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Post by thuperthonic on Mar 7, 2012 2:13:10 GMT -5
Liam is so deluded it's incredible.
I mean that with love, by the way.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 7, 2012 10:14:41 GMT -5
Liam has backed himself into a corner on this one, without any help from Noel. Playing Oasis songs on the next tour is going to seem like an admission that they NEED them, fair or not. Having said that, I'm all for 4-5 Oasis tunes. The setlist will be much much improved. Can banish SOTEOTN, WUD, FA, KFAD, BAS forever. If they add LAG Oasis songs I'm cool with that. Songs like the ones listed below would spice things up a little: - Songbird - Turn Up The Sun - Eyeball Tickler - Boy With The Blues Playing songs like Rock n Roll Star, Cigarettes & Alcohol and Champagne Supernova would be lame as hell. |
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Post by truefaith on Mar 7, 2012 11:39:38 GMT -5
Liam has backed himself into a corner on this one, without any help from Noel. Playing Oasis songs on the next tour is going to seem like an admission that they NEED them, fair or not. Having said that, I'm all for 4-5 Oasis tunes. The setlist will be much much improved. Can banish SOTEOTN, WUD, FA, KFAD, BAS forever. If they add LAG Oasis songs I'm cool with that. Songs like the ones listed below would spice things up a little: - Songbird - Turn Up The Sun - Eyeball Tickler - Boy With The Blues Playing songs like Rock n Roll Star, Cigarettes & Alcohol and Champagne Supernova would be lame as hell. But why? Because Liam said so 1 year ago. He changes his mind every two days. Noel doesn't seem to care if Liam does since he calls those songs "liam's songs" in itw. I'll just be very happy if he plays one of those and a songbird, and a TUTS. I don't think I'll be asking myself if it's wrong to see Oasis singer singing an Oasis song. I'll be to happy enjoying it like I'm enjoying Oasis songs at Noel's gig, even the ones Liam sang.  |
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Post by gdforever on Mar 7, 2012 12:38:45 GMT -5
If they add LAG Oasis songs I'm cool with that. Songs like the ones listed below would spice things up a little: - Songbird - Turn Up The Sun - Eyeball Tickler - Boy With The Blues Playing songs like Rock n Roll Star, Cigarettes & Alcohol and Champagne Supernova would be lame as hell. But why? Because Liam said so 1 year ago. He changes his mind every two days. Noel doesn't seem to care if Liam does since he calls those songs "liam's songs" in itw. Because not everyone bases their opinions on the opinions of Liam and Noel. I personally would have preferred Noel not played Oasis tune either and NEITHER Liam or Noel had a problem with him including them. And the fact is when Noel sings Supersonic live THAT performance has nothing do with Liam. Noel isn't using Liam input (voice) into that song. And if people enjoy THAT performance it has nothing to do with Liam. If Liam were to perform Supersonic he will be using Noel's contribution to the song. BDI are using Noel's lyrics, melody, arrangement. That is why it might be seen as a bit pathetic. Noel isn't bringing Liam's contributions to his show to boost it...he is bringing his own contributions to Oasis into his show. Liam can't bring JUST his contributions to Oasis into a BDI show in the same way Noel is unless he is just singing LAG songs. |
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Post by truefaith on Mar 7, 2012 12:47:39 GMT -5
But why? Because Liam said so 1 year ago. He changes his mind every two days. Noel doesn't seem to care if Liam does since he calls those songs "liam's songs" in itw. Because not everyone bases their opinions on the opinions of Liam and Noel. I personally would have preferred Noel not played Oasis tune either and NEITHER Liam or Noel had a problem with him including them. And the fact is when Noel sings Supersonic live THAT performance has nothing do with Liam. Noel isn't using Liam input (voice) into that song. And if people enjoy THAT performance it has nothing to do with Liam. If Liam were to perform Supersonic he will be using Noel's contribution to the song. BDI are using Noel's lyrics, melody, arrangement. That is why it might be seen as a bit pathetic. Noel isn't bringing Liam's contributions to his show to boost it...he is bringing his own contributions to Oasis into his show. Liam can't bring JUST his contributions to Oasis into a BDI show in the same way Noel is unless he is just singing LAG songs. But what's the problem with that? It's a song, Liam was singer on it, by singing it he brings his contribution doesn't he? When Morrissey sings Smith's song, he doesn't bring JUST his contribution as well, since he didn't wrote the music, he brings the lyrics and the vocals, that's enough for me. Liam brings the vocals, and considering how those were the spirit of the songs, that's weel enough for me If he was singing The Masterplan it would be wrong. But we're talking about song that were made for him, that their songwritter himself won't ever play because he thinks of them as Liam's song. It's not just a Noel song, it's an Oasis song, Liam was a huge part of Oasis. Why would he be not allowed to sing his former band tune, tunes that he sang for 18 years ? How can you not want Noel to play Oasis songs, aren't you a fan? How is it wrong for a singer of a band to sing songs from this band ? Some songs aren't just Noel's song, they are Oasis songs. Oasis was Liam and Noel. Oasis wasn't just Noel. And Liam wrote Columbia's chorus? Is it alright to play it in your book? |
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Post by Rolo on Mar 7, 2012 12:56:17 GMT -5
The way I see it, Noel may have wrote the songs but Liam brought the songs alive, without Liam the songs wouldn't of been no where near as big as they are today, it was his voice and his uniqueness what made them special. At the end of the day, the way I look at it is yes, they may be Noel's songs but in a way they are just as much Liam's as he took them to the next level and I see no problem with Beady Eye performing them.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 7, 2012 12:57:02 GMT -5
Because not everyone bases their opinions on the opinions of Liam and Noel. I personally would have preferred Noel not played Oasis tune either and NEITHER Liam or Noel had a problem with him including them. And the fact is when Noel sings Supersonic live THAT performance has nothing do with Liam. Noel isn't using Liam input (voice) into that song. And if people enjoy THAT performance it has nothing to do with Liam. If Liam were to perform Supersonic he will be using Noel's contribution to the song. BDI are using Noel's lyrics, melody, arrangement. That is why it might be seen as a bit pathetic. Noel isn't bringing Liam's contributions to his show to boost it...he is bringing his own contributions to Oasis into his show. Liam can't bring JUST his contributions to Oasis into a BDI show in the same way Noel is unless he is just singing LAG songs. But what's the problem with that? It's a song, Liam was singer on it, by singing it he brings his contribution doesn't he? When Morrissey sings Smith's song, he doesn't bring JUST his contribution as well, since he didn't wrote the music, he brings the lyrics and the vocals, that's enough for me. Liam brings the vocals, and considering how those were the spirit of the songs, that's weel enough for me If he was singing The Masterplan it would be wrong. But we're talking about song that were made for him, that their songwritter himself won't ever play because he thinks of them as Liam's song. It's not just a Noel song, it's an Oasis song, Liam was a huge part of Oasis. Why would he be not allowed to sing his former band tune, tunes that he sang for 18 years ? How can you not want Noel to play Oasis songs, aren't you a fan? How is it wrong for a singer of a band to sing songs from this band ? Some songs aren't just Noel's song, they are Oasis songs. Oasis was Liam and Noel. Oasis wasn't just Noel. And Liam wrote Columbia's chorus? Is it alright to play it in your book? Beady Eye playing Noel Oasis songs just doesn't sit well with me in my opinion. Yes Liam sang those songs but everyone else in his band was somewhere else when those songs were written, recorded and performed when Oasis was taking the world by storm. Andy Bell had a hell of a career in Ride. He doesn't need to be playing any of Noel's songs in concert especially since Noel has been ripping on Andy since his press conference last July. The key to Beady Eye's future success relies on writing better songs. This applies to concert performances as well. Bringing Noel songs into their concert experience is not going to help them at all. It is going to open up a can of worms with the press. Beady Eye doesn't need negative press. |
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Post by truefaith on Mar 7, 2012 13:04:25 GMT -5
I thing the main problem on that is people's perception. When I think of Champagne supernova, I see it as an Oasis song. A song that belong as much as Liam as Noel. A song that could have been nothing without each other.
So I have no problem wth BDI playing it because for me it's just Liam playing one of his song, an Oasis song.
But if you just see it as Noel's song, then I see where is your problem in it.
But at the end of the day, if you are at a BDI gig, and the first chord of C&A start, would you leave the gig thinking it's wrong, or would you just enjoy a singer singing his band song ?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 7, 2012 13:28:42 GMT -5
I thing the main problem on that is people's perception. When I think of Champagne supernova, I see it as an Oasis song. A song that belong as much as Liam as Noel. A song that could have been nothing without each other. So I have no problem wth BDI playing it because for me it's just Liam playing one of his song, an Oasis song. But if you just see it as Noel's song, then I see where is your problem in it. But at the end of the day, if you are at a BDI gig, and the first chord of C&A start, would you leave the gig thinking it's wrong, or would you just enjoy a singer singing his band song ? I wouldn't leave the gig, that would be stupid. I would just be disappointed. I have so much respect for Beady Eye for not playing any Oasis songs. I want to hear more of their own material and want the band to continue to develop. I would be ok if they played LAG Oasis songs but I do not think they need to do it. This band has more to offer. I hope they deliver on it. |
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Post by RocketMan on Mar 7, 2012 13:38:12 GMT -5
if they play rnr star, c&a or live forever i would go and see them
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 7, 2012 13:42:26 GMT -5
if they play rnr star, c&a or live forever i would go and see them I've seen them 3 times and they didn't perform any of those songs. First two gigs were fantastic (Letterman, Webster Hall). Terminal 5 left a lot to be desired. Touring caught up to Liam's voice. They don't need Noel Oasis songs. They need better, more advanced Beady Eye songs. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 7, 2012 14:11:17 GMT -5
Ultimately no great number of people willing to pay the money to see Beady Eye are going to give a shit. Who cares that Liam changed his mind if it improves the show they put on for there fans. A few Oasis songs will be welcome whether they are LAG written or Noel written.
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Post by gdforever on Mar 7, 2012 14:19:33 GMT -5
Because not everyone bases their opinions on the opinions of Liam and Noel. I personally would have preferred Noel not played Oasis tune either and NEITHER Liam or Noel had a problem with him including them. And the fact is when Noel sings Supersonic live THAT performance has nothing do with Liam. Noel isn't using Liam input (voice) into that song. And if people enjoy THAT performance it has nothing to do with Liam. If Liam were to perform Supersonic he will be using Noel's contribution to the song. BDI are using Noel's lyrics, melody, arrangement. That is why it might be seen as a bit pathetic. Noel isn't bringing Liam's contributions to his show to boost it...he is bringing his own contributions to Oasis into his show. Liam can't bring JUST his contributions to Oasis into a BDI show in the same way Noel is unless he is just singing LAG songs. But what's the problem with that? It's a song, Liam was singer on it, by singing it he brings his contribution doesn't he? When Morrissey sings Smith's song, he doesn't bring JUST his contribution as well, since he didn't wrote the music, he brings the lyrics and the vocals, that's enough for me. Liam brings the vocals, and considering how those were the spirit of the songs, that's weel enough for me If he was singing The Masterplan it would be wrong. But we're talking about song that were made for him, that their songwritter himself won't ever play because he thinks of them as Liam's song. It's not just a Noel song, it's an Oasis song, Liam was a huge part of Oasis. Why would he be not allowed to sing his former band tune, tunes that he sang for 18 years ? How can you not want Noel to play Oasis songs, aren't you a fan? How is it wrong for a singer of a band to sing songs from this band ? Some songs aren't just Noel's song, they are Oasis songs. Oasis was Liam and Noel. Oasis wasn't just Noel. And Liam wrote Columbia's chorus? Is it alright to play it in your book? Read the post, dear. JUST his contributions. Noel is bringing NOTHING that Liam contributed to the HFB shows. And I still wish he had held off. Liam can't bring NOTHING of Noel's contribution as long as he is singing the songs Noel wrote. What does Moz have to do with anything? A) His solo success was comparable with that of The Smiths B) he didn't start performing Smiths songs until 1995...8 years after his solo debut...so I don't know what exactly you are trying to prove by bringing him up... I just think it'll be a shame if they enter into the nostagia territory of selling more tickets than they sell albums. Oasis were pretty close if not actually over that line towards the end off the DOYS in the UK and well over the line everywhere else in the world I thought that BDI's initial attitude of keeping themselves separate from Oasis and making it off their own success before introducing the Oasis tunes into the concert was admirable. I think it's a bit sad that they have changed their mind...since it obviously isn't because the album and tour were more successful than they had expected. And I am a fan of Noel...but not just for nostalgic reasons. I would have loved to have heard everything that he has released so far solo and I would have been OK to wait a couple tours to hear DLBIA. I'm not saying they should never do it. And if their album had preformed like Noel's in the UK I would say they would have been fully justified in feeling that they had proved themselves earlier than they had expected. But that isn't the case unfortunately. |
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Post by Bittersweet Split on Mar 7, 2012 15:01:22 GMT -5
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Post by thuperthonic on Mar 7, 2012 15:10:15 GMT -5
lol
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Post by Rolo on Mar 7, 2012 15:46:33 GMT -5
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Post by headshrinker84 on Mar 7, 2012 20:10:50 GMT -5
You can't be much of a fan of Oasis if you seen BDI and they played say Rock n roll star and you didn't go nuts and started moaning about it.
Some people need to get off their high horse about this, Both Liam and Noel are perfectly allowed to play Oasis song's. They both made what was great about Oasis.
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Post by spaneli on Mar 8, 2012 0:01:30 GMT -5
Yeah, I've got no problem with either of them playing Oasis stuff. It made sense for BDI not to play Oasis stuff at first because they were trying to prove themselves (some may say that they still are trying to prove themselves). People always give them props for not playing Oasis songs on their first time out, when in reality they really not no choice but not to play Oasis songs. So I get the decision process behind them not playing Oasis songs on that first tour. They really could not afford the narratives that would run from that. Noel obviously didn't have as much to prove, so he's using his Oasis tracks from the beginning. I really don't have a problem with this. It's his set-list and his songs. He was never really going to be hounded by the press or causal fans for playing Oasis songs. That is to say that it would not have resulted in a negative impact. It also helped that his solo album has done amazingly well in the UK. The success of his album gives him more cover to play Oasis songs. If DGSS had succeeded as well as HFB has succeeded in UK, then I think the negative connotations of say Beady Eye using Oasis song on their first time out, would have been lowered. In the end, it's their set-list, their shows, their careers. Whether Liam sings Noel written songs or his own/LAG, doesn't matter to me (it matter to some and I can see where people say that them playing Noel written songs would seem weak, but it doesn't really matter imo). Same as with Noel performing Oasis songs on his first time out (some have also seen this as a sign of weakness. Again, I really don't care.  ). As of now, the only thing that should matter to Beady and Noel (and possibly fans of both) are what songs they produce from their current records. The quality of the next Beady Eye or Noel record matter much more to me than what Oasis songs they play and the intended/unintended motives or consequences behind it. |
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Post by spaneli on Mar 8, 2012 0:14:19 GMT -5
Some people need to get off their high horse about this, Both Liam and Noel are perfectly allowed to play Oasis song's. They both made what was great about Oasis. Yeah, basically. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2012 0:53:39 GMT -5
I would have no problem if they play Turn Up the Sun or something like that. But playing Noel penned tunes would break the initial purpose of starting a new band, which is different from High Flying Birds. High Flying Birds is Noel Gallagher and his session musicians, not a band.
And second, as someone else has mentioned, they really don't need bad press anymore. If their second album isn't better than this one and they play Rock'N'rol Star and its likes, they are likely to be slated even more. Other than selling more tickets, playing Noel penned tunes won't do much for them.
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Post by Elias on Mar 8, 2012 10:46:12 GMT -5
For me the comparisons with Elvis and even Morrissey just don't wash. It's different bringing songs with you from the past when you're in a new band than it is when you're going solo. I'm sorry, but it just is.
Beady Eye had the option to carry on as Oasis, Noel left not them. Instead they took the brave decision to return under a new banner, and left Oasis, songs, status and all, behind. For me to go back on that path now and start playing anything other than Beady Eye songs would be a huge mistake, especially if they pilfer Noel's tunes.
Yes High Flying Birds is a new venture of sorts, but essentially Noel Gallagher left Oasis and has returned on his own, as a solo artist, and is entitled to delve into his own back catalogue however he pleases to. I don't necessarily agree with the choice or amount of Oasis songs which he's chosen to play, but to me it is his choice as a man on his own to do that.
If Beady Eye come back with a second album to promote and start playing Live Forever et al, I really do think it would be career suicide for them. They made the right decision first time around, and gained plenty of respect for it. I hope they remember that.
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Post by spaneli on Mar 8, 2012 11:02:42 GMT -5
For me the comparisons with Elvis and even Morrissey just don't wash. It's different bringing songs with you from the past when you're in a new band than it is when you're going solo. I'm sorry, but it just is. Beady Eye had the option to carry on as Oasis, Noel left not them. Instead they took the brave decision to return under a new banner, and left Oasis, songs, status and all, behind. For me to go back on that path now and start playing anything other than Beady Eye songs would be a huge mistake, especially if they pilfer Noel's tunes. Yes High Flying Birds is a new venture of sorts, but essentially Noel Gallagher left Oasis and has returned on his own, as a solo artist, and is entitled to delve into his own back catalogue however he pleases to. I don't necessarily agree with the choice or amount of Oasis songs which he's chosen to play, but to me it is his choice as a man on his own to do that.If Beady Eye come back with a second album to promote and start playing Live Forever et al, I really do think it would be career suicide for them. They made the right decision first time around, and gained plenty of respect for it. I hope they remember that. I would definitely agree with this section. I'm still switching between whether BDI should play Noel written songs or not. As of now, I'm still thinking that it's obviously their career and set-list and that's really it. But obviously there would be risk and complications from them playing Noel written stuff. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 8, 2012 13:59:01 GMT -5
For me the comparisons with Elvis and even Morrissey just don't wash. It's different bringing songs with you from the past when you're in a new band than it is when you're going solo. I'm sorry, but it just is. Beady Eye had the option to carry on as Oasis, Noel left not them. Instead they took the brave decision to return under a new banner, and left Oasis, songs, status and all, behind. For me to go back on that path now and start playing anything other than Beady Eye songs would be a huge mistake, especially if they pilfer Noel's tunes. Yes High Flying Birds is a new venture of sorts, but essentially Noel Gallagher left Oasis and has returned on his own, as a solo artist, and is entitled to delve into his own back catalogue however he pleases to. I don't necessarily agree with the choice or amount of Oasis songs which he's chosen to play, but to me it is his choice as a man on his own to do that. If Beady Eye come back with a second album to promote and start playing Live Forever et al, I really do think it would be career suicide for them. They made the right decision first time around, and gained plenty of respect for it. I hope they remember that. I fail to see how it will affect them at all. Career suicide? Lets just say the next album is good, what difference would a couple of Oasis songs make? And I find it increasingly strange that people are so worried about journalists and media people targeting them for it. Liam is nearly 40, the big singles and high profiles are behind them and they are no longer chasing careers. Putting out the best albums they can and playing it to the people would appear to be the most important things. 2 or 3 Oasis tunes in a setlist, change any of that? I don't think so. |
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Post by jordan71421 on Mar 8, 2012 14:09:46 GMT -5
seriously who cares
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Post by The Inner Light on Mar 8, 2012 15:11:16 GMT -5
Elvis didn't write his songs.
They're still his fucking songs.
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