stage. The Beatles helped change that along with many other acts in the early 60s. Elvis was a performer, not a band member. Second, I never said Beady Eye can't play Oasis songs. I only said they shouldn't play Noel songs. Third, I liked DGSS and enjoyed 2 of the 3 shows I attended this year. I'd like to see more of their tunes than Oasis songs. I'm not bashing the band at all. I just don't think it is the right choice for them. It's just my opinion.
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Post by gdforever on Mar 10, 2012 12:49:07 GMT -5
Perhaps Liam should have written it then. Noel's acoustic Supersonic is great. I like that Beady Eye are only playing their songs. I liked how Liam said they would never play Oasis songs. now a year later, shitty album sales and so-so touring sales...Liam is willing to throw Oasis songs into the mix. Something tells me that wouldn't be the case if DGSS had similar success to HFB. Just my opinion. Tell that to Elvis or some of the other entertainers. His acoustic version is acceptable I suppose but it doesn't improve on how its been done before. Not playing any Oasis songs was clearly the right move for the first tour but its a bit stupid to think that Liam would never do any of those songs again regardless of Beady Eye's success, considering his feeling for Oasis. I'd like to know what is intrinsically wrong with Beady Eye playing Oasis songs? Noel understands Liam might want to do them and doesn't mind if he does. Liam was lead singer and original member of Oasis. The people who really seemed miffed about this frankly are Noel fans who think the Beady Eye album is average. Which beg's the question ~ why are you in hear talking about their setlist? Because we are BDI fans... Not everyone is like you, forsaking one Gallagher just because they happen to prefer the other one. Not everyone feels the need to create this your either with us or against us attitude that you subscribe to. I bought the album and all the singles...but I'm still not a fan because I don't chose to believe Liam is above reproach for all the shit he pulls past and present. Unlike you who didn't bother to attend a Noel show 'I' would attend a BDI gig in a heartbeat. And my rating on the BDI album is a 6.5-7/10...which is above average (average being 5) I don't think Liam is the equivalent Elvis. Elvis was just a performer...sure a but I think that Liam is more than that. I think he is a songwriter of significant potential. Look at TMS...I would prefer that people pay attention to what they are growing into. It has nothing to do with Noel...only to do with BDI.
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Post by GIMH on Mar 11, 2012 5:11:35 GMT -5
I don't give a fuck who wrote what, I want to hear Liam singing songs I love, because I miss that. My first thought when Oasis split wasn't 'aww no no more new tunes' (and I'm a fan who loved all their albums, I don't buy into the 'shite after 96' thing) but 'aww fuck am I never gonna hear Liam singing Cigs & Alcohol again'? Well up for it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2012 9:16:45 GMT -5
Why would he want to play Noel-written tracks when he has LAG classics to fall back on anyway?
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Post by truefaith on Mar 12, 2012 5:53:56 GMT -5
I don't think Liam is the equivalent Elvis. Elvis was just a performer...sure a but I think that Liam is more than that. I think he is a songwriter of significant potential. Look at TMS...I would prefer that people pay attention to what they are growing into. Liam was mainly a performer in Oasis. He didn't release a song before 2000, I don' t see why he should to give up almost everysong he was a part to because he didn't actually wrote them. He made the song what they are and they're part of his carreer. If he gives up on Oasis songs Noel didn't wrote, he gives up on almots all Oasis songs. Just because he was a performer for Oasis most of the time, it doesn't mean Oasis songs don't belong to them. If he hadn't ever write an Oasis song, you would consider he can't sing any of them for the rest of his life? Liam is a songwritter but mainly he's a performer and the best one so why should he not perform songs he loves and we love ? As for the escuse BDI is a new band, it means nothing, BDI are former Oasis members, it's only natural they play Oasis songs. It's even more natural for me to see Gem and Liam play C&A than seeing Noel bucher Talk Tonight with his awfull drumer. And is it really impossible to think that they're not doing it just to do bigger shows, but because Liam actually miss the songs, that he actually, like he said in itw, thinks of them as as much his as Noel's ? Amd if it was just for the money, BDI would have play them right from the first tour, they waited the second tour, I think it's the right move. And then nobody in a gig is gonna care at all anyway.
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Post by thestellasarecold on Mar 12, 2012 7:34:05 GMT -5
For me the comparisons with Elvis and even Morrissey just don't wash. It's different bringing songs with you from the past when you're in a new band than it is when you're going solo. I'm sorry, but it just is. Beady Eye had the option to carry on as Oasis, Noel left not them. Instead they took the brave decision to return under a new banner, and left Oasis, songs, status and all, behind. For me to go back on that path now and start playing anything other than Beady Eye songs would be a huge mistake, especially if they pilfer Noel's tunes. Yes High Flying Birds is a new venture of sorts, but essentially Noel Gallagher left Oasis and has returned on his own, as a solo artist, and is entitled to delve into his own back catalogue however he pleases to. I don't necessarily agree with the choice or amount of Oasis songs which he's chosen to play, but to me it is his choice as a man on his own to do that. If Beady Eye come back with a second album to promote and start playing Live Forever et al, I really do think it would be career suicide for them. They made the right decision first time around, and gained plenty of respect for it. I hope they remember that. For me, this post is spot on! This is an excellent thread- a valid, interesting debate which, let's face it, isn't always the case on Live 4 Ever (much and all as I love the forum). With all of Liam's negative theatrical bluster about Noel delivered in constant and pretty tedious tirades, it would literally border on pathetic to then play Noel's tracks live. I, more than anymore, would love to hear Liam belt out a Live Forever or a 'proper' Supersonic ( I don't feel Noel's version has translated too well). However, Beady Eye really haven't proven themselves as anything other than middling songwriters thus far. That was the case in Oasis too IMO. They are great players fronted by a recently improved if greatly diminished singer overall. I feel it would be admitting to an early and whimpering defeat to start playing Noel penned songs. The enthusiam and speed with which they released Different Gear, Still Speeding was hugely exciting and the songs have a sheen and professionalism that appeals. But hugely derivative it is- lyrically and in an arrangement sense. I really do hear The Beatles permeating absolutely everything on this more than on any Oasis release ever (makes you wonder what kind of narcissistic hold Liam might have over the other band members...) Most of the positive reviews were slightly backhanded in that the reviewers were mostly surprised that the album wasn't shit... And there were tons of the inevitable negative rants. It didn't sell very well either but the fact is it was okay- it was exactly what I thought it was going to be like. To play Turn Up The Sun or The Nature of Reality would be odd and massively underwhelming. To play Champagne Supernova and Cigarettes and Alcohol would, with perfect justification, have Noel smugly rubbing his fingers together and chuckling Smithers style in his mansion. It just doesn't seem in keeping with Liam's defiant 'fuck you' nature either. If Noel really was the leader and the control freak as stated, guys like Andy and Gem should need no further ammunition to write some good tunes (assuming of course, they have the inherent talent which is yet to be proved IMO). They certainly have as much claim to a musical hertiage as Noel, especially Bell with Ride (if not as much fame or success). Hurricaine No 1 and Heavy Stereo were kinda shite though. Both lads can certainly play their instruments better than Noel. Liam simply isn't any kind of guitarist or a songwriter IMO and even he admits this in interviews in a roundabout kind of way. He kind of writes 'lyrical sketches' of a few simple chords that repeat which the others then flesh out with their greater prowess on a range of instruments (ie: Wigwam). Beady Eye need to pull out all the stops on their next record. I agree with comments that they need to get an edgier producer; a slightly left of centre choice like Kasabian did with Dan the Automator. They need to do what Kasabian have done and I don't mean write an album like West Pauper or Velociraptor! I mean that they need to channel a particular era without parodying it. I hope they can do it- they have a lot of promise. Noel's success should fire the fuckers up! Whilst I think High Flying Birds is a vastly superior album to Different Gear, Still Speeding, I can understand Liam's recent comments that it lacks balls. Liam, at his best, gives us that in spades! His vocal gift is his immediacy, power and raw emotion- it provides a soaring adrenalin rush that Noel can never match. Liam needs the others to give him a better conduit in which to channel his pipes.
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Post by Headmaster on Mar 13, 2012 20:12:08 GMT -5
I would like to hear them playing live Keep the Dream Alive, Soldier On, Thank You For The Good Times... you know, Oasis LAG songs.
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Post by disconnected1976 on Mar 14, 2012 3:05:44 GMT -5
Perhaps Liam should have written it then. Noel's acoustic Supersonic is great. I like that Beady Eye are only playing their songs. I liked how Liam said they would never play Oasis songs. now a year later, shitty album sales and so-so touring sales...Liam is willing to throw Oasis songs into the mix. Something tells me that wouldn't be the case if DGSS had similar success to HFB. Just my opinion. Tell that to Elvis or some of the other entertainers. His acoustic version is acceptable I suppose but it doesn't improve on how its been done before. Not playing any Oasis songs was clearly the right move for the first tour but its a bit stupid to think that Liam would never do any of those songs again regardless of Beady Eye's success, considering his feeling for Oasis. I'd like to know what is intrinsically wrong with Beady Eye playing Oasis songs? Noel understands Liam might want to do them and doesn't mind if he does. Liam was lead singer and original member of Oasis. The people who really seemed miffed about this frankly are Noel fans who think the Beady Eye album is average. Which beg's the question ~ why are you in hear talking about their setlist? It's not right or wrong, it would just be disappointing because I just loved the fact that they didn't, they just stepped up with their new songs, which are all good except a couple of duds, they did really good gigs, at least the Paris one was, and there wasn't a single moment in that gig when I thought "damn I'd fancy Supersonic right now". That's not what I came to hear, I came to hear Beady Eye, playing their record, because I like their record. And I can't see why it should change, next time around I want them to play their new tunes. With Noel it's different because he's Noel Gallagher, coming in as Noel Gallagher. But Beady Eye, I wish they did more of their own stuff.
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Post by jakob61907 on Mar 14, 2012 4:09:56 GMT -5
Everyone should shutup about all this and just wait and see what they're going to do. And then hear there opinions. We don't actually know what they're thinking so all this bickering should end
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Post by disconnected1976 on Mar 14, 2012 6:47:15 GMT -5
Well we know what they're thinking, they said they WILL do Oasis songs. So that's a given I guess... But it's Ok really, it's their right...
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