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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2011 20:58:01 GMT -5
Liam can sing them, but wouldn't he feel a bit silly? Why not just stick to the LAG songs? 5-6 are defintely good enough to make the live set significantly better. well for one, he made those songs famous, they're identified with his voice, they were released by his band, and they're classics in huge part because of him(obviously also because of Noel since he wrote them). So no, he's not gonna feel "silly" by singing them, nor should he. It's true that he made all the classics famous. I don't think the problem is "he has/doen't have the right" to play those songs, the problem is BDI is a new band, they have to prove they can write some good tunes themselves, after 10 years under control of the control freak Noel Gallagher. Liam made all the classics famous, it proved that he is a good frontman of a band, and he doesn't need to prove it anymore. Right now, the problem is "write some good tunes", not "sing the song well". I like Turn Up the Sun, I voted it for the best opener (no, I didn't vote for Rock'N'Roll Star ) in a "best Oasis opener" poll. They should open the gig with that one on the next tour.
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Post by ToneBender on Dec 16, 2011 20:59:56 GMT -5
I'd like to hear "A Bell Will Ring", "Songbird" and "The Nature Of Reality" (I'd like them to drag this one out to a long jam). To be honest though, I think by the time Album 2 comes around, they won't need any Oasis songs. I think what was lacking from the early Beady Eye shows at the beginning of the tour was familiarity. I used to feel that way about a lot of the new tracks Oasis would play at the beginning of each of their tours. They just happened to be buoyed by another 10 songs they'd already been playing for X amount of years. By the time I was on my third Beady Eye show I felt like I'd been listening to the songs my whole life and the show took on a much different life for me.
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Post by Silence Dogood on Dec 16, 2011 21:29:56 GMT -5
well for one, he made those songs famous, they're identified with his voice, they were released by his band, and they're classics in huge part because of him(obviously also because of Noel since he wrote them). So no, he's not gonna feel "silly" by singing them, nor should he. It's true that he made all the classics famous. I don't think the problem is "he has/doen't have the right" to play those songs, the problem is BDI is a new band, they have to prove they can write some good tunes themselves, after 10 years under control of the control freak Noel Gallagher. Liam made all the classics famous, it proved that he is a good frontman of a band, and he doesn't need to prove it anymore. Right now, the problem is "write some good tunes", not "sing the song well". I like Turn Up the Sun, I voted it for the best opener (no, I didn't vote for Rock'N'Roll Star ) in a "best Oasis opener" poll. They should open the gig with that one on the next tour. certainly LAG have produced some brilliant songs, my personal favorite being KTDA. They have enough good tunes of their own if the wanted to go that route. Just to name a few: IOT, TYFTGT, KTDA, SB, and as you mentioned, one of the best Oasis openers ever TUTS. So i don't understand this idea of "they need to prove they can write good tunes" imo that's a bit contradictory on your part. Plus, they've had some great songs with BDI(TMS, 4LW). So what are we talking about here? Liam doesn't need to prove a thing imo, he's an accomplished songwriter, as good as Noel? no but he can hold his own, and LAG as a group have certainly held their own as songwriters. Like you pointed out yourself, he has the right to play those songs, so he can(and will) play them if he pleases. LAG and Liam in particular have nothing to prove. Noel on the other had a bit more to deal with, having never been a frontman and whatnot. People are still debating now whether he has the goods as a solo live performer,even when singing Oasis tunes(like Supersonic, not the ones he made famous obviously)
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Post by allah on Dec 16, 2011 22:05:55 GMT -5
They will sound like what Beady Eye have sounded like for the last 12 months except they will be playing oasis songs
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Post by youandmegirl on Dec 17, 2011 10:06:47 GMT -5
Liam can sing them, but wouldn't he feel a bit silly? Why not just stick to the LAG songs? 5-6 are defintely good enough to make the live set significantly better. "LAG"...what is that?
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Post by Silence Dogood on Dec 17, 2011 10:25:46 GMT -5
Liam can sing them, but wouldn't he feel a bit silly? Why not just stick to the LAG songs? 5-6 are defintely good enough to make the live set significantly better. "LAG"...what is that? Liam-Andy-Gem. btw what is that 99 % thing under your name mean?
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Post by youandmegirl on Dec 17, 2011 10:28:46 GMT -5
Liam-Andy-Gem. btw what is that 99 % thing under your name mean? I dunno, I might fuckin' spontaneously combust at any moment I reckon.
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Post by gdforever on Dec 17, 2011 22:03:57 GMT -5
well for one, he made those songs famous, they're identified with his voice, they were released by his band, and they're classics in huge part because of him(obviously also because of Noel since he wrote them). So no, he's not gonna feel "silly" by singing them, nor should he. It's true that he made all the classics famous. I don't think the problem is "he has/doen't have the right" to play those songs, the problem is BDI is a new band, they have to prove they can write some good tunes themselves, after 10 years under control of the control freak Noel Gallagher. Liam made all the classics famous, it proved that he is a good frontman of a band, and he doesn't need to prove it anymore. Right now, the problem is "write some good tunes", not "sing the song well". I like Turn Up the Sun, I voted it for the best opener (no, I didn't vote for Rock'N'Roll Star ) in a "best Oasis opener" poll. They should open the gig with that one on the next tour. I think it'd be unfortunate for them to open up with anything but FLW. I think it's a better opener than TUTS and it deserves that place of recognition. It'd a pity to toss it over for an Oasis song...even one that one of BDI wrote. I still can't believe that Noel opens with TWO Oasis songs. Big mistake IMO...even if they are lesser known Oasis tunes. I wish that they wouldn't play any Oasis songs, period. I don't think that Noel should have either. And just because Noel is doing it doesn't mean that I am going to flip flop on my opinion about BDI.
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Post by ToneBender on Dec 18, 2011 1:11:31 GMT -5
It's true that he made all the classics famous. I don't think the problem is "he has/doen't have the right" to play those songs, the problem is BDI is a new band, they have to prove they can write some good tunes themselves, after 10 years under control of the control freak Noel Gallagher. Liam made all the classics famous, it proved that he is a good frontman of a band, and he doesn't need to prove it anymore. Right now, the problem is "write some good tunes", not "sing the song well". I like Turn Up the Sun, I voted it for the best opener (no, I didn't vote for Rock'N'Roll Star ) in a "best Oasis opener" poll. They should open the gig with that one on the next tour. I think it'd be unfortunate for them to open up with anything but FLW. I think it's a better opener than TUTS and it deserves that place of recognition. It'd a pity to toss it over for an Oasis song...even one that one of BDI wrote. I still can't believe that Noel opens with TWO Oasis songs. Big mistake IMO...even if they are lesser known Oasis tunes. I wish that they wouldn't play any Oasis songs, period. I don't think that Noel should have either. And just because Noel is doing it doesn't mean that I am going to flip flop on my opinion about BDI. It does seem needless, doesn't it? Both groups have enough material of their own. TBH, I'd like to see them stretch out the songs a bit more. I'd love to hear how Beady Eye could stretch out some of the slow burners in a live setting (Morning Son, Wigwam, Kill For A Dream). The musicianship seems like it goes to waste sometimes.... I know we don't really have much point of reference w/ Heavy Stereo, but what type of show did Ride put on? Were the songs performed note for note like the record or did they stray at all?
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Post by yeayeayeah on Dec 18, 2011 1:33:20 GMT -5
I would quite like to hear BWTBlues live, such as good song and it was wasted on a stupid bonus disc.
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Post by howsoonisnow on Dec 18, 2011 6:58:47 GMT -5
Us Oasis fans. Noel : Oasis songwritter, Liam : Oasis singer.
Noel playing Oasis' songs : Oasis fan happy.
Liam playing Oasis songs : Oasis fans happy.
It should really be as simple as that, they both have right to play those songs, we should be glad they both do. Wanting to hear more Beatles and Stone or SOTEOTN better than Supersonic or Rockn roll star is weird.
It's obvisous it's gonna be one maybe two Noel's song top, it really doesn't matter, the rest of the gig gonna be BDI or LAG. Liam was the singer of Oasis if he wants to sing some song he made famous, what's the big deal ? We will all have better gigs, that's the only consequence.
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Post by drteter on Dec 19, 2011 11:09:05 GMT -5
I'd imagine they'll play one or two Noel-penned tracks since those are generally more recognizable. It'd be great to see them open with 4LW and then jump right into TUTS, though. The crowd would go nuts.
If they pick one or two Noel-written songs to put in the set, which would they pick? I'm guessing Live Forever and/or Morning Glory, although Noel's backing vocals would be sorely missed on both.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 19, 2011 14:41:21 GMT -5
I'd imagine they'll play one or two Noel-penned tracks since those are generally more recognizable. It'd be great to see them open with 4LW and then jump right into TUTS, though. The crowd would go nuts. If they pick one or two Noel-written songs to put in the set, which would they pick? I'm guessing Live Forever and/or Morning Glory, although Noel's backing vocals would be sorely missed on both. I have a feeling Beady Eye will play 'Rock n Roll Star' and "Cigarettes & Alcohol". I'm stone cold against them playing Noel songs. Stick to LAG Oasis or write better Beady Eye tunes!!! They are better than having to play Noel's songs to spice up their gigs. Beady Eye have plenty of talent to impress the fans who come. Do it.
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Post by drteter on Dec 19, 2011 18:44:21 GMT -5
I'd imagine they'll play one or two Noel-penned tracks since those are generally more recognizable. It'd be great to see them open with 4LW and then jump right into TUTS, though. The crowd would go nuts. If they pick one or two Noel-written songs to put in the set, which would they pick? I'm guessing Live Forever and/or Morning Glory, although Noel's backing vocals would be sorely missed on both. I have a feeling Beady Eye will play 'Rock n Roll Star' and "Cigarettes & Alcohol". I'm stone cold against them playing Noel songs. Stick to LAG Oasis or write better Beady Eye tunes!!! They are better than having to play Noel's songs to spice up their gigs. Beady Eye have plenty of talent to impress the fans who come. Do it. Ultimately, I think it comes down to the quality of their second album. If it's massive, they might feel less pressure to play Noel-written songs. If it's the same in quality as the first album (good, but in my opinion not fantastic) then maybe they should play a couple of Noel-penned songs to boost interest in their second tour.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 19, 2011 19:17:10 GMT -5
I have a feeling Beady Eye will play 'Rock n Roll Star' and "Cigarettes & Alcohol". I'm stone cold against them playing Noel songs. Stick to LAG Oasis or write better Beady Eye tunes!!! They are better than having to play Noel's songs to spice up their gigs. Beady Eye have plenty of talent to impress the fans who come. Do it. Ultimately, I think it comes down to the quality of their second album. If it's massive, they might feel less pressure to play Noel-written songs. If it's the same in quality as the first album (good, but in my opinion not fantastic) then maybe they should play a couple of Noel-penned songs to boost interest in their second tour. A so-so second album combined with performing Noel written Oasis tunes at concerts will be Beady Eye's death march. Here is hoping for a blinding sophomore album.
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Post by space75gr on Dec 20, 2011 8:15:04 GMT -5
How good will BDI sound playing Oasis songs?
as good as oasis playing oasis songs and if Liam continue singing that good, these tunes are gonna sound even better than oasis playin oasis tunes ... if you know what i mean.
to tell you the truth i dont care if they play any oasis tune!i prefer to hear fresh new stuff by them
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Post by SunshineLullaby on Dec 23, 2011 13:09:16 GMT -5
It would sound ridiculous, sorry...playing songs you didn't write... Honestly, I think Noel' backing vocals will be missed a lot. yeah, tell that to fans of Elvis or Michael Jackson or Elton John or Sinatra... come on dude... Michael Jackson wrote songs. Elton co-wrote everything: he wrote all the music and every melody. And that's a different situation with the other two, seeing as they're solo artists and Liam is not. He's in a new band, which is completely different.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 23, 2011 15:04:01 GMT -5
yeah, tell that to fans of Elvis or Michael Jackson or Elton John or Sinatra... come on dude... Michael Jackson wrote songs. Elton co-wrote everything: he wrote all the music and every melody. And that's a different situation with the other two, seeing as they're solo artists and Liam is not. He's in a new band, which is completely different. Why does it matter that they were solo artists? Especially when you consider Liam has a big connection to those songs.
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Post by spaneli on Dec 23, 2011 15:34:41 GMT -5
Michael Jackson wrote songs. Elton co-wrote everything: he wrote all the music and every melody. And that's a different situation with the other two, seeing as they're solo artists and Liam is not. He's in a new band, which is completely different. Why does it matter that they were solo artists? Especially when you consider Liam has a big connection to those songs. This is actually pretty interesting because Beady Eye are in a kind of grey area. Most beginning bands do play covers. And that's usually because covers are a great way to get your name out there and help people become more familiar with your work. As you go on in your career though, you should be doing less and less covers. Beady Eye are sort of in a grey area because they are technically a new unknown band, yet they're not really new in a sense. And the fact that they use to be in another band and are performing songs that weren't written by them makes it seem even more out of place. It's the equivalent of Bono leaving U2, starting a whole new band for the purpose of recording and touring, yet still playing Sunday Bloody Sunday (a song that the Edge wrote). It just seems weird. But for some random reason or another, if Bono became a solo artist and wanted to include Sunday Bloody Sunday in a set, it wouldn't seem as out of place. I think it basically comes down to what a band is suppose to be. A band just isn't a group of musicians, but also a group of songwriters (or one or two songwriters). And they're pretty much expected to write their own music (same as if Bono were a new band of his own). A solo artists doesn't have that same expectation. It's kind of an added bonus if a solo artist can write on their own. So when Beady Eye go up on a stage and play even two songs that weren't by them, but by someone else from their old band, it just seems weirder. Especially when considering that not really a "new" band who absolutely need to play covers not written by them. That's the best I can explain it. Though it wasn't a very good explanation.
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Post by sawdustrings on Dec 23, 2011 21:08:57 GMT -5
They shouldn't play any Oasis song or at least any Noel penned ones until they've patched out their problems.
It would be very weird to see Liam slagging off his brother then after a few seconds go on sings Supersonic.
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Post by mememe26 on Dec 26, 2011 13:03:05 GMT -5
I'll be embaressed for Beady Eye when they start playin' songs Noel wrote! If they had as much belief in themselves as they claim, they'd stay clear of Oasis songs. Think it's all becomin' clear that havin' the high hopes they had for Beady Eye ain't gonna be reached easily if at all.
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Post by LlAM on Dec 28, 2011 5:11:47 GMT -5
Beady Eye's sound is too thin for the big Oasis anthems. Songbird and perhaps Love Like A Bomb would probably fit in but anything else would just sound embarrassing with their current setup.
Anyhow, they'd come across as a poor mans Oasis tribute band if they play Noels Oasis songs.
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Post by nev on Dec 28, 2011 7:48:13 GMT -5
so long as they give standing on the edge of the noise the ole heave ho, I'll be happy, they also need to liven it up, a set of mostly ballads is OK but can be abit tedius, hopefully the second album will have more rocky tunes so that they don't have to resort to playing oasis songs.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2011 7:59:38 GMT -5
I wouldn't have had too much of a problem with them playing them in the first place, but now it's just sad. They've failed (not musically, imo, but commercially) so they're desperately raiding the Oasis archive.
(that's all based on the assumption they play Noel's songs, btw. I've got no issue with them bringing out their own Oasis songs)
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 28, 2011 11:01:26 GMT -5
Beady Eye desperately need to write a fresh, catchy single. It would be nice to see a little more legs out of their releases. I would really like them to work with Danger Mouse on their next record. He's made the Black Keys sound amazing over the last few releases and I think it would really enhance what Beady Eye bring to the table. The guy can flat out produce and is young where as Lillywhite is from an older producing generation. Not to say he did a bad job, I think he did a solid effort but this time I want it to be shaken up a little more. Also, playing Noel songs in the future is a very very bad idea for Beady Eye.
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